So if someone said Duran could beat Ali straight-up, as a hypothetical, that wouldn't be over-rating him? Is it really beyond you? I have seen Duran labelled, "hands down," the best LW who ever lived. I have seen it said no one south of 147lbs. could ever defeat the Duran of Montreal. It happens.hurlock wrote:how anyone can call a 3weight world champion over rated is beyond me.
Hearns-Duran was not a decapitation? Benitez-Duran was not a schooling?SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Goodnight, Irene wrote:^^^In your opinion (the first point). Statements from Keith & I are statements of fact.
Either you aren't following the thread well or you are trying to change the point to 'win'.Goodnight, Irene wrote:Oh, we're re-writing history now, are we?Scottrf wrote:No, they are opinion also. The result of a fight had a fighter prepared differently isn't fact.
It's no longer a fact that Hearns decapitated Duran, & Benitez schooled him? Duran's preparation has sweet jack fvcking sh!t to do with what Keith & I said.
I could not agree more. I simply tire of the wave upon wave of excuses for the man's defeats, & the way he is revered as being head-&-shoulders above most, if not all, other greats in what is, to my mind, the steepest division for all-time legends in all of Boxing.bengulnaci1 wrote:Personally, I dont agree.
Of course, there is a romanticism about Duran, his skills, Montreal.
Sure Hearns pole-axed him, poorly conditioned or not. The same Hearns got bombed, one shot too, by Barkley. Benitez got done by SRL, who was beat up by Duran etc....but we all know this
Weight, training, conditioning etc can always be applied, bottom line is he was a great fighter, with great skills and a natural fighter with all the required attributes. He would have done well in any era in history and that is a mark of a great fighter, in my humble opinion.
No exaggeration is more immense than Duran's reputation, great as he was.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Benitez didn't humiliate Duran, he beat him. If you're talking about running the fight over and over, Wilfred would be unlikely to be in that kind of shape again.
Very funny stuff, your immense exaggerations always are.
Go ahead & tell us how fat & disinterested Duran was for his fight with Benitez. Laugh some more, Saad --- & then do what comes natural to all Duran fanatics.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself far more than Benitez could ever embarrass Duran.
Seen far, far too many things to the contrary to take that seriously, I have to say. For someone who, "slams him harder than anyone hugs him," it's mighty generous of me to rank him anywhere from 1-5 at LW, all-time, isn't it? I guess you dodged that because it doesn't fit your facile critique of me.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I've never said any such thing. To suggest that Duran was incapable of competing with Benitez is silly. No need to cover your ridiculous comments with making up things about me. I'm just getting a laugh out of you. I stopped taking anything you say about Duran seriously long ago. Nobody on earth hugs him as hard as you slam him. That, as you would say, is a fact.
Goodnight, Irene wrote:Seen far, far too many things to the contrary to take that seriously, I have to say. For someone who, "slams him harder than anyone hugs him," it's mighty generous of me to rank him anywhere from 1-5 at LW, all-time, isn't it? I guess you dodged that because it doesn't fit your facile critique of me.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I've never said any such thing. To suggest that Duran was incapable of competing with Benitez is silly. No need to cover your ridiculous comments with making up things about me. I'm just getting a laugh out of you. I stopped taking anything you say about Duran seriously long ago. Nobody on earth hugs him as hard as you slam him. That, as you would say, is a fact.
I quite like your second sentence, incidentally. It hints at the core-thinking of a true Duran fanatic --- you are saying, without literally stating it, that Duran was far diminished when he fought Benitez (the facts say otherwise) & that an in-shape, "Montreal" Duran would've done something so much better. You've tipped your hand here, Saad. You may've gotten away with that running it by Collie, or better still Buzz, but I know how to read between the lines
Come on now & do what it is your instincts ask of you --- tell us how a well-trained, focused Duran would've whupped Benitez...& Hagler...& Foster...& Ali. I know as a Duran man, such statements burn within you. I've seen it over & over & over through the years.
), the Money May Morons, the Ali apologists, the Titosites (menacing crew of the late-90's, early-00's), &, yes, the Duran-a-man-iacs. Goodnight, Irene wrote:It is the obligation of all pillars of objectivity within the BoxRec community to peg back fanatics of all fighters --- the Pactardo Meat-gazers (much as I would love to claim it, not my own coined phrase
Without individuals such as myself, there is nothing to hold back the tide of fandom over-running that most glorious of all virtues, objectivity. Duran is as much a menace to honest evaluation as (almost) any fighter in history.
I will do my duty, even if it brings me into conflict with otherwise-shrewd members.
We don't have a sleeping emoticon (though your point is nonetheless made, rest assuredSaadOffTheDeck wrote:Goodnight, Irene wrote:It is the obligation of all pillars of objectivity within the BoxRec community to peg back fanatics of all fighters --- the Pactardo Meat-gazers (much as I would love to claim it, not my own coined phrase
Without individuals such as myself, there is nothing to hold back the tide of fandom over-running that most glorious of all virtues, objectivity. Duran is as much a menace to honest evaluation as (almost) any fighter in history.
I will do my duty, even if it brings me into conflict with otherwise-shrewd members.
If your duty is to troll me and invent statements that I've never made. You need to find a new hobby.
), & I never attributed a statement to you you didn't make. I simply invited you to say something which, as a Duran fanatic, I know swirls deep within your thoughts. I've never seen a Duran-a-man-iac without such stars in their eyes.Goodnight, Irene wrote:We don't have a sleeping emoticon (though your point is nonetheless made, rest assuredSaadOffTheDeck wrote:Goodnight, Irene wrote:It is the obligation of all pillars of objectivity within the BoxRec community to peg back fanatics of all fighters --- the Pactardo Meat-gazers (much as I would love to claim it, not my own coined phrase
Without individuals such as myself, there is nothing to hold back the tide of fandom over-running that most glorious of all virtues, objectivity. Duran is as much a menace to honest evaluation as (almost) any fighter in history.
I will do my duty, even if it brings me into conflict with otherwise-shrewd members.
If your duty is to troll me and invent statements that I've never made. You need to find a new hobby.
Nice.BarryWashington wrote:duran is an all-time great and is a top five lightweight of all-time. that much we agree on. let's not beat a dead horse here:
DTrue storybollox wrote:That must be the horse that Duran KO'd. With one punch
