Classic American West Coast Boxing

[kikibalt]

Frank is it time for a cigar yet.

Not at 3:45 in the morning. Getting coffee ready though...

[kikibalt]

Cotto v Mayorga is a friggin' joke.

[THEHAMMER321]

Frank is it time for a cigar yet.

Not at 3:45 in the morning. Getting coffee ready though...

I think I will join you.

[THEHAMMER321]

Menudo day, in your honor I think i will have Taco Bell instead.

[telboy66]

Charlie that list will be most helpful, I have visited some gyms in the past on the recommendation of cab drivers only to find that they were MMA & not boxing gyms at all,I have no interest in MMA to me it's just pub fighting.
I did Judo for 25 years & this crap just has no right to call it's self a martial art, any way enough ranting I look forward to the list

[kikibalt]

Menudo day, in your honor I think i will have Taco Bell instead.

Going to skip manudo today Paul, going to make me some huevos con chorizo, I hope I don't burn the chorizo...

Enjoy your coffee...

[kikibalt]

Photograph of the exterior view of Naud Junction Arena used for boxing, ca.1910. Utility poles line the streets.

"The Naud Junction Arena was erected by noted California pioneer boxing promoter Tom McCarey. Many important boxing contests were held at Naud Junction, under McCarey supervision, in the mid- and late 1900s -- until the Vernon Arena was erected. Nine world championship contests were held at Naud Junction, near the confluence of Main Street, Alhambra Avenue and Macy Street."

[kikibalt]

Hastings Hart ko Ron Jordan at the Olympic
Referee is Joey Olmos

[CNorkusJr]

A busy and sad four weeks have kept me off the thread. But, like a bad habit, you guys can’t get rid of me.

A terrific piece on Stillman’s. A bit of history: Originally, the premier fight gym in New York was Billy Grupp's on 116th Street. But around WWI, the Jewish fighters in New York discovered Grupp was Anti-Semitic and blamed the Jews for WWI. After that, Benny Leonard and other Jewish fighters refused to train at Grupp's gym, and settled on Stillman’s. At the time, when in Harlem, Stillman’s wasn’t even a professional gym, but it was good enough for Leonard because Grupp wasn’t there.

I have also read that Marciano preferred training at the two places Charlie mentioned because that’s where Charley Goldman liked to train his fighters. Charley lived in a boarding house near the YMCA location, so it was more convenient for him.

My Condolenses Tom. Its good to see you back. I'm sure the posts will lift your spirits.

I didnt realize Goldman lived by the Y. My dad said he would go down to the Ymca to see Rocky train. He said most of the time he kept closed doors to the public and allowed only certain individuals in at certain times. My father included. He would open the doors to the public and media as it got closer to fight time, but I remember my dad said Rocky seemed very secretive about his "closed" training techniques. Maybe he was working on a special defense for each opponent. On the other foot, he said Rocky, if he knew you was a warm very personal guy who had a sense of humor away from the ring. The closer to fight time, the more closed up he was. Though my father never faced him in the ring, and my dad made no mention if he sparred with him (highly doubtful); my father said he could tell that Rocky's punch was the strongest in the business. My father sat front row ringside for many of his fights (courtesy of a Rocky Comp tickets) and saw him in action. His forearms were most muscular and waited to unload, as we all can see on film.
On my fathers scheduled fights with him, my father was very often asked if could take Rocky.
In all his interviews I witnessed (dozens); his answer was always the same. Paraphrasing: "I dont know if I could have beaten him but there was no doubt in my mind that it would be a very interesting fight." Privately he told me " I think I had a good a shot as any. Rocky, if he had any problems with anything, it was defending against left hands.Often he left his right side and head open for lefts. If I could land my lefts on him before he clipped me with his rights I had a chance. My chin was good enough for most, but Rocky was devastating,It would have been interesting". My father also told me numerous times that he was not dejected about not facing Rocky in the ring, as his career was considered successful enough to provide for his family. Deep down, I think he wished he had his shot. I could tell in his mannerisms. He was too competative a man not to have a shot and see. And I really think he thought that he could beat him, if the fight went his way. He always respected Rocky not only as a friend, but as the Heavywt. Champ too.
In Brooklyn together:

[kikibalt]

Where is every body at??

[raylawpc]

I spent the morning moving furniture from my step-mom's apartment to my house here in Monett. Right now, I'm sitting in my laz-e-boy watching Fox News.

BTW, I just noticed that the author of the blog about Jeff's Spring Street bar speculated "proprietors being J&J, perhaps with a brother Jonathan." In fact, Jeff's partner was Jack Kipper. Kipper was a loyal friend who claimed that Jeff lost to Jack Johnson because he had been drugged before the fight.

[kikibalt]

I spent the morning moving furniture from my step-mom's apartment to my house here in Monett. Right now, I'm sitting in my laz-e-boy watching Fox News.

Fox Noise...

[Rick Farris]

Fritzie Zivic will be inducted int the WBHOF in June!!!!!!

Don Fraser just called to let me know.

[raylawpc]

WHBOF? Or did you mean CBHOF? Either way, good news indeed!

[Rick Farris]

Where is every body at??

Just woke up, Frank. I worked 18 hours friday, 16 on thursday, etc.
Coffee is tasting good at the moment.

[kikibalt]

WHBOF? Or did you mean CBHOF? Either way, good news indeed!

The latter I'm sure....

[Rick Farris]

Ex-Pug . . .

Just talked to our buddy, Brian Higgins. Brian is in Detroit with the Chicago Blackhawks who play the Red Wings in a couple hours.
Last year the Blackhawks beat Detroit for the Stanley Cup and I hope they can do it again.

[kikibalt]

Where is every body at??

Just woke up, Frank. I worked 18 hours friday, 16 on thursday, etc.
Coffee is tasting good at the moment.

Working that many hours is not good for your health, plus you'll never become a "Kept Man" doing that....

[Rick Farris]

WHBOF? Or did you mean CBHOF? Either way, good news indeed!

The latter I'm sure....

CBHOF. Sorry guys, just a habit thinking WBHOF.
The World Boxing Hall of Fame is in turmoil at the moment and I'm not confident that they will doing much for awhile.

[Rick Farris]

Where is every body at??

Just woke up, Frank. I worked 18 hours friday, 16 on thursday, etc.
Coffee is tasting good at the moment.

Working that many hours is not good for your health, plus you'll never become a "Kept Man" doing that....

I know, Frank. I think I need to sit down with you and have you put me back on track.
In addition to Spider Man-4, I will occasionally step in and replace the LD on a Nickleodian kids show called "Big Time Rush".
Big Time Rush is a popular boys band that has a Saturday night TV series on Nick.
One of the boys in the band, James, is a nice young man in his 20's who lives right around the corner from me.
I have just started to teach him boxing when we have free time (which is rare). These guys not only do the TV series, but tour world wide when they are not scheduled to film. Next month, they will do a short European tour, hit a few towns back East for concerts on their way back and then resume shooting the series in March. Nice young guys who the young teenage girls flock to see. I take James up in the Hollywood Hills behind our home and put him thru my workout. The kid is a singer/actor/dancer and is quick to pick up what I teach. However, Monica has a second job herself, working as a personal assistant for a pretty well known actress. So I may be putting in some hours, but so is Monica, so I'm keeping my hopes for a future "Kept Man" status.

[raylawpc]

Just woke up, Frank. I worked 18 hours friday, 16 on thursday, etc.
Coffee is tasting good at the moment.

Working that many hours is not good for your health, plus you'll never become a "Kept Man" doing that....

I know, Frank. I think I need to sit down with you and have you put me back on track.
In addition to Spider Man-4, I will occasionally step in and replace the LD on a Nickleodian kids show called "Big Time Rush".
Big Time Rush is a popular boys band that has a Saturday night TV series on Nick.
One of the boys in the band, James, is a nice young man in his 20's who lives right around the corner from me.
I have just started to teach him boxing when we have free time (which is rare). These guys not only do the TV series, but tour world wide when they are not scheduled to film. Next month, they will do a short European tour, hit a few towns back East on their way back and then resume shooting the series in March. Nice young guys who the young teenage girls flock to see. I take James up in the Hollywood Hills behind our home and put him thru my workout. The kid is a singer/actor/dancer and is quick to pick up what I teach. However, Monica has a second job herself, working as a personal assistant for a pretty well known actress. So I may be putting in some hours, but so is Monica, so I'm keeping my hopes for a future "Kept Man" status.

You are half-way there. You have Monica working two jobs so she can support you both. Now, all you need to do is retire and kept man status is yours!

[raylawpc]

Ex-Pug . . .

Just talked to our buddy, Brian Higgins. Brian is in Detroit with the Chicago Blackhawks who play the Red Wings in a couple hours.
Last year the Blackhawks beat Detroit for the Stanley Cup and I hope they can do it again.

It'll be great to have Brian at the CBHOF banquet this year!!

[Rick Farris]

I spent the morning moving furniture from my step-mom's apartment to my house here in Monett. Right now, I'm sitting in my laz-e-boy watching Fox News.

BTW, I just noticed that the author of the blog about Jeff's Spring Street bar speculated "proprietors being J&J, perhaps with a brother Jonathan." In fact, Jeff's partner was Jack Kipper. Kipper was a loyal friend who claimed that Jeff lost to Jack Johnson because he had been drugged before the fight.

Maybe so, but in that era it would seem more likely that somebody would drug Johnson.
With all respect to the great Jeffries, I don't think Johnson would need help defeating Jeff at that point in time, who had come out of retirement? But who knows?

[Rick Farris]

Ex-Pug . . .

Just talked to our buddy, Brian Higgins. Brian is in Detroit with the Chicago Blackhawks who play the Red Wings in a couple hours.
Last year the Blackhawks beat Detroit for the Stanley Cup and I hope they can do it again.

It'll be great to have Brian at the CBHOF banquet this year!!

Tom, having you and Brian at that event, as well as Remy & family coming to L.A. from Norway really makes this a special occasion.
I won't name all of us here who will attend the event, but I will do anything I can to help anybody who posts here find a way to attend.
As always, Don & Frank will host a sell-out, but there will be a seat for anybody here who can make it, guaranteed!
The CBHOF is without question the finest event on the West Coast!

[raylawpc]

I spent the morning moving furniture from my step-mom's apartment to my house here in Monett. Right now, I'm sitting in my laz-e-boy watching Fox News.

BTW, I just noticed that the author of the blog about Jeff's Spring Street bar speculated "proprietors being J&J, perhaps with a brother Jonathan." In fact, Jeff's partner was Jack Kipper. Kipper was a loyal friend who claimed that Jeff lost to Jack Johnson because he had been drugged before the fight.

Maybe so, but in that era it would seem more likely that somebody would drug Johnson.
With all respect to the great Jeffries, I don't think Johnson would need help defeating Jeff, who had come out of retirement?

Nobody believed it. It was just an excuse by Kipper for his friend. However, although Jeff initially poo-pooed the idea, he later came to embrace the theory and made the same claim in Two-Fisted Jeff published in 1929. Sportswriter Bob Edgren, who should have known better, also advanced the idea in the 1920s. All they did was make themselves look silly.