Who Will Be Ranked Higher In History --- (Part II)...

[Goodnight, Irene]

Oscar De La Hoya, or Shane Mosley?

[Idisagree]

I think popularity would make DLH the choice here. DLH lost a close decision to Mosley but he was robbed on the second one. Even Mosley knew he lost, he was so surprise with the decision.

[NazNaci1]

I think DLH, close one, just think DLH had that bit better legacy, despite his losses.

[mattsplat]

I would say DLH at the moment. Shane hasnt hung them up yet...

[theory]

DLH by far.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Definitely Shane for me. I also thought Oscar won their rematch, but it was much closer than the first fight. When they met at their best, Mosley clearly beat him in a classic. The two wins and the late win over Margarito put Shane over the top for me. I'm surprised I am his first vote.

Like the other one, if it's just popularity it's Oscar by a mile. But that goes without saying.

[Crease]

Oscar De La Hoya. The man fought everybody!!!

[Flump]

DLH by a street.

[Idisagree]

Definitely Shane for me. I also thought Oscar won their rematch, but it was much closer than the first fight. When they met at their best, Mosley clearly beat him in a classic. The two wins and the late win over Margarito put Shane over the top for me. I'm surprised I am his first vote.

Like the other one, if it's just popularity it's Oscar by a mile. But that goes without saying.

I think DLH has a better resume than Mosley. He has wins over Pernell, Chavez, Quartey, Carr, and Hernandez. Mosley has nobody close to Pernell on his resume. Also, DLH arguably lost to Trinidad and to Mosley on the second fight. He lost to Mosley on the first fight but it was close and competitive. It’s not like Mosley dominated the fight and there are still questions as to whether Mosley used steroids or whatever on that fight. In the event that a miracle happens and Mosley defeats Pac then that obviously would elevate Mosley to a higher ranking. However, if he gets blown-out then he will still be ranked below DLH in my opinion. Also, let’s not forget that Margarito without the hands of stone is a below average fighter.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You have all sorts of speculation and that's fine. i gave Oscar 3 rounds against a well past his prime Whitaker. So I don't put much into that "win". You're going to diminish the Margarito win and applaud DLH beating Chavez? That kind of selective arguing is pointless. They both have very solid resumes and Shane beat him twice. At least once and a half.

Their first fight was definitely competitive, it was a war. But there is no doubt that Shane won. I thought oscar was up 4-2 and Shane swept the last 6. Great fight, no doubt who the better man was though.

[Diamond WEAPON]

De La Hoya. The numerous Championship wins in destructive fashion from 130-140 help his case as opposed to Mosley's less glittering resume but still a great one at 135. Then you have him at 147 and 154 scoring some pretty damn good wins against good and great fighters, often seen as very dangerous for him. Whitaker was a big step up, Quartey was his Prime-Prime litmus test, he outboxed Trinidad only to allow the fight to be taken from him, he outboxed and KO'd Vargas not long after Feroz fought a bloody war of attrition with Tito, and he managed to score a great comeback KO against the newly re-minted Champ Mayorga after his post-Hopkins layoff.

Shane unfortunately suffers from his title reigns being cut short and in between fighting and beating guys who had already been "exposed" to some degree such as Vargas and Mayorga by the time he got to them. The boxing lesson he gave Collazo and absolute street-style beatdown he gave Margarito are VERY impressive though.

Basically I think Oscar just nicks it but not by that much

[Goodnight, Irene]

The way I see it is this --- De La Hoya is miles & miles & miles ahead through the first-half of their careers (say, about 1992-1999?). Mosley gains ground in besting De La Hoya in a great fight, but he plainly lost their rematch. Even scoring that as a win for De La Hoya, it doesn't completely erase the first bout (which was more significant, IMO), but it does take a good chunk of gloss off it. In the second-half of their careers, I think I would give Mosley the edge, but it's relatively close. Certainly, much closer than the first-half, which De La Hoya wins going away.

Herego, De La Hoya over Mosley. Just too much good work, & too dramatic a lead early, to have been run down (yet --- Mosley's still tickin'...).

[SUGARRAYSMELEE]

Mosley definitely deserves to be ranked higher, he was the better fighter.

I think De La Hoya's popularity will probably overshadow Mosley's success. However, f Mosley beats Pacquiao (highly unlikely) he would undoubtedly be ranked higher.

[gilgamesh]

Head to Head DLH is 0-2 vs Mosley and yes I do think DLH lost both fights. The 2nd one being one of the closest fights I've ever seen though.

DLH's biggest legacy enhancer is he literally fought almost EVERY big name of his era at least within his weight ranges.

I'm sure DLH will be remembered more fondly by people as he was about as popular as a fighter can be, but it's a tough call if he was the better fighter.

Let's compare common opponents

DLH vs Mayweather ( DLH loses a split decision in a pretty competitive fight )
Mosley vs Mayweather ( Mosley rocks the hell out of Mayweather probably worse than anyone else ever has, but then loses all 10 rounds after that clearly )
Advantage: DLH

DLH vs Mayorga ( DLH dominates and stops Mayorga pretty easily in 6 rounds )
Mosley vs Mayorga ( Mosley struggles a lot more than anyone thought he would and pulls it out with a dramatic knockout right at the end of the 12th round )
Advantage: DLH

DLH vs Vargas ( DLH and Vargas trade rounds throughout the first 5 until DLH starts to adjust and has a great rally in rounds 6-8, Vargas has one more good round in round 9 and then the 10th round marks the begginning of the end as DLH rocks Vargas badly and finishes him in the 11th. Great fight )
Mosley vs Vargas ( Mosley has a similarly tough fight with Vargas the first time around, but stops him in the 10th by swelling Vargas' eye horribly. The 2nd time around it's all Mosley he dominates from beginning to end and puts Vargas down and out in the 6th. This is a tough call as you could definitely make the argument that Vargas was already damaged goods, but giving Mosley the benefit of the doubt and assuming he was facing at least close to the same Vargas that DLH fought )
Advantage: Mosley

I know they had other common opponents anyone else can feel free to enlighten us more on their common opponents, and give an in-depth look at who did better against who and why they did better.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Head to Head DLH is 0-2 vs Mosley and yes I do think DLH lost both fights. The 2nd one being one of the closest fights I've ever seen though.

DLH's biggest legacy enhancer is he literally fought almost EVERY big name of his era at least within his weight ranges.

I'm sure DLH will be remembered more fondly by people as he was about as popular as a fighter can be, but it's a tough call if he was the better fighter.

Let's compare common opponents

DLH vs Mayweather ( DLH loses a split decision in a pretty competitive fight )
Mosley vs Mayweather ( Mosley rocks the hell out of Mayweather probably worse than anyone else ever has, but then loses all 10 rounds after that clearly )
Advantage: DLH

DLH vs Mayorga ( DLH dominates and stops Mayorga pretty easily in 6 rounds )
Mosley vs Mayorga ( Mosley struggles a lot more than anyone thought he would and pulls it out with a dramatic knockout right at the end of the 12th round )
Advantage: DLH

DLH vs Vargas ( DLH and Vargas trade rounds throughout the first 5 until DLH starts to adjust and has a great rally in rounds 6-8, Vargas has one more good round in round 9 and then the 10th round marks the begginning of the end as DLH rocks Vargas badly and finishes him in the 11th. Great fight )
Mosley vs Vargas ( Mosley has a similarly tough fight with Vargas the first time around, but stops him in the 10th by swelling Vargas' eye horribly. The 2nd time around it's all Mosley he dominates from beginning to end and puts Vargas down and out in the 6th. This is a tough call as you could definitely make the argument that Vargas was already damaged goods, but giving Mosley the benefit of the doubt and assuming he was facing at least close to the same Vargas that DLH fought )
Advantage: Mosley

I know they had other common opponents anyone else can feel free to enlighten us more on their common opponents, and give an in-depth look at who did better against who and why they did better.

He most certainly was not.

[gilgamesh]

He damn sure was facing a badly faded Vargas by the 2nd fight, but the 1st one was pretty competitive so it's hard to say how much Vargas had slipped.

[SUGARRAYSMELEE]

I think Shane Mosley is the better fighter, however, as mentioned before DLH has the popularity that will influence his rankings.

This is similar to the fact that while Sugar Ray Leonard isn't necessarily better than Hagler, he will be ranked higher in history due to his image.

However, if Mosley beats Pacquiao............................ then undoubtedly it will be Shane.