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CNorkusJr wrote:With all this talk about British fighters, I will defer to you guys who know much more about those British blokes of yesteryears than I ever will. But I do remember my father talking about one fellow he met briefly. While I was looking through his photo albums with my father, we came across a picture of my father talking to Paul Berlanbach "The Astoria Assassin" who came to an amateur fight of my dads back in 1948. Along with Mr Berlanbach my father said was a onetime British Isle Heavy Champ named Jack Peterson. My father said he didnt get to talk to Mr Peterson all that much, but rather exchanged pleasantries, and Mr Peterson wished my father well in his boxing career ahead. Jack was then diverted to a group of newspapermen nearby when a news man took a picture of Paul Berlanbach and my father, but Jack was too busy for the picture.
My father remembered him as taller and well built and carried a Champion's "aire" about him.
I dont know if Mr Berlanbach fought Mr Peterson ever,or what business they might of had together, but they came together for the night out.
Petersen was a beautiful man of a bygone era, Charley. Forget nostalgia, gentlemen like him don't exist in Britain any more (and probably anywhere else) and the big Welshman could also fight: he was British light-heavyweight and heavyweight champion by the age of 21, which speaks for itself, in the hungry 1930s.
Just three weeks after Jack's 15-round win over rugged Aussie George Cook in Cardiff in 1933, for which Jack required hospital treatment, Petersen took on the big-punching sensation of the day, Jack Doyle, in their infamous brawl at London's White City. Irishman Doyle, a charismatic licence to bed women and to sell tickets, found the occasion too much for him in front of 90,000 fans, went beserk with low blows, and was disqualified in the second round.
Doyle lived the rest of his life with alcoholism and sipphilus.
Petersen also overcame men such as Ben Foord, Walter Neusel, Len Harvey (in front of another 90,000), Larry Gains, Jock McAvoy and Reggie Meen, but surprise losses to Foord and Neusel in rematches cost him a 'natural' showdown with Tommy Farr, who was bitterly resentful of Jack's popularity. Farr was probably the only man who ever disliked Petersen, but even then, Petersen always spoke kindly of his Welsh rival.
Of course money breeds resentment, and Petersen earned masses when thousands (like Farr) worked down the pits without boots on, yet Petersen was modest, even shy, and shunned the London high life. Crowds of 50,000 would make their way to Ninian Park in Cardiff to watch his fights; traffic was literally brought to a halt in the city.
Make no mistake about it, Jack was popular because he was truly genuine, truly nice and because he could truly fight.
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Rick Farris wrote:Hey Paul . . .

I forwarded your post regarding Bernard Docusen to his daughter Patricia.
The Docusen's are a close knit family and I know they will appreciate reading your words regarding their father.
I know she will respond, and when she does, I'll post it here.

Thanks, Rick, for sharing that article with me. It was very kind of you to take the time to send that to me.

Pat
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kikibalt wrote: Rick, I remember that trip, just not sure what year it was, I was thinking more like '69's, not sure, but anyway all three of my boys fought that nite, Frankie lost to Bird legs, Bobby lost to the young Davila boy, and Tony, after 37 wins with out a lost, lost his first fight, as you can see, not a great nite for the Baltazar's... :lol: . The McDonalds thing was set up by a young guy, we were all young then.. :lol: , anyway this guy, I can't remember his name, he worked at a McDonalds in L.A., that's how he was able to set up our lunch in L.V.. He was not a boxing guy per se, he was working with Louie J. at the Teamsters Boys Club trying to learn boxing, sadly, he died at age 27 not long afterward. Also on that trip was Pete Avalos who at that time was the trainer of Rudy "Porky" Acuna, Pete rode with me and the boys in my '63 Chevy Super Sport..
It was '67 Frank. I know that for sure, I was 15.
In 1969, I was already fighting as a licensed amateur, and competed in the National GG's tourney in Kansas City, and the Nat'l AAU tourney in San Diego, both shortly after my 17th birthday. By the way, Albert Davila's younger brother's name was Armando. I remember Pete Avalos too. :TU: :OhYes:
Either way, it was a fun trip, though my boys lost they all had a great time in Vegas, first time for them in Vegas...

We were really lucky to have guys like yourself to make those trips possible.
Many of us saw Las Vegas for the first time, and we all fought, laughed, had a lot of fun.
And by the way, I lost too! :lol:
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kikibalt wrote: Charlie, I have to be honest and say that I have never heard of Angelo Curley...

Charlie . . . I have heard the name Angelo Curley, but it was from a long time ago and I can't tell you anything about him. Seems I read the name in boxing magazines from long ago, but can't say for sure.
Charlie, as I recall Angelo Curley was associated with the Fullmer brothers. I believe he trained the Fullmers whenever they came out to the East Coast for fights.
Thank You men. Tom, I think you jarred my memory a bit more on your reply. Quite a while ago,I sort of remember watching a video of one of the Fullmer Bros. fighting and there was mention of Angelo Curley in his corner.I kinda recollect that but it was brief and one of those things that I'm not sure of.I thank you sincerely as quite a few times you gotten me out of a deep barrel.My father rarely mentioned him to me but I remember my father mentioning him to my mother at times when I was very small. Funny, since I do know he stood up for me as my Godfather in 1957. It's possible because Angelo lived in Las Vegas by 1964 or maybe sooner, I didnt see or hear much about the man. Not a blood relative, The only thing I remember about him was that he was in the fight game, and of course good friends with my dad. My father has literally a treasure trove of 35mm slides from then that I must go through to see if any boxing people are in them. That will be sort of a "whats in Al Capone's safe" after all these years situation. Thanks again.
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bennie wrote:
CNorkusJr wrote:With all this talk about British fighters, I will defer to you guys who know much more about those British blokes of yesteryears than I ever will. But I do remember my father talking about one fellow he met briefly. While I was looking through his photo albums with my father, we came across a picture of my father talking to Paul Berlanbach "The Astoria Assassin" who came to an amateur fight of my dads back in 1948. Along with Mr Berlanbach my father said was a onetime British Isle Heavy Champ named Jack Peterson. My father said he didnt get to talk to Mr Peterson all that much, but rather exchanged pleasantries, and Mr Peterson wished my father well in his boxing career ahead. Jack was then diverted to a group of newspapermen nearby when a news man took a picture of Paul Berlanbach and my father, but Jack was too busy for the picture.
My father remembered him as taller and well built and carried a Champion's "aire" about him.
I dont know if Mr Berlanbach fought Mr Peterson ever,or what business they might of had together, but they came together for the night out.
Petersen was a beautiful man of a bygone era, Charley. Forget nostalgia, gentlemen like him don't exist in Britain any more (and probably anywhere else) and the big Welshman could also fight: he was British light-heavyweight and heavyweight champion by the age of 21, which speaks for itself, in the hungry 1930s.
Just three weeks after Jack's 15-round win over rugged Aussie George Cook in Cardiff in 1933, for which Jack required hospital treatment, Petersen took on the big-punching sensation of the day, Jack Doyle, in their infamous brawl at London's White City. Irishman Doyle, a charismatic licence to bed women and to sell tickets, found the occasion too much for him in front of 90,000 fans, went beserk with low blows, and was disqualified in the second round.
Doyle lived the rest of his life with alcoholism and sipphilus.
Petersen also overcame men such as Ben Foord, Walter Neusel, Len Harvey (in front of another 90,000), Larry Gains, Jock McAvoy and Reggie Meen, but surprise losses to Foord and Neusel in rematches cost him a 'natural' showdown with Tommy Farr, who was bitterly resentful of Jack's popularity. Farr was probably the only man who ever disliked Petersen, but even then, Petersen always spoke kindly of his Welsh rival.
Of course money breeds resentment, and Petersen earned masses when thousands (like Farr) worked down the pits without boots on, yet Petersen was modest, even shy, and shunned the London high life. Crowds of 50,000 would make their way to Ninian Park in Cardiff to watch his fights; traffic was literally brought to a halt in the city.
Make no mistake about it, Jack was popular because he was truly genuine, truly nice and because he could truly fight.
Thanks Bennie. Jack Peterson must have left a pretty good impression on my father at that time for him to remember meeting him ever so briefly.Since he was pulling in 50,000 to 90,000 people into his bouts, he must of have been quite a legend over there. My father said he had a champions "aire" about him, something that my father would say only in describing one of boxings elite in his opinion.
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Manchester's Luke "Tyson" Fury continues to climb the greasy pole when he takes on Brazil's Marcelo Nascimento in a good-looking clash of heavyweight prospects on a good-looking show at Wembley this Saturday, scheduled for 10 rounds.
The gigantic Fury, 13-0 (9), is coming along nicely after a scare against John McDermott in Brentwood in 2009 when he looked lucky to take a 10-round nod. Still a baby by heavyweight standards at 22, Fury showed guts under fire that evening but came back to stop McDermott in nine rounds last June, so he looks ready for Nascimento, who is much older at 30 but boxed only 13 times himself, all of them wins, 11 by stoppage.
Nascimento clearly whacks and comes off a first-round stoppage of Argentina's Gonzalo Basile in Argentina in October, but Fury whacks himself, is just as experienced (make that just as inexperienced) and probably the better boxer. Plus, he is at home, while Nascimento has never fought outside of South America.
Nevertheless, Nascimento looks useful and stands 6ft 5ins, so he will not be massively outsized in the mould of most of Fury's opponents. This is a fine match - two unbeaten Goliaths coming together.
Young Luke is my tip to outlast Nascimento.
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A mate of mine has no interest in boxing. He is confused by all the weights, the titles, the pre-fight rants, the staredowns, the bizarre ring entrances... Christ, I am confused!
However, he likes the ring girls, and the odd flutter, and to my mild amazement has stuck £50 on Frankie Gavin to win a world title as a pro, which I presume is a proper world title, one of four. Why? He read about Frankie as world amateur champion, nothing more, yet my indifferent mate could be on to a real winner as, this Saturday at York Hall, Frankie draws closer to a world title shot in his first 12-rounder against the established and downright dangerous Jason "The Power" Cook.
"Funtime" Frankie, a 25-year-old who turned pro just two years ago, faces a man who turned pro in October 1996 and held the European lightweight title in his pomp, a title he won by savage early knockout. Cook is now 35, and up at light-welterweight, but comes off a solid stoppage of fellow Welshman Barrie Jones - a southpaw like Gavin - and still clearly carries a dig, particularly in the early rounds of a fight. You know, in the last seven years, Cook has lost only to Gavin Rees, a former WBA light-welterweight champion (points). He held Lenny Daws to a bruising 12-round draw for the British light-welterweight title just last year, shaking Daws in the opening frames.
Make no mistake about it, Cook is a big ask of the developing Frankie. Yes, Frankie has charisma and quick hands, yes, he is slick and sharp-hitting, yes, he is a great counterpuncher and yes, he did so much as an amateur, but with a mere eight paid fights behind him (all wins), anything could happen on Saturday. After all, Cook has 31 fights behind him, 27 of them wins. Gavin really needs to box clever before stepping on the pedal against Cook, who took this fight at very late notice and will surely flag as the rounds progress, surely show his age.
Nevertheless, this match sums up the coming weekend for domestic boxing - a big match, a big weekend.
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bennie wrote:
CNorkusJr wrote:With all this talk about British fighters, I will defer to you guys who know much more about those British blokes of yesteryears than I ever will. But I do remember my father talking about one fellow he met briefly. While I was looking through his photo albums with my father, we came across a picture of my father talking to Paul Berlanbach "The Astoria Assassin" who came to an amateur fight of my dads back in 1948. Along with Mr Berlanbach my father said was a onetime British Isle Heavy Champ named Jack Peterson. My father said he didnt get to talk to Mr Peterson all that much, but rather exchanged pleasantries, and Mr Peterson wished my father well in his boxing career ahead. Jack was then diverted to a group of newspapermen nearby when a news man took a picture of Paul Berlanbach and my father, but Jack was too busy for the picture.
My father remembered him as taller and well built and carried a Champion's "aire" about him.
I dont know if Mr Berlanbach fought Mr Peterson ever,or what business they might of had together, but they came together for the night out.
Petersen was a beautiful man of a bygone era, Charley. Forget nostalgia, gentlemen like him don't exist in Britain any more (and probably anywhere else) and the big Welshman could also fight: he was British light-heavyweight and heavyweight champion by the age of 21, which speaks for itself, in the hungry 1930s.
Just three weeks after Jack's 15-round win over rugged Aussie George Cook in Cardiff in 1933, for which Jack required hospital treatment, Petersen took on the big-punching sensation of the day, Jack Doyle, in their infamous brawl at London's White City. Irishman Doyle, a charismatic licence to bed women and to sell tickets, found the occasion too much for him in front of 90,000 fans, went beserk with low blows, and was disqualified in the second round.
Doyle lived the rest of his life with alcoholism and sipphilus.
Petersen also overcame men such as Ben Foord, Walter Neusel, Len Harvey (in front of another 90,000), Larry Gains, Jock McAvoy and Reggie Meen, but surprise losses to Foord and Neusel in rematches cost him a 'natural' showdown with Tommy Farr, who was bitterly resentful of Jack's popularity. Farr was probably the only man who ever disliked Petersen, but even then, Petersen always spoke kindly of his Welsh rival.
Of course money breeds resentment, and Petersen earned masses when thousands (like Farr) worked down the pits without boots on, yet Petersen was modest, even shy, and shunned the London high life. Crowds of 50,000 would make their way to Ninian Park in Cardiff to watch his fights; traffic was literally brought to a halt in the city.
Make no mistake about it, Jack was popular because he was truly genuine, truly nice and because he could truly fight.
Jack Petersen was half Norwegian by the way,on his mothers side:TU:

Jack Petersen Marries:http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=6007

His hometown welcome, look at the lonsdale belt. that what a championship belt should be like:http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=2665

Peterson beats Gains:http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=5067
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Rick Farris wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Hey Paul . . .

I forwarded your post regarding Bernard Docusen to his daughter Patricia.
The Docusen's are a close knit family and I know they will appreciate reading your words regarding their father.
I know she will respond, and when she does, I'll post it here.

Thanks, Rick, for sharing that article with me. It was very kind of you to take the time to send that to me.

Pat
Rick, does the Docusen family still live in Louisiana ? , and I also remember my dad talking about Whitey Asnault who I believe trained Docusen as well as many New Orleans area fighters, maybe Patricia knows ?.
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THEHAMMER321 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Hey Paul . . .

I forwarded your post regarding Bernard Docusen to his daughter Patricia.
The Docusen's are a close knit family and I know they will appreciate reading your words regarding their father.
I know she will respond, and when she does, I'll post it here.

Thanks, Rick, for sharing that article with me. It was very kind of you to take the time to send that to me.

Pat
Rick, does the Docusen family still live in Louisiana ? , and I also remember my dad talking about Whitey Asnault who I believe trained Docusen as well as many New Orleans area fighters, maybe Patricia knows ?.
Paul, some of the Docusen's still live in New Orleans, Maxie I know does, Bernard Docusen lived in Michigan for years before his death, his daughter Pat and her family live in Colorado. Whitey Esneault I'm sure died years ago. Btw Pat has a book out on her dad, a bit steep at $50 bucks, but worth it if you like the Docusen's . I bought it....
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kikibalt wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Thanks, Rick, for sharing that article with me. It was very kind of you to take the time to send that to me.

Pat
Rick, does the Docusen family still live in Louisiana ? , and I also remember my dad talking about Whitey Asnault who I believe trained Docusen as well as many New Orleans area fighters, maybe Patricia knows ?.
Paul, some of the Docusen's still live in New Orleans, Maxie I know does, Bernard Docusen lived in Michigan for years before his death, his daughter Pat and her family live in Colorado. Whitey Esneault I'm sure died years ago. Btw Pat has a book out on her dad, a bit steep at $50 bucks, but worth it if you like the Docusen's . I bought it....
Thanks Frank, what is the name of the book ? .
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THEHAMMER321 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote: Rick, does the Docusen family still live in Louisiana ? , and I also remember my dad talking about Whitey Asnault who I believe trained Docusen as well as many New Orleans area fighters, maybe Patricia knows ?.
Paul, some of the Docusen's still live in New Orleans, Maxie I know does, Bernard Docusen lived in Michigan for years before his death, his daughter Pat and her family live in Colorado. Whitey Esneault I'm sure died years ago. Btw Pat has a book out on her dad, a bit steep at $50 bucks, but worth it if you like the Docusen's . I bought it....
Thanks Frank, what is the name of the book ? .
'Bernard Docusen
A Memoir
New Orleans
Amazing Filipino'
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Paul, if you want to buy one, I'll send you Pat's Email on a PM, let me know...
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Remember World Champ Andy Ganigan? He KOed Sean O'Grady to win the WBA Lightweight title and floored Alexis Arguello. He was one of my favorites. Here is a sad note, something I didn't know . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKcolWa4uww
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kikibalt wrote:Paul, if you want to buy one, I'll send you Pat's Email on a PM, let me know...
Frank I will let you know if I decide to buy one, thanks. :TU:
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Rick Farris wrote:Remember World Champ Andy Ganigan? He KOed Sean O'Grady to win the WBA Lightweight title and floored Alexis Arguello. He was one of my favorites. Here is a sad note, something I didn't know . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKcolWa4uww
I remember Ganigan, didn't see the O'Grady fight but remember reading about it,but I did see him floor Arguello, he was one of the hardest punching lightweights at that time along with Tony Baltazar, as a matter of fact in 1982 when ko magazine rated Tony the hardest hitting lightweight I believe Ganigan was the runner up.
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Bernie Docusen was a great fighter and it is told that many of his fights that he won were not officially recorded in the books.

Recently another very good and highly touted heavyweight from New Orleans Crowe Peele had a recent write up. This article was sent to me 2 days ago and I pass it on to you.
I do not know "Jackson" who issued a statement in the comments below. He is correct though in his information.Crowe Peele still lives in Louisiana.


http://digbatonrouge.com/article/a-lega ... n-time-10/
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CNorkusJr wrote:Bernie Docusen was a great fighter and it is told that many of his fights that he won were not officially recorded in the books.

Recently another very good and highly touted heavyweight from New Orleans Crowe Peele had a recent write up. This article was sent to me 2 days ago and I pass it on to you.
I do not know "Jackson" who issued a statement in the comments below. He is correct though in his information.Crowe Peele still lives in Louisiana.


http://digbatonrouge.com/article/a-lega ... n-time-10/
Thanks, Charlie for posting this,been reading it the last 10 minutes, I have nobody to ask about Peele, my father and my uncle were the boxing fans from New Orleans and they both passed away, I still have many relatives still living in Louisiana,I will try to think of someone who may remember him. :TU:
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THEHAMMER321 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Remember World Champ Andy Ganigan? He KOed Sean O'Grady to win the WBA Lightweight title and floored Alexis Arguello. He was one of my favorites. Here is a sad note, something I didn't know . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKcolWa4uww
I remember Ganigan, didn't see the O'Grady fight but remember reading about it,but I did see him floor Arguello, he was one of the hardest punching lightweights at that time along with Tony Baltazar, as a matter of fact in 1982 when ko magazine rated Tony the hardest hitting lightweight I believe Ganigan was the runner up.
I have tried my best to FORGET Andy Ganigan. :lol: :lol: Seriously speaking, I am sorry to hear about Ganigan's problems.
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raylawpc wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Remember World Champ Andy Ganigan? He KOed Sean O'Grady to win the WBA Lightweight title and floored Alexis Arguello. He was one of my favorites. Here is a sad note, something I didn't know . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKcolWa4uww
I remember Ganigan, didn't see the O'Grady fight but remember reading about it,but I did see him floor Arguello, he was one of the hardest punching lightweights at that time along with Tony Baltazar, as a matter of fact in 1982 when ko magazine rated Tony the hardest hitting lightweight I believe Ganigan was the runner up.
I have tried my best to FORGET Andy Ganigan. :lol: :lol: Seriously speaking, I am sorry to hear about Ganigan's problems.
Tom, can you tell me a little about Pat O'Grady's heavyweight Humphrey,was he a sideshow like the butterbean ?
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kikibalt wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:
kikibalt wrote: Paul, some of the Docusen's still live in New Orleans, Maxie I know does, Bernard Docusen lived in Michigan for years before his death, his daughter Pat and her family live in Colorado. Whitey Esneault I'm sure died years ago. Btw Pat has a book out on her dad, a bit steep at $50 bucks, but worth it if you like the Docusen's . I bought it....
Thanks Frank, what is the name of the book ? .
'Bernard Docusen
A Memoir
New Orleans
Amazing Filipino'
Speaking of books, Tom Lovgren, longtime Nebraska promoter, has written a pair of books about Ron Stander and the Hernandez brothers (Art, Ferd and Dale). I ordered them and look forward to reading them. If anyone is interested, I can PM the contact information.
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THEHAMMER321 wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote: I remember Ganigan, didn't see the O'Grady fight but remember reading about it,but I did see him floor Arguello, he was one of the hardest punching lightweights at that time along with Tony Baltazar, as a matter of fact in 1982 when ko magazine rated Tony the hardest hitting lightweight I believe Ganigan was the runner up.
I have tried my best to FORGET Andy Ganigan. :lol: :lol: Seriously speaking, I am sorry to hear about Ganigan's problems.
Tom, can you tell me a little about Pat O'Grady's heavyweight Humphrey,was he a sideshow like the butterbean ?
No, he was a serious fighter. I'm in Scottsdale, AZ today with my wife, and we just spent all day walking around at the Desert Botanical Garden, and all evening in Old Town Scottsdale. I'm pooped and heading to bed. I'll write more about Humphrey later.
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http://jalna.blogspot.com/2010/06/andy- ... 82010.html


This upset me at the time and still does. Andy was attacked from behind while drunk, like Siki and Quiroga, so he never had a chance. Anyone attacking from the front would have been kayoed - one shot.
I hope Andy has quality of life and he certainly has plenty of good friends. You know, Jimmy Wilde was mugged by a gang of cowardly scum on a Cardiff railway platform in 1965 when he was in his seventies. He never recovered and died a few years later. It's unbelievable.
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This just came to me in e-mail from Patricia Docusen, in response to Paul's inquiry:
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Hi Rick,

My Uncle Maxie lives in Louisiana. My dad's oldest brother, Regino, lives in Michigan along with his youngest brother, Chuck. My dad's middle brother lives part-time in Seattle and Florida. Most of the Docusens, though, live in Michigan. I'm the only one who lives in Colorado.

All of the books have been sold except for a few that are left -- but they are spoken for. I did sell them at $50 since they were hard-bound and my dad signed each one individually. I am thinking about having more printed but cheaply done as a spiral book, but the content would be the same.

Whitey Esneault died a long time ago. I called him Uncle Whitey since he was my godfather. He always sent me a gift at Christmas.

I hope this was helpful, Rick.

Pat Docusen Maddox
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More from Patricia Docusen:
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Rick,

My dad loved Mr. Whitey and he told me that he regretted going with his other managers. He said he should have stayed with Mr. Whitey since he taught him everything about boxing and always looked out for him. He said that in some fights that he lost, Mr. Whitey would throw the towel in and stop the fight so that my dad wouldn't get hurt. He would then analyze the fight and later tell my dad that he would get a rematch and that dad would then beat him -- he was always right. He was FAIR and HONEST with my dad and NEVER cheated my dad out of any money like his other managers did. My dad said he was a good man. Dad told me before he died that one day he felt so bad about leaving Mr. Whitey that he cried over it. Mr. Whitey was like his second father.
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