Who is pound 4 pound best in amateur boxing & why

[derrick james]

It is just a question I have . I just want to see what everyone thinks. When you give your awnser you have to state why. Meaning if you put them in any of 3 weight classes they can go up or down . With the same skills ,the same size. how would they do? with the fighter in this 2012 Olympic group.

[T Duquette]

Lomonchenko from Ukrain. I wish I knew why. Id be doing what hes doing

[JMac]

Lomonchenko from Ukrain. I wish I knew why. Id be doing what hes doing

Agreed! He has great technique and knows what punches to throw from the correct range and great footwork which adds to good defense.

[derrick james]

what weight is he. sorry i mean American boxers

[DCAmateurBoxing]

what weight is he. sorry i mean American boxers

I say Louie Byrd because judging a boxing style is subjective, but there is nothing subjective about your accomplishments. So, to answer the "why" here is why:

2008, 2009, 2010 National Golden Gloves Champion
2008, 2009, 2010 US National Champion
2008 U.S. Future Stars National Championships Gold Medalist
2009 World Cup of Petroleum Countries Gold Medalist
2006 and 2007 National Junior Olympic Champion
2007 Aliyev Cup Gold Medalist

[derrick james]

it is not about titles he won. i spoke to Errol Spence and he said the same thing, but when i asked could he go up 2 or 3 weight classes. could he beat R.Warren then he changed his awnser .could he get in the ring with a 114,or 123lbs fighter and do well . that is pound for pound. he is the best 108 pounder i have seen in a long time (Erick Griffin.) could he be as dominant if he moved up?

[hbomb2]

When I think of P4P I consider as if the boxers in question are the same size. At this moment I would say Louie Byrd because of his tenacity and his ability and use of his legs that allow him to get to his target and take him out of punching range, as well as his ability to punch when least expected.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

it is not about titles he won. i spoke to Errol Spence and he said the same thing, but when i asked could he go up 2 or 3 weight classes. could he beat R.Warren then he changed his awnser .could he get in the ring with a 114,or 123lbs fighter and do well . that is pound for pound. he is the best 108 pounder i have seen in a long time (Erick Griffin.) could he be as dominant if he moved up?

Why does he have to move up weight classes when you asked about "pound for pound"? That really doesn't make any sense to me. I wouldn't expect your status to be affected by or dependent on whether you can move up or down in a weight class. If you dominate at a weight class, why would you move? If it's not about titles, you are making it 100% subjective. The only way you can quantify a boxer's success is through there accomplishments. In this case Louie's are at the JO level, US Open level and Intl Open level. The only thing left are the world titles (Pan Am, Worlds, Olympics).

If you take away their accomplishments, what are you basing your opinion on? What amateur boxers do you know of that had success (not really sure how you define success if you don't want to factor in titles in a pound-for-pound discussion) and then moved up 2 or 3 weight classes and had the same success?

BTW, I know that Louie can get in the ring with a 114-er and do well, but why should he if can hold 108? I could see if this was pro boxing where you have to chase the money, but you asked about amateur boxing.

[derrick james]

the question was not who is the best at there weight,or who has won more titles so that has everything to do with having the ability to move up or down and have the same success. pound for pound. same talent higher or lower weight. i didn't say he should move up the question or thought would be how would they do with heavier guys, pacman , floyd, shane, roy, bernard, marquez examples . all moved up that what pound for pound is not at the same weight. if they moved up how would they fare. even though we are talking about amateur boxing just a thought.

[Scottrf]

I don't think you are quite getting what pound for pound means. It's not whether you are able to compete in other weight classes, but the best boxer regardless of weight. If size wasn't a factor, who would be the best.

[palooka]

I don't think you are quite getting what pound for pound means. It's not whether you are able to compete in other weight classes, but the best boxer regardless of weight. If size wasn't a factor, who would be the best.

I agree; being the best p4p amateur boxer doesn't mean that the boxer can gain or shed weight better than others. It means (should mean) that a bantamweights achievements in their weight class are held to be the same as a welterweights or a heavyweights; longevity and the toughness of opposition has to be taken into account. Some of the top amateurs are near the top of their game for years (Kenny Egan from Ireland has been at the top 10 years); they have little interest in turning pro.

[champion]

whats the criteria for p 4 p in ama boxing?cuz byrd is bout unbeatable in us but cuz he throws tons of punches but that style wont translate into pro style kinda like luis yanez he was like unbeatable as a amatuer for years but he struggled against journeyman in his fights ??

[derrick james]

champion you are so right i saw yanez fight this friday and as a pro he is 0-5. they keep giving him decisions.good amateurs some times don't do well in the pro game.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

whats the criteria for p 4 p in ama boxing?cuz byrd is bout unbeatable in us but cuz he throws tons of punches but that style wont translate into pro style kinda like luis yanez he was like unbeatable as a amatuer for years but he struggled against journeyman in his fights ??

We are discussing the criteria but if you think Byrd is unbeatable because he throws tons of punches, you don't know anything about amateur boxing or havent seen him. Many people wish it was that simple. So, if you had good cardio, you would be a amateur champion? Hardly. Lol. Also Louis Byrd is NOT just unbeatable in the US, he has proven himself on the international stage. Check his resume. Yanez has NO WHERE near the amateur pedigree that Byrd has. You can't compare the two at all. And the question wasn't about a pro style, it was about amateur P4P. When boxers turn pro, they have to adjust, that is a fact. I don't think anyone will disagree with that.

[coachingGOLD]

P4P?
Worldwide he is awesome...Lomonchenko. Currently in USA I will go with Steve Geffard.

[champion]

they do have the same style and will yield same results

[Jpreisser]

what weight is he. sorry i mean American boxers

I say Louie Byrd because judging a boxing style is subjective, but there is nothing subjective about your accomplishments. So, to answer the "why" here is why:

2008, 2009, 2010 National Golden Gloves Champion
2008, 2009, 2010 US National Champion
2008 U.S. Future Stars National Championships Gold Medalist
2009 World Cup of Petroleum Countries Gold Medalist
2006 and 2007 National Junior Olympic Champion
2007 Aliyev Cup Gold Medalist

Louie Byrd? From Colorado?

[dbf]

Lomonchenko from Ukrain. I wish I knew why. Id be doing what hes doing

Spot on. Wonder if he will turn pro after 2012?