Tony Dore/Lance Williams

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Why don't you combine these two records seeing it was one and the same person?

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

Really interesting story behind this.

[Scottrf]

Really interesting story behind this.

Go on then?

I think the request needs to be made in 'Record Queries and Updates'?

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Really interesting story behind this.

Go on then?

I think the request needs to be made in 'Record Queries and Updates'?

No, because this is a 'British and Irish' forum topic and it should be here where people who know
more about the story behind can have their say instead of it being hidden away in the 'record
queries and updates'

I will leave it to the folks who know more about it than I do or have better memories - it is over 20 years ago this story was
exposed by the News of the World (? I think...)

[bennie]

Paddy Byrne 'sussed' Williams, who was boxing as Tony Dore in Scotland tucked away from the Board boys who knew him.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Paddy Byrne 'sussed' Williams, who was boxing as Tony Dore in Scotland tucked away from the Board boys who knew him.

How did he get away with it though Bennie? On the two differing boxrec records are two different birthdates and birthplaces - also though older, he was two weight divisions lighter! Surely he would have had to have shown his birth certificate and passport to the board when being licensed?

[Arnie]

I no this story so does brian hughes

[Deserter]

Wasn't he a really good kickboxer in his time?

[Deno1986]

Wasn't he a really good kickboxer in his time?

Tony or Lance?


Just couldn't resist it. Cracked meself up typing it.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

I no this story so does brian hughes

Come on Anthony! Spill the beans on this one!

[Jeff Thomas]

bit intriguing this one.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Wasn't he a really good kickboxer in his time?

Tony or Lance?


Just couldn't resist it. Cracked meself up typing it.

Not as daft as you think come to think about it. So in the domestic circuit people would ask where he came from and how come they never saw him in the amateurs and 'Tony' would say he learnt his boxing through Kick boxing like Carl Thompson. Whereas Lance had a decent amateur pedigree in Manchester and turned over at 18. I remember it being a big splash in the News of the World.

[Totybear]

I saw him in kickboxing match in Barnsley civic hall around 1977/8. He fought under his real name of Lance Lewis and there was a real buzz about him at the time.

He was a British and European champ at around 17 (I think at lightweight, but I've slept since then so could be shaky).
A really classy, fluid mover and his style combined with kicking ability would have kept him at the top of his game there for years imho. The lure of the better paid pro boxing ranks was too much to resist I suppose.

Frankly I'm surprised that (after watching him) he didn't have more success, could have been the transition between disciplines I suppose or maybe he peaked much too early but the name of Buchanan on your resume should get you a pint in the company of any fight fan!

Incidentally also on the same Barnsley bill was Gunter Roomes, welterweight champ who at school had been a bully to Frank Bruno!

Finally just for trivia fans the show was promoted by TnT promotions, one "T" being Tony Christie whilst looking for a map to Amarillo.

[Old bones Ian]

Why did he box under 2 different names?

[bennie]

Why did he box under 2 different names?

Manchester's Lance Williams, a slick lightweight with quick hands and a sharp punch, looked like he was really going places in the early 1980s as he climbed off the floor to lick an ageing Ken Buchanan at Wembley. It was an impressive win and an impressive performance. However, he developed eye problems, shades of Gary Mason, and was sadly forced to bow out of the game.
In the late 1980s, a super-featherweight calling himself Tony Dore began making some noise out of Glasgow. He claimed he had been a kickboxer and a lot of kickboxers with no amateur experience were doing well around the same time (Carl Thompson, the Harrisons...) so Dore's obvious ability raised no real eyebrows. In fact, Tony Dore was really Lance Williams. Boxing matchmaker Paddy Byrne recognised Lance at a show and the ruse was over.

[Deserter]

Manchester's Lance Williams, a slick lightweight with quick hands and a sharp punch, looked like he was really going places in the early 1980s as he climbed off the floor to lick an ageing Ken Buchanan at Wembley. It was an impressive win and an impressive performance. However, he developed eye problems, shades of Gary Mason, and was sadly forced to bow out of the game.

Was that really the case Bennie? Going on his record alone he didn't look like he was going anywhere - he'd lost by KO to a novice a few fights before and was already in his 30s by the time he faced a Buchanan well past his prime.

[bennie]

Manchester's Lance Williams, a slick lightweight with quick hands and a sharp punch, looked like he was really going places in the early 1980s as he climbed off the floor to lick an ageing Ken Buchanan at Wembley. It was an impressive win and an impressive performance. However, he developed eye problems, shades of Gary Mason, and was sadly forced to bow out of the game.

Was that really the case Bennie? Going on his record alone he didn't look like he was going anywhere - he'd lost by KO to a novice a few fights before and was already in his 30s by the time he faced a Buchanan well past his prime.

The game was probably different, then. Williams was an excellent fighter who sidestepped no-one and really improved, much like a Najib Daho, or a Lloyd Christie. The Buchanan fight was hot, with Kenny showing glimpses of his old form but Williams staying with him and finishing particularly strongly to take the points. Kenny had put Williams down with three consecutive right hands, one after another - amazing - but Williams proved too fresh and nailed Kenny with several uppercuts in the last round. Williams was definitely going places, in my opinion.

By the way, I make him at just 21 when he was forced out.

[Deserter]

Was that really the case Bennie? Going on his record alone he didn't look like he was going anywhere - he'd lost by KO to a novice a few fights before and was already in his 30s by the time he faced a Buchanan well past his prime.

The game was probably different, then. Williams was an excellent fighter who sidestepped no-one and really improved, much like a Najib Daho, or a Lloyd Christie. The Buchanan fight was hot, with Kenny showing glimpses of his old form but Williams staying with him and finishing particularly strongly to take the points. Kenny had put Williams down with three consecutive right hands, one after another - amazing - but Williams proved too fresh and nailed Kenny with several uppercuts in the last round. Williams was definitely going places, in my opinion.

By the way, I make him at just 21 when he was forced out.

Cheers I was only going on his record on BoxRec, hence wanting to check it versus 'reality'.