Classic American West Coast Boxing

[THEHAMMER321]

Congratulations Austin Trout & Louie Burke!

Austin Trout (trained by Randy's cousin, Louie Burke), won the WBA Light-Middleweight World Championship a few minutes ago!
Trout scored a unanimous 12 round decision over Rigoberto Alvarez in Guadalajara, Mexico.
He must have whipped him pretty good to take a unanimous decision over a Mexican in his hometown?

Randy, this must be your cousin's year. He's being inducted into the CBHOF and now handles a world champ

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BOXREC report:

Saturday 5 February 2011
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico

light middleweight Rigoberto Alvarez 26(19)-2(1)-0 Lost to Austin Trout 21(13)-0(0)-0 UD 12 12
(vacant WBA World light middleweight title)

I couldn't be happier for Louie. Your right, this is his year.

Randy congrats to Louie and Trout, I saw Louie's fights with Freddie Roach years ago, whatever happened to another New Mexico fighter, Tommy Cordova, he threw more punches per round than any fighter I ever saw, not a big puncher just threw a ton.

[CNorkusJr]

Charlie . . . How great to live in the house you grew up in, what great memories.
I was talking with Don Fraser about your dad, and his fights with Charlie Powell and Archie Moore.
I recall a few years back when Don & Frank inducted Powell into the CBHOF.
He was in poor health at the time, and I guess he's not doing too well today.
He was one of the greatest athletes in California history, his accomplishments far beyond boxing.
I particularly enjoyed that Boxing Illustrated cover of your dad and he toe-to-toe, and that devistating punch your dad landed.
Powell had set records in high school sports that existed for decades. His shot put record might still stand.
He played for the San Francisco 49'ers, and the Giants wanted him for baseball. He fought successfully against great heavyweights.
A few years back the L.A. times outlined his athletic accomplishments and they were almost beyond belief.
Your dad & Charlie Powell shared some great history. We're lucky to have you sharing that history with us.

Rick, It is sad to hear that Charlie Powell is not doing so well. With the recent passings of Cesar Brion & Danny Nardico, that era of some of boxings legends are thinning rapidly. I hope Charlie hangs in there much longer.
When I was in middle school,about 12 yrs old, a teacher of mine,Mike Byrnes, was talking to us in the classroom. Very rarely was it ever mentioned that my father was a fighter. It simply wasnt the place. On this day I was talking excessively in class during Mr Byrnes lesson, I remember. He stopped and sat down. He pointed me out and of course all stopped.
He then said " I dont know if many of you know that Charlie's dad was a great prizefighter.I watched on TV awhile ago (1954) as Charlies dad hit a guy so hard it lifted him off the ring floor 2 inches and put him on his backside across the other side of the ring."
After the classroom stares stopped he went back to his lesson and I stayed quiet for the rest of the year. After the class, I talked to him and he said it was a true story-go ask my father. We did not have video or films yet in the family of my dads fights and my dad talked little about his ring prowess then, other than to say he gave me talks on "who" he fought-not how the fights went.
I went home and talked to my father. I sat and told him the story and he smiled. He said " I think Mr Byrnes is building up the story,but I did beat Charlie Powell the first time around".
He then told me" I lost to Charlie Powell a few years later in CA also".
He then told me while looking at the news front pages in the scrapbook with the pictures from the fight " Charlie Powell was a great Athlete and former great football player".
He went on to talk about Charlie's career and life telling all the wonderful things he done.
My father knew well about all his opponents and stayed friends with many of them.
I think because they lived a country apart from each other, he didnt talk to Charlie all that much afterwards, but he always carried the respect and friendship that he had for all of his opponents.In 1975 we finally got a copy of the Charlie Powell (1st fite) on film. For the first time ever I saw what Mr Byrnes was talking about. I dont know if it was 2 inches, but he was deposited on the other side of the ring when he came down.
My father said that Charlie Powell chomped on the bit to get a rematch. Every year his people got a hold of my fathers mgr. after that for the rematch and finally in 1958 Charlie Powell got his revenge. My father told me he was a great athlete with no stretch of the mind.

[THEHAMMER321]

Charlie . . . How great to live in the house you grew up in, what great memories.
I was talking with Don Fraser about your dad, and his fights with Charlie Powell and Archie Moore.
I recall a few years back when Don & Frank inducted Powell into the CBHOF.
He was in poor health at the time, and I guess he's not doing too well today.
He was one of the greatest athletes in California history, his accomplishments far beyond boxing.
I particularly enjoyed that Boxing Illustrated cover of your dad and he toe-to-toe, and that devistating punch your dad landed.
Powell had set records in high school sports that existed for decades. His shot put record might still stand.
He played for the San Francisco 49'ers, and the Giants wanted him for baseball. He fought successfully against great heavyweights.
A few years back the L.A. times outlined his athletic accomplishments and they were almost beyond belief.
Your dad & Charlie Powell shared some great history. We're lucky to have you sharing that history with us.

Rick, It is sad to hear that Charlie Powell is not doing so well. With the recent passings of Cesar Brion & Danny Nardico, that era of some of boxings legends are thinning rapidly. I hope Charlie hangs in there much longer.
When I was in middle school,about 12 yrs old, a teacher of mine,Mike Byrnes, was talking to us in the classroom. Very rarely was it ever mentioned that my father was a fighter. It simply wasnt the place. On this day I was talking excessively in class during Mr Byrnes lesson, I remember. He stopped and sat down. He pointed me out and of course all stopped.
He then said " I dont know if many of you know that Charlie's dad was a great prizefighter.I watched on TV awhile ago (1954) as Charlies dad hit a guy so hard it lifted him off the ring floor 2 inches and put him on his backside across the other side of the ring."
After the classroom stares stopped he went back to his lesson and I stayed quiet for the rest of the year. After the class, I talked to him and he said it was a true story-go ask my father. We did not have video or films yet in the family of my dads fights and my dad talked little about his ring prowess then, other than to say he gave me talks on "who" he fought-not how the fights went.
I went home and talked to my father. I sat and told him the story and he smiled. He said " I think Mr Byrnes is building up the story,but I did beat Charlie Powell the first time around".
He then told me" I lost to Charlie Powell a few years later in CA also".
He then told me while looking at the news front pages in the scrapbook with the pictures from the fight " Charlie Powell was a great Athlete and former great football player".
He went on to talk about Charlie's career and life telling all the wonderful things he done.
My father knew well about all his opponents and stayed friends with many of them.
I think because they lived a country apart from each other, he didnt talk to Charlie all that much afterwards, but he always carried the respect and friendship that he had for all of his opponents.In 1975 we finally got a copy of the Charlie Powell (1st fite) on film. For the first time ever I saw what Mr Byrnes was talking about. I dont know if it was 2 inches, but he was deposited on the other side of the ring when he came down.
My father said that Charlie Powell chomped on the bit to get a rematch. Every year his people got a hold of my fathers mgr. after that for the rematch and finally in 1958 Charlie Powell got his revenge. My father told me he was a great athlete with no stretch of the mind.

Charlie, I have asked different sources and nobody can come up with anybody other than Charlie Powell, who was a pro football player and good enough to be a top ten contender, all the football turned pro fighters were pretty much a joke,Too Tall Jones, Mark Gastineau and a couple others, can you name someone other than Powell who fit the criteria I am talking about ?.

[Rick Farris]

Congratulations to Austin Trout on his victory over Rigoberto Alvarez and winning the WBA World Super Welterweight Championship. Congrats to the city of Las Cruces, New Mexico and my cousin Louie Burke for producing their first world champion.


Photos and Comments Courtesy of http://newmexicoboxing.com
Photos by Etzel Espinosa–Hoganphotos/Golden Boy Promotions

Showing no signs of ring rust after his long lay off, Las Cruces’ Austin “No Doubt” Trout (22-0, 13 KOs) scored a one-sided twelve round unanimous decision over WBA interim super welterweight titleholder Rigoberto “El Espanol” Alvarez (26-3, 19 KOs) Saturday night at the Arena Coliseo in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico and claimed the vacant WBA “regular” super welterweight belt. In the 12th round Trout hurt Alvarez and was close to ending the fight. After twelve all three judges scored the bout 119-108 for Trout. Congratulations to Austin on his win and in becoming the fourth male New Mexican to win a world title in nearly 150 years of N.M. boxing history.

[CNorkusJr]

Charlie, I have asked different sources and nobody can come up with anybody other than Charlie Powell, who was a pro football player and good enough to be a top ten contender, all the football turned pro fighters were pretty much a joke,Too Tall Jones, Mark Gastineau and a couple others, can you name someone other than Powell who fit the criteria I am talking about ?.

Actually, off the top of my head, I can't. I know boxrec takes its pride on going way back to the beginning of boxing, but only in my lifetime I can think of no other boxer who played another major sport in modern times shifting to boxing succesfully as Powell.
Charlie Powell was very unique in that way. All-Pro football player yet also-not just your run of the mill 2-3 year player, but a star athlete who excelled in track and field too.
He was highly touted as a boxer and was destined to fight Rocky Marciano in the ring as his star rose in the heavy ranks. Like others before him, my father was sent out to San Fran to meet him in 1954. Now my father never mentioned Al Weill, or the IBC and the role they played in this. Weill definetly sent my father to fight Nardico,in which Danny was already slated to fight Marciano if he got by my father. He didnt.
Marciano was at the fight between my dad and Powell, and actually their was talk of him reffing the fight between the two, but whoever decided, thought best of that and it did not happen. I would say that Weill and Mad. Sq. Productions sent my dad out there to fight the undefeated (11-0) Powell as previously done with others, but my dad never told me that, and therefore lost to the wind on fact (unless something turns up later).(contract or document).
To answer you question though, no I dont know of anyone coming close to being what Charlie Powell was in the ring. Both pictures from 1954 first fight.

[CNorkusJr]

Congratulations Austin Trout & Louie Burke!

Austin Trout (trained by Randy's cousin, Louie Burke), won the WBA Light-Middleweight World Championship a few minutes ago!
Trout scored a unanimous 12 round decision over Rigoberto Alvarez in Guadalajara, Mexico.
He must have whipped him pretty good to take a unanimous decision over a Mexican in his hometown?

Randy, this must be your cousin's year. He's being inducted into the CBHOF and now handles a world champ

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BOXREC report:

Saturday 5 February 2011
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico

light middleweight Rigoberto Alvarez 26(19)-2(1)-0 Lost to Austin Trout 21(13)-0(0)-0 UD 12 12
(vacant WBA World light middleweight title)

I couldn't be happier for Louie. Your right, this is his year.

Randy congrats to Louie and Trout, I saw Louie's fights with Freddie Roach years ago, whatever happened to another New Mexico fighter, Tommy Cordova, he threw more punches per round than any fighter I ever saw, not a big puncher just threw a ton.

Simply Great.Randy. Louie knows the business and things are going his way. Gotta keep an eye on Austin now. We are all in his corner.That top picture of him after the fight with the belt around him. Great shot. Thanks Randy.

[CNorkusJr]

Yes Charlie, I'm proud of the boy's ring accomplishments. They did them selves proud, I believe. Looking back now that we are at the end of our boxing journey all I can say is "man!! what a time we had". We met people and visit places thru boxing that other wise we would never had met or visit, we don't get around much anymore, but we are still meeting and making new friends thru boxing, plus staying in touch with old friends. All in all its been a hell of a ride....

Love your house....

You certainly have alot to be proud about. Can I make a suggestion Frank, and excuse me if I seem forward on this. If you, Frankie Jr, and Tony are not doing so already-may I suggest that this would be a great time to start jotting down a few paragraphs each about who,what,when, where and why about their fights. The children is what I have in mind here.
Also, the future grandchildren and beyond. Your experiences are worth alot and not in the dollar sense of it when it comes to family. Like my father,life is what it is and he never had the tendency to go around telling people about himself and his ring career. He was a humble guy with a hell of a story, with pictures and films to show people. Thank God, I asked questions when I did and watched him ref and all, but my cousins and their kids were pretty much not knowing about his ring life.It was all there for them to see and ask my father, but it isnt till now I am getting alot of interest when I posted his Boxrec thread.To them he was "Good ole' Uncle Charlie" who played softball at picnics and such family things.
My nephews 7 & 9 are watching his videos with great interest,though they dont know(understand) the rules of boxing.
All I am saying Frank, that the generations of Baltazars' that are to come should have something written down -you already have the pictures and videos of the many televised fights- take my word on this, like myself, there is never enough or unanswered questions that they might have decades from now.Fans and family are going to want to know what you and the boys had and "felt" on those days.Good and Bad. I experience it everyday.
I think I can speak for all of us here that we enjoy your posts very much. They are the best,and the experiences you share with us are great. Thank You.Rick is right in his saying that" historians and books cant match what we have up in our heads.Our lives are filled with experiences and should be noted for the future." The family I'm sure will treasure that in the decades to follow. Like for me, it keeps me young and I learn more each day.
Frankie Jr & Tony should be on board with also. Just suggesting, Frank-sincerely.

[Randyman]

Yes Charlie, I'm proud of the boy's ring accomplishments. They did them selves proud, I believe. Looking back now that we are at the end of our boxing journey all I can say is "man!! what a time we had". We met people and visit places thru boxing that other wise we would never had met or visit, we don't get around much anymore, but we are still meeting and making new friends thru boxing, plus staying in touch with old friends. All in all its been a hell of a ride....

Love your house....

You certainly have alot to be proud about. Can I make a suggestion Frank, and excuse me if I seem forward on this. If you, Frankie Jr, and Tony are not doing so already-may I suggest that this would be a great time to start jotting down a few paragraphs each about who,what,when, where and why about their fights. The children is what I have in mind here.
Also, the future grandchildren and beyond. Your experiences are worth alot and not in the dollar sense of it when it comes to family. Like my father,life is what it is and he never had the tendency to go around telling people about himself and his ring career. He was a humble guy with a hell of a story, with pictures and films to show people. Thank God, I asked questions when I did and watched him ref and all, but my cousins and their kids were pretty much not knowing about his ring life.It was all there for them to see and ask my father, but it isnt till now I am getting alot of interest when I posted his Boxrec thread.To them he was "Good ole' Uncle Charlie" who played softball at picnics and such family things.
My nephews 7 & 9 are watching his videos with great interest,though they dont know(understand) the rules of boxing.
All I am saying Frank, that the generations of Baltazars' that are to come should have something written down -you already have the pictures and videos of the many televised fights- take my word on this, like myself, there is never enough or unanswered questions that they might have decades from now.Fans and family are going to want to know what you and the boys had and "felt" on those days.Good and Bad. I experience it everyday.
I think I can speak for all of us here that we enjoy your posts very much. They are the best,and the experiences you share with us are great. Thank You.Rick is right in his saying that" historians and books cant match what we have up in our heads.Our lives are filled with experiences and should be noted for the future." The family I'm sure will treasure that in the decades to follow. Like for me, it keeps me young and I learn more each day.
Frankie Jr & Tony should be on board with also. Just suggesting, Frank-sincerely.

Well said Charlie, and I second that idea.

[THEHAMMER321]

Whats for lunch Randy, I am hungry.

[Randyman]

These are the items I picked up yesterday. I had to dig but I knew there would be something worth finding, there always is.


Joe Olivo, Ruben Castillo, Frankie Baltazar Jr and John Montes


A brief article about Alfonso Zamora's upcoming fight with Korean Soo Hwan Hong. Zamora won that fight on March 14, 1975 at the Forum, stopping him in the 4th round, winning the WBA World bantamweight title. Two years later,almost to the date and in the same arena, Carlos Zarate would stop Zamora in the 4th round.


Our very own Bobby Chacon


Joey Gimbra

[Randyman]

Whats for lunch Randy, I am hungry.

My wife is making beef enchiladas for an early dinner today.

[kikibalt]

Yes Charlie, I'm proud of the boy's ring accomplishments. They did them selves proud, I believe. Looking back now that we are at the end of our boxing journey all I can say is "man!! what a time we had". We met people and visit places thru boxing that other wise we would never had met or visit, we don't get around much anymore, but we are still meeting and making new friends thru boxing, plus staying in touch with old friends. All in all its been a hell of a ride....

Love your house....

You certainly have alot to be proud about. Can I make a suggestion Frank, and excuse me if I seem forward on this. If you, Frankie Jr, and Tony are not doing so already-may I suggest that this would be a great time to start jotting down a few paragraphs each about who,what,when, where and why about their fights. The children is what I have in mind here.
Also, the future grandchildren and beyond. Your experiences are worth alot and not in the dollar sense of it when it comes to family. Like my father,life is what it is and he never had the tendency to go around telling people about himself and his ring career. He was a humble guy with a hell of a story, with pictures and films to show people. Thank God, I asked questions when I did and watched him ref and all, but my cousins and their kids were pretty much not knowing about his ring life.It was all there for them to see and ask my father, but it isnt till now I am getting alot of interest when I posted his Boxrec thread.To them he was "Good ole' Uncle Charlie" who played softball at picnics and such family things.
My nephews 7 & 9 are watching his videos with great interest,though they dont know(understand) the rules of boxing.
All I am saying Frank, that the generations of Baltazars' that are to come should have something written down -you already have the pictures and videos of the many televised fights- take my word on this, like myself, there is never enough or unanswered questions that they might have decades from now.Fans and family are going to want to know what you and the boys had and "felt" on those days.Good and Bad. I experience it everyday.
I think I can speak for all of us here that we enjoy your posts very much. They are the best,and the experiences you share with us are great. Thank You.Rick is right in his saying that" historians and books cant match what we have up in our heads.Our lives are filled with experiences and should be noted for the future." The family I'm sure will treasure that in the decades to follow. Like for me, it keeps me young and I learn more each day.
Frankie Jr & Tony should be on board with also. Just suggesting, Frank-sincerely.

Thanks Charlie, I'm and have been writing my memories (boxing) for some time now. The boys and I don't talk much about our days in the game. When Frankie walked away from boxing, he did so for good, he will attend the CBHOF luncheon's only because I ask him to do so, Tony will talk about his career, but only when ask to do so. None of us have been the type to say, "Hey, look at us , we are the Batlazar's", just like Rick & Randy, we too are low-key about our part in Los Angeles boxing history. But like you say, it will be nice to leave something behind for the next generation of Baltazar's to read, that why I'm writing my memories, the boys I don't think will do so.

[Rick Farris]

Yes Charlie, I'm proud of the boy's ring accomplishments. They did them selves proud, I believe. Looking back now that we are at the end of our boxing journey all I can say is "man!! what a time we had". We met people and visit places thru boxing that other wise we would never had met or visit, we don't get around much anymore, but we are still meeting and making new friends thru boxing, plus staying in touch with old friends. All in all its been a hell of a ride....

Love your house....

You certainly have alot to be proud about. Can I make a suggestion Frank, and excuse me if I seem forward on this. If you, Frankie Jr, and Tony are not doing so already-may I suggest that this would be a great time to start jotting down a few paragraphs each about who,what,when, where and why about their fights. The children is what I have in mind here.
Also, the future grandchildren and beyond. Your experiences are worth alot and not in the dollar sense of it when it comes to family. Like my father,life is what it is and he never had the tendency to go around telling people about himself and his ring career. He was a humble guy with a hell of a story, with pictures and films to show people. Thank God, I asked questions when I did and watched him ref and all, but my cousins and their kids were pretty much not knowing about his ring life.It was all there for them to see and ask my father, but it isnt till now I am getting alot of interest when I posted his Boxrec thread.To them he was "Good ole' Uncle Charlie" who played softball at picnics and such family things.
My nephews 7 & 9 are watching his videos with great interest,though they dont know(understand) the rules of boxing.
All I am saying Frank, that the generations of Baltazars' that are to come should have something written down -you already have the pictures and videos of the many televised fights- take my word on this, like myself, there is never enough or unanswered questions that they might have decades from now.Fans and family are going to want to know what you and the boys had and "felt" on those days.Good and Bad. I experience it everyday.
I think I can speak for all of us here that we enjoy your posts very much. They are the best,and the experiences you share with us are great. Thank You.Rick is right in his saying that" historians and books cant match what we have up in our heads.Our lives are filled with experiences and should be noted for the future." The family I'm sure will treasure that in the decades to follow. Like for me, it keeps me young and I learn more each day.
Frankie Jr & Tony should be on board with also. Just suggesting, Frank-sincerely.

Thanks Charlie, I'm and have been writing my memories (boxing) for some time now. The boys and I don't talk much about our days in the game. When Frankie walked away from boxing, he did so for good, he will attend the CBHOF luncheon's only because I ask him to do so, Tony will talk about his career, but only when ask to do so. None of us have been the type to say, "Hey, look at us , we are the Batlazar's", just like Rick & Randy, we too are low-key about our part in Los Angeles boxing history. But like you say, it will be nice to leave something behind for the next generation of Baltazar's to read, that why I'm writing my memories, the boys I don't think will do so.

And what great memories you have, Frank.
And how lucky for me that our paths crossed once again after forty years.
Getting to know all of the guys that post here is one of the highlights of my life.
These friendships are as strong as I know. We all speak the same language.

[Rick Farris]

Yes Charlie, I'm proud of the boy's ring accomplishments. They did them selves proud, I believe. Looking back now that we are at the end of our boxing journey all I can say is "man!! what a time we had". We met people and visit places thru boxing that other wise we would never had met or visit, we don't get around much anymore, but we are still meeting and making new friends thru boxing, plus staying in touch with old friends. All in all its been a hell of a ride....

Love your house....

You certainly have alot to be proud about. Can I make a suggestion Frank, and excuse me if I seem forward on this. If you, Frankie Jr, and Tony are not doing so already-may I suggest that this would be a great time to start jotting down a few paragraphs each about who,what,when, where and why about their fights. The children is what I have in mind here.
Also, the future grandchildren and beyond. Your experiences are worth alot and not in the dollar sense of it when it comes to family. Like my father,life is what it is and he never had the tendency to go around telling people about himself and his ring career. He was a humble guy with a hell of a story, with pictures and films to show people. Thank God, I asked questions when I did and watched him ref and all, but my cousins and their kids were pretty much not knowing about his ring life.It was all there for them to see and ask my father, but it isnt till now I am getting alot of interest when I posted his Boxrec thread.To them he was "Good ole' Uncle Charlie" who played softball at picnics and such family things.
My nephews 7 & 9 are watching his videos with great interest,though they dont know(understand) the rules of boxing.
All I am saying Frank, that the generations of Baltazars' that are to come should have something written down -you already have the pictures and videos of the many televised fights- take my word on this, like myself, there is never enough or unanswered questions that they might have decades from now.Fans and family are going to want to know what you and the boys had and "felt" on those days.Good and Bad. I experience it everyday.
I think I can speak for all of us here that we enjoy your posts very much. They are the best,and the experiences you share with us are great. Thank You.Rick is right in his saying that" historians and books cant match what we have up in our heads.Our lives are filled with experiences and should be noted for the future." The family I'm sure will treasure that in the decades to follow. Like for me, it keeps me young and I learn more each day.
Frankie Jr & Tony should be on board with also. Just suggesting, Frank-sincerely.

Thanks Charlie, I'm and have been writing my memories (boxing) for some time now. The boys and I don't talk much about our days in the game. When Frankie walked away from boxing, he did so for good, he will attend the CBHOF luncheon's only because I ask him to do so, Tony will talk about his career, but only when ask to do so. None of us have been the type to say, "Hey, look at us , we are the Batlazar's", just like Rick & Randy, we too are low-key about our part in Los Angeles boxing history. But like you say, it will be nice to leave something behind for the next generation of Baltazar's to read, that why I'm writing my memories, the boys I don't think will do so.

And what great memories you have, Frank.
And how lucky for me that our paths crossed once again after forty years.
Getting to know all of the guys that post here is one of the highlights of my life.
These friendships are as strong as I know. We all speak the same language.

[kikibalt]

Watching "Viva Zapata" (1952) with Marlon Brando, Anthony and the beautiful Jean Peters on TCM. Great movie picture.

[Randyman]

After we left the Expo at the Convention Center, yesterday, we walked over to Shoreline Village and strolled the boardwalk. We stopped at Parker's Light House for lunch. I was going to take some photos of the food but my camera battery died out.


Shoreline Village


Shoreline Village-The Yard House Restaurant


Lion's Lighthouse, across the harbor from Shoreline Village


Parker's Lighthouse Restaurant, where Jeri and I had lunch


A view of the Queen Mary from our table

[raylawpc]

Randy, where exactly is that in LA? If Linda comes out to the CBHOF with me, I'd like to take her there. She loves harbor areas like that. It looks very scenic! (Maybe you and Jeri will go with us! )

[bennie]

I'm sorry I'm not much company at the moment. I'm missing my dog.

[Captain Hook]

One pillock on the British forum ranks Lennox Lewis, followed by Naz, as the greatest British fighter of all time.

He must have been born in the 90's.
They have no memory or knowledge of what happened before they took their first breath.
You don't hear such nonsense from the mouths of those who have something to remember.

I was born in 1977, I know my boxing and am entitled to an opinion.

If Lennox Lewis is not in the top 2/3 British fighters of all time then I'm afraid you're stuck in the past. Feel free to come and debate it on the thread rather than joining Bennie in throwing insults around.

[bennie]

One pillock on the British forum ranks Lennox Lewis, followed by Naz, as the greatest British fighter of all time.

He must have been born in the 90's.
They have no memory or knowledge of what happened before they took their first breath.
You don't hear such nonsense from the mouths of those who have something to remember.

I was born in 1977, I know my boxing and am entitled to an opinion.

If Lennox Lewis is not in the top 2/3 British fighters of all time then I'm afraid you're stuck in the past. Feel free to come and debate it on the thread rather than joining Bennie in throwing insults around.

Then I guess I'm stuck in the past.

[Captain Hook]

You certainly are Bennie. We'll agree to differ.

Condolences on the dog...

[bennie]

You certainly are Bennie. We'll agree to differ.

Condolences on the dog...

Ta, mate, I appreciate that.

[Captain Hook]

No problem pal, sounds like it's hit you hard, and little wonder. RIP....

[bennie]

I've lost five dogs now, and I think it gets worse as you get older.

[Rick Farris]

One pillock on the British forum ranks Lennox Lewis, followed by Naz, as the greatest British fighter of all time.

He must have been born in the 90's.
They have no memory or knowledge of what happened before they took their first breath.
You don't hear such nonsense from the mouths of those who have something to remember.

I was born in 1977, I know my boxing and am entitled to an opinion.

If Lennox Lewis is not in the top 2/3 British fighters of all time then I'm afraid you're stuck in the past. Feel free to come and debate it on the thread rather than joining Bennie in throwing insults around.

In 2009, as Chariman of the World Boxing Hall of Fame Selection Committee and the organization's historian, I put Lennox Lewis's name up for Hall of Fame induction.
He was a total gentleman, and I agree he's one of the greatest British boxers of recent times. Not one of three best of all-time.
Prince Naseem Hamed is an embarrassment in the overall scope of boxing history, and weak selection in comparison to any British champ of the past, mate.

I haven't time to throw insults, and we don't do that on this thread. You certainly have a right to your opinion and your favorites. If you wish to learn more about greatness in boxing please let me welcome you to this thread.