Brave Darren Barker beaten unconcious by yobs

[lefty]

Disgusting but like everyone else has said doesnt surprise me in the slightest!I hate bullies like that and thats what they are is bullies when theres aload of you and just one other person!Anyway its good to see that darren has recovered and i hope its had no lasting damage on him,he's always seemed like a decent guy and also a boxer who's willing to test himself which all boxing fans respect.

[lefty]

What bothers me so much is that surely 80% of people at least are in agreement here and yet what gets done about it? Everyone here is in agreement, they are thugs and deserve a harsher sentence, so why, as a 'democracy' do we feel so powerless? Why is their so much voter apathy? This country is absolutely f**ked.

The problem for me goes all the way back to schools, a general lack of respect in society and the youth feeling that 'no-one can touch them'. Britain has become an absolute soft touch. I firmly believe that at some point this softly softly approach will end and people will start taking things into their own hands. We tolerate so many things in this country it is absolutely absurd.

Wasters on the dole, disability benefit fraud through the roof, illegal immigrants staying for years on holiday visas or no visa at all, youths on the street causing trouble and intimidating people, thugs battering people and getting community orders or tags.

I'm sorry for the rant, but this country disgusts me!

I'm not sure the problem goes back too far to schools, although the schooling system is certainly part of the problem.

I personally think that the issue is a problem with the way kids are brought up. I mean, I don't know about you, but I know if I'd have spat on the street, thrown a chocolate wrapper on the ground instead of finding a bin, spoke rudely to my mother or anyone else while she was in earshot, or any of those little things, she would give me a good hiding. She simply wouldn't have tolerated me growing up to be a yob. And it's not as if I grew up in some wealthy gated community, or that my parents have money.

But good manners and civility cost nothing, and yet they're so, so important for the smooth running of society.

I'll give you an example: the drivers in Moscow are completely nuts, pay no attention to the rules and don't care about anyone but themselves. I used to live on the 12th floor overlooking a cross roads. From my balcony, I would be able to look right down on it. And every single night it was total gridlock. Why? Well, you'd get long queues forming at each of the four entrances to the crossroads, but as the lights turned amber and then red, you'd get a bunch of stragglers who wanted to get a jump on the rest by jumping the red. Some would get through, but a few would be blocked by those turning left coming in the opposite direction. This meant that when the lights turn green for the guys coming from the left of them, they get blocked by the cars who tried to sneak through the red, but they too have stragglers on the end who try to beat the red and get caught in the middle. Within a few rotations, the middle of the crossroad is completely logjammed with cars going in four directions all blocking everyone else off and nobody can get through from any direction.

If they'd all just stuck to the rules, and waited for the next green, they'd have to wait, but eventually everyone would get through. Instead, they're rude and break the rules, so nobody gets through and it costs everyone huge amounts of time.

The same thing happens with thugs who cause bother on the streets. It spoils it for everyone and makes life harder.

The problem as I see it comes from the Labour party. I assume you're mostly working class lads and lasses here, and the Labour party simply doesn't represent what the working classes want anymore. As far as I can see -- and this thread has borne out my view -- the working class in Britain are pretty conservative when it comes to social views. They're patriotic (far more so than the middle and upper classes), they want tough criminal justice and old fashioned policing, they want decent, strict schools so their kids have a chance to better themselves, and they want a fair chance at work. The Labour Party used to have a conservative wing that represented this, but now it's dominated by liberals who just don't. And the Conservative Party has not been conservative since at least Thatcher -- it's been classical liberal and libertarian.

Working folks just don't have a voice anymore, and that's the problem.

I think its a combination of things,i dont think you can solely say its the way they've been brought up either as i known some people who had awful upbringings and terrible parents and yet were decent people and quite quiet in some cases.I think its combination of the way they're brought up combined with the natural personality types,etc.The whole nature and nurture thing is very relevant.

[whiskey]

Working folks just don't have a voice anymore, and that's the problem.

Completely agree Carbo.

It was only today I talking to a friend was moaning a girl he knew had posted her "xmas and new year photo" album.

To cut a long story short, she left school, worked 3 months in shop, fell pregnant and rinsed the system ever since. She lives in a nice semi council house in a coveted area of the city. Her son had a seizure/epileptic fit (once I add and only she could verify it) and has walloped the system for an extra chunk of money every month and she has a disability car to run him around in, which is a brand new shape ford fiesta.

Her xmas snaps (taken on her iphone i add) were of this kid with a Wii, on a new flatscreen TV for xmas. Then lots of snaps of her out night after night on the lash with her pals. New year was a huge party with pics of literally crates of larger and her ipod dock plugged into her "xmas present to myself, a lovely stereo system". This album was intertwined with updates such as "Mmmm. A girl has to shop !! sales her i come" etc etc.

Then another lad was on about his own sister, who has 3 kids with her boyfriend and is holding out for a people carrier off the system. Again their xmas tree had more gadgets you could shake a stick at and their council house had recently had a new bathroom and kitchen installed in the last 18 months and they havent worked a day in their lives either. Yet live the life of riley, even on about booking two weeks in Ibiza in the summer to "get away from the rain" for a bit.

He says he cant blame her, but is angry that he works 40-50 hours a week, has a bathroom falling apart and bills coming out of his ears and drives an old Micra to work and back. He slogs his guts out and his son didnt get a fraction of what their kids got.

The system has gone feckin mad. And like Carbo says - it's the working class pumping tax into a system we have no say over.

And it's their kids being dragged up and generally causing aggro in cities, on buses and in cinemas.

[n1ebf]

Me and a mate went to local shop on Saturday evening, as we walked past a group of lads , one of them looked straight at us and said, here comes big cock and little cock, then went on to say he was going to have someone tonight.

So what do you do?

We walked back past them , to get another couple of comments. If we react and get involved in a fight , and if we win, i can garuntee they will go to the police and i would lose my jobs , or the other way is we react and get a kicking, there was about 7 of them.

but walking away is the best thing you could do.

easier said than done. I got hit on the shoe by a snowball from a gang of yobs outside a shop across the road who had waited til they thought I was a good distance away. I was halfway over the road before I thought about it, they all put their heads down so I just walked among em for a minute asking if anybody wanted to own up. I said you wanna get a fcking hobby and kicked a big pile of this icy shit up in the air. The biggest one, a right fat c*nt goes "we don't need a hobby...we work and we train"......I'd already clocked the size of the kite on him before I walked past them, I thought what you training as a chef?? stupid little prick. I walked off and 30 yards down the road I heard another one land at the back of me. Stupid little bastards. I'd be on a charge with 7 or 8 witnesses queueing up to put me inside if I'd lashed out. C*nts.

[black panther]

Working folks just don't have a voice anymore, and that's the problem.

Completely agree Carbo.

It was only today I talking to a friend was moaning a girl he knew had posted her "xmas and new year photo" album.

To cut a long story short, she left school, worked 3 months in shop, fell pregnant and rinsed the system ever since. She lives in a nice semi council house in a coveted area of the city. Her son had a seizure/epileptic fit (once I add and only she could verify it) and has walloped the system for an extra chunk of money every month and she has a disability car to run him around in, which is a brand new shape ford fiesta.

Her xmas snaps (taken on her iphone i add) were of this kid with a Wii, on a new flatscreen TV for xmas. Then lots of snaps of her out night after night on the lash with her pals. New year was a huge party with pics of literally crates of larger and her ipod dock plugged into her "xmas present to myself, a lovely stereo system". This album was intertwined with updates such as "Mmmm. A girl has to shop !! sales her i come" etc etc.

Then another lad was on about his own sister, who has 3 kids with her boyfriend and is holding out for a people carrier off the system. Again their xmas tree had more gadgets you could shake a stick at and their council house had recently had a new bathroom and kitchen installed in the last 18 months and they havent worked a day in their lives either. Yet live the life of riley, even on about booking two weeks in Ibiza in the summer to "get away from the rain" for a bit.

He says he cant blame her, but is angry that he works 40-50 hours a week, has a bathroom falling apart and bills coming out of his ears and drives an old Micra to work and back. He slogs his guts out and his son didnt get a fraction of what their kids got.

The system has gone feckin mad. And like Carbo says - it's the working class pumping tax into a system we have no say over.

And it's their kids being dragged up and generally causing aggro in cities, on buses and in cinemas.

This. I know plenty of stories similiar to the ones you've recited. Absolute p*sstake.

[banjo]

What bothers me so much is that surely 80% of people at least are in agreement here and yet what gets done about it? Everyone here is in agreement, they are thugs and deserve a harsher sentence, so why, as a 'democracy' do we feel so powerless? Why is their so much voter apathy? This country is absolutely f**ked.

The problem for me goes all the way back to schools, a general lack of respect in society and the youth feeling that 'no-one can touch them'. Britain has become an absolute soft touch. I firmly believe that at some point this softly softly approach will end and people will start taking things into their own hands. We tolerate so many things in this country it is absolutely absurd.

Wasters on the dole, disability benefit fraud through the roof, illegal immigrants staying for years on holiday visas or no visa at all, youths on the street causing trouble and intimidating people, thugs battering people and getting community orders or tags.

I'm sorry for the rant, but this country disgusts me!

The reason why there is so much voter apathy in this country is because all politicians are the same, they are not from the same background as us, they don't live in the real world, they don't have to worry about money(even though we're all in the same boat according to the latest lot) or where the next wage packet is coming from. They don't have to worry about there loved ones being kicked to death, raped, abused etc. because they all live in their own little bubbles in their gated communities.

All voting does is send the power from one shower of pudenda to another shower of pudenda with a different name, and it's the voters who get shit on.

[dondada]

Working folks just don't have a voice anymore, and that's the problem.

Completely agree Carbo.

It was only today I talking to a friend was moaning a girl he knew had posted her "xmas and new year photo" album.

To cut a long story short, she left school, worked 3 months in shop, fell pregnant and rinsed the system ever since. She lives in a nice semi council house in a coveted area of the city. Her son had a seizure/epileptic fit (once I add and only she could verify it) and has walloped the system for an extra chunk of money every month and she has a disability car to run him around in, which is a brand new shape ford fiesta.

Her xmas snaps (taken on her iphone i add) were of this kid with a Wii, on a new flatscreen TV for xmas. Then lots of snaps of her out night after night on the lash with her pals. New year was a huge party with pics of literally crates of larger and her ipod dock plugged into her "xmas present to myself, a lovely stereo system". This album was intertwined with updates such as "Mmmm. A girl has to shop !! sales her i come" etc etc.

Then another lad was on about his own sister, who has 3 kids with her boyfriend and is holding out for a people carrier off the system. Again their xmas tree had more gadgets you could shake a stick at and their council house had recently had a new bathroom and kitchen installed in the last 18 months and they havent worked a day in their lives either. Yet live the life of riley, even on about booking two weeks in Ibiza in the summer to "get away from the rain" for a bit.

He says he cant blame her, but is angry that he works 40-50 hours a week, has a bathroom falling apart and bills coming out of his ears and drives an old Micra to work and back. He slogs his guts out and his son didnt get a fraction of what their kids got.

The system has gone feckin mad. And like Carbo says - it's the working class pumping tax into a system we have no say over.

And it's their kids being dragged up and generally causing aggro in cities, on buses and in cinemas.

I have been left leaning politically all of my life but almost all of what Carbo says is bang on for me. And the thing about this type of tale, Gomez, is that some of us KNOW people like this...tell an Oxbridge educated Guardian columnist this (and I do read the paper) and what would be trotted out is that this is all a myth. Well, we know different, don't we?

[Gray-Fox]

Cowards n all

A gang of them kick him unconscious and dont get a jail term?...

Disgrace

Welcome to Labour's judicial system.

What an ignorant moron

[Counter-puncher]

Working folks just don't have a voice anymore, and that's the problem.

Completely agree Carbo.

It was only today I talking to a friend was moaning a girl he knew had posted her "xmas and new year photo" album.

To cut a long story short, she left school, worked 3 months in shop, fell pregnant and rinsed the system ever since. She lives in a nice semi council house in a coveted area of the city. Her son had a seizure/epileptic fit (once I add and only she could verify it) and has walloped the system for an extra chunk of money every month and she has a disability car to run him around in, which is a brand new shape ford fiesta.

Her xmas snaps (taken on her iphone i add) were of this kid with a Wii, on a new flatscreen TV for xmas. Then lots of snaps of her out night after night on the lash with her pals. New year was a huge party with pics of literally crates of larger and her ipod dock plugged into her "xmas present to myself, a lovely stereo system". This album was intertwined with updates such as "Mmmm. A girl has to shop !! sales her i come" etc etc.

Then another lad was on about his own sister, who has 3 kids with her boyfriend and is holding out for a people carrier off the system. Again their xmas tree had more gadgets you could shake a stick at and their council house had recently had a new bathroom and kitchen installed in the last 18 months and they havent worked a day in their lives either. Yet live the life of riley, even on about booking two weeks in Ibiza in the summer to "get away from the rain" for a bit.

He says he cant blame her, but is angry that he works 40-50 hours a week, has a bathroom falling apart and bills coming out of his ears and drives an old Micra to work and back. He slogs his guts out and his son didnt get a fraction of what their kids got.

The system has gone feckin mad. And like Carbo says - it's the working class pumping tax into a system we have no say over.

And it's their kids being dragged up and generally causing aggro in cities, on buses and in cinemas.

can someone tell me how the fvck benefit scrounging directly causes gangs of yobs to kick seven bells out of someone? how the eff is the above relevant?

'got a new flatscreen. think i'll kick someone to death now'

oh, sorry, i get it.

this is the time in the thread where we all weigh in with whats wrong with society today.

cos, nobody, in the days before benefit scrounging, nobody EVER kicked anyone to death before benefits.

yup. in the days before flatscreen tv's and incapacity benefit our society was peaceful, everyone had respect, there were no such thing as single mothers, and nobody ever got kicked to fvck, which all started when the Gov't started handing out goodies to the poor.

[Kilsby]

greenyox3 wrote:
I usually get laughed at when i say this, but they should bring back National Service for kn*bheads like this. 12 months with Drill Sgt Hartman would teach the b*stards a little respect.

Just glad Barker was able to make a recovery.


I wouldnt bring back National service for these people, waste of time and money.

I would just put them on a boat, take them far out to sea and just chuck them overboard and sail back without them.

End of problem.
^^^^^

Gets my vote!

[dondada]

can someone tell me how the fvck benefit scrounging directly causes gangs of yobs to kick seven bells out of someone? how the eff is the above relevant?

It isn't directly relevant. It might be indirectly relevant. I, and others, would argue that some people brought up to have their false sense of entitlement indulged might not understand how to behave correctly in a whole host of circumstances.

[johnnygreaves]

The thing is, even if darren gave his attackers a hiding he would have been the one in bother . I know from experience that as soon ad the court heard he was a pro, they would say he abused his power. Fact, coz iv been there

[dondada]

The thing is, even if darren gave his attackers a hiding he would have been the one in bother . I know from experience that as soon ad the court heard he was a pro, they would say he abused his power. Fact, coz iv been there

Yeah but, to be fair Johnny, you probably clipped the offender then danced round him being a pest for 12 minutes

[johnnygreaves]

Ha ha ha ha. You cheeky sod. Yeh I actually got in trouble for doing a bad Ali shuffle .

[Exoddus]

The reason why there is so much voter apathy in this country is because all politicians are the same, they are not from the same background as us, they don't live in the real world, they don't have to worry about money(even though we're all in the same boat according to the latest lot) or where the next wage packet is coming from. They don't have to worry about there loved ones being kicked to death, raped, abused etc. because they all live in their own little bubbles in their gated communities.

All voting does is send the power from one shower of pudenda to another shower of pudenda with a different name, and it's the voters who get shit on.

George Osborne, the current Chancellor of the Exchequer the guy who is responsible for economic and the financial situation of our country has an estimated personal fortune of around £4,000,000. He's going to be a beneficiary along with his siblings to his dads company. Which must be a further couple of million pounds. I'm not one for holding someone’s background against them. But is someone like George Osborne. Who was born into millions of pounds of wealth. The best person to know the needs of a workingman? What can he possibly know about the average life of the workingman? You can’t trust the Tory party. They like to hit the working class given any opportunity.

Labour is the working mans party but they’ve messed up the benefits situations chronically. I know someone who had another child because they worked out they’ll be better off by £20 a week. What an excellent reason to have a child’s life based around.

I can’t see how you can vote for any party. I’ve never voted in a general election. You either vote Tory or Labour if you want your vote to count. I personally can't bring myself to vote for either.

[Counter-puncher]

can someone tell me how the fvck benefit scrounging directly causes gangs of yobs to kick seven bells out of someone? how the eff is the above relevant?

It isn't directly relevant. It might be indirectly relevant. I, and others, would argue that some people brought up to have their false sense of entitlement indulged might not understand how to behave correctly in a whole host of circumstances.

right. it might also be totally irrelevant. in actual fact, i think the posters concerned were mostly just indulging their wont for tendentious prattling.

I, on the other hand, would point to mankind's long, unlovely history of gratuitous and sometimes sickening violence, and suggest that something as innate as aggressivity is unlikely to have been THAT far influenced by anything else, the 'entitlement generation' of plasma telly's and Skysports for the ASBO generation included.

[banjo]

can someone tell me how the fvck benefit scrounging directly causes gangs of yobs to kick seven bells out of someone? how the eff is the above relevant?

It isn't directly relevant. It might be indirectly relevant. I, and others, would argue that some people brought up to have their false sense of entitlement indulged might not understand how to behave correctly in a whole host of circumstances.

right. it might also be totally irrelevant. in actual fact, i think the posters concerned were mostly just indulging their wont for tendentious prattling.

I, on the other hand, would point to mankind's long, unlovely history of gratuitous and sometimes sickening violence, and suggest that something as innate as aggressivity is unlikely to have been THAT far influenced by anything else, the 'entitlement generation' of plasma telly's and Skysports for the ASBO generation included.

I always point to the fact that deep down past the technology and society we are still animals and we still have those volatile and violent instincts because lets face it we'd die without them, but nobody ever listens.

With this incident I commend Darren Barker for his actions, he put his own hide on the line to protect somebody else, an act which as already pointed out many others would never do either through fear of being hurt or fear of being prosecuted, now both of those you can blame on the successive governments with their "sissification" of Britain, trying to turn us into a nation of mindless sheep, lack of ability to stand up for oneself etc.

I don't think plasma telly's, x-box's and the spice girls are to blame though.

[Bricks]

Great story, Terry. Simpler times when some common sense was used by the coppers.

Yep, the police get a lot of stick but part of the reason we don't trust them is because they've had their hands tied in recent times. Society went head over heels to ensure that the police weren't corrupt and brutal but it has led to a force that is inert and incapable of cutting through the BS and doing their job.

no offence mate but that is a little off the mark re the police being the good guys period. Traditionally the police have had a huge amount of the same cowardly bullying thugs who have made late night town centres a no go zone, join their ranks so they can beat, intimidate, maim, and cripple people with the same impunity as the hoodie thugs! When i was 14 i was walking the roads minding my own business in a very respectable area and saw a car load of policemen..i stared at them as they went past slowly.... i weighed 8 stone and had corrective specs too but i think i stared too long......next thing i know the car load of coppers does a starksy and hutch U turn, they walk me into a coveniently nearby alley way, start telling me about some burglary that took place a few days ago and now i fit the description, they start telling me i could get 2 years,one mustachiod ccunt was shouting in my face i should own up,.....im almost crying at this point, than the ccunts start laughing and piss off in their car without another word.Drive off just like that. Things like that incident made me angry so i started boxing and training. had loads of fights as a teen. once in a revenge attack cos I had beaten one up, thugs set on me en masse and stabbed me badly. cops took statements at my parents house which was a 700 grand leafy suburb in hendon (my point being they knew i was educated from a good background and clean record and had been attacked by scum from the council estates) coppers did fornicate all for months, no arrest, nothjing despite 12 witnesses....meanwhile in my fury i got hold of 2 of my attackers and beat them damn near to death with a blade....of course as soon as that happened i got arrested thrown in the cells within 5 minutes and lead off to the SCRUBS....no fornicating questions asked. magistrates who are in league with pc plod policing and low level cps jobsworths wanted to throw the book at me, it was only when it went to the higher court the judge and jury saw i was a middle class boy ,educated who had been almosty killed in an attack by a gang, and had retaliated the second time in self defence (lol they bought my story).......i learned my lesson from that....... beleive me there are plenty of coppers just as bad as the thugs and both are part of the problem.

[Andypittcov]

You can't blame society,police,upbringing,goverment or anything else for that matter,every individual is responsible for there own actions regardless of circumstance and to blame anything else is supporting the yobs who did this,what drives people to attack a defenseless person lies deep within them and it's a very insecure place.

[n1ebf]

what I don't understand is how Darren got done in in the first place. I would have thought he'd drop 2 or 3 of them hard and the rest of the shIthouses would have bottled it. That doesn't do him a massive amount of good either because then you've got a thoroughbred race-horse cracking his knuckles on some scruffy little shItes heads, so he still ends up out of work for a few months!

[Deserter]

what I don't understand is how Darren got done in in the first place. I would have thought he'd drop 2 or 3 of them hard and the rest of the shIthouses would have bottled it. That doesn't do him a massive amount of good either because then you've got a thoroughbred race-horse cracking his knuckles on some scruffy little shItes heads, so he still ends up out of work for a few months!

Fella, let's be realistic here - any number of scenarios could have happened that would have not allowed that to become an option.... jumped from behind by some of them, attacked by a few at the same time etc.
We've all seen and/or been in enough street fights to know it's messy, dirty and completely down to fluke/chance at times.
One-on-one he'd clearly have leathered whoever he was facing, but this was something different.

[scrap iron]

Iain Hughes (aged 22), Jake Simmons (20) and Lloyd Osborne (25) from Watford.

I wonder how these three would like it if all the boxrec forum users and Darren Barker fans ganged up on them and gave them a kicking? Not like they're anonymous anymore.

[Jeff Thomas]

They are closing 3 prisons up here due to lack of inmates, and laying off or relocating 800 staff.... You look at this case and you can see why prison population is dropping. Govemernment cuts.

[palooka]

what I don't understand is how Darren got done in in the first place. I would have thought he'd drop 2 or 3 of them hard and the rest of the shIthouses would have bottled it. That doesn't do him a massive amount of good either because then you've got a thoroughbred race-horse cracking his knuckles on some scruffy little shItes heads, so he still ends up out of work for a few months!

There's no possible winners in a scenario like the one Darren Barker faced; until the youths grow out of their thuggery there's no answer. You have to hope that the 3 lads do get a few scary moments and jump a bit at noises in the night. Darren did the right thing and a brave thing though to be honest, just because someone is a class boxer and is fit it doesn't mean they can't get filled in. I've seen it myself; the ring and a street brawl is something else.

[Old bones Ian]

just reading in my local paper, a lad i know of who is a thug and has just been released from prison was sending a 16year old girl texts and being a pest, the girls dad threatens him by text. Next thing the dad is in court on a charge. fined .

Why is it the thugs seem to think its ok for them to dish out a beating or be abusive, but when it happens to them , they run straight to the police.