The Highly Official Come On Fernando Montiel Mega-thread!!!!

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Right. Time to once again nail my colours to the mast. The unified WBC/WBO Bantamweight champion, Fernando Montiel, is older, slower, shorter, less athletic, & probably doesn't hit as hard as Nonito Donaire. The Filipino former flyweight champion looks to be about eleven feet tall, puts on about seventeen stone between the weigh-in & the fight, knocked Vic Darchinyan spark out with one punch, switches adroitly from orthodox to southpaw & is being hyped by our friends across the pond as Pacquiao-meets-Tommy-Hearns on adrenochrome extracted from the corpses of dead robo-dinosaurs. Or something.

On one hand this looks simply like a changing of the guard fight: Montiel the box-puncher has been around seemingly forever, quietly fvcked about for years ninnying around winning WBO belts at fly & super-fly, lost in his first big test to Too Sharp Johnson when Mark was about sixty years old, then just couldn't deal with the size & power of Jhonny "Don't call me Johnny" Gonzalez in a bantamweight title fight. But he's had a bit of a renaissance, flattening fellow Mexican champ Martin Castillo in three, knocking out the likes of perma-challenger Rafael Concepcion, then last year went to Japan & beat consensus Number One in the division Hozumi Hasegawa, the southpaw counter-puncher for the WBC belt. A left hook broke Hasegawa's jaw & a follow-up barrage nearly took the Japanese fighter's head off. He patiently waited for an opportunity, then switched from orthodox to a kind of squared-up southpaw stance to land the big shot. His footwork, though slowed by age, looked Bernard Hopkins-smart in that fight, as if he knew exactly what he was doing & how he was going to do it. A masterful confluence of timing, body angle & foot placement. He looked like he'd watched Hasegawa like a hawk & practised exactly this move a thousand times in the gym.

Now Montiel faces Donaire, who scarily looks & fights a bit like Amir Khan if Amir could knock people out with one punch: he doesn't flurry wildly with six/seven shots, he lets go two or three at a time & they have "Goodnight" written all over them. Actually, his footwork is a lot more solid & less hyperactive than Khan's as well. Hmm. Maybe he's a bit more like a much-quicker switch-hitting Juan Manuel Lopez, then? Tall, devastating hitter... Actually, that's a good comparison because Donaire throws his hook really short from the shoulder. & also, now I come to think about it, he doesn't ever move his head, either, which is also something that Lopez doesn't do. Donaire is able to lead & switch attacks effectively, though, so he's not really like Lopez who cannot throw a power shot unless he's in an exchange.

Bugger it. What I will say is that the weird herky-jerky aggressive counter-puncher style of Montiel & the size & power of Donaire makes this resemble, to my mind, Rafa Marquez vs JuanMa Lopez. & I don't think the older Mexican can realistically turn the tide, & will probably get beaten down in eight rounds after savagely rocking the Filipino once or twice. Then Donaire will move up again & get KTFO'd by someone his own size.

However, to show my support for Fernando, here's why I'd like Montiel to win:-

1) He wears hotpants, under his boxing shorts.

2) From Japan, he took home the WBC/WBO titles, fourteen different trophies & a year's supply of tentacle porn (it was a true Japanese unification fight).

3) His strange "ponce around with your hands low then suddenly leap in with big punches" style pleases me.

4) He's over thirty. We must stick together.

5) Richard "The Secret" Williams.

6) Boxers who are physical marvels relative to their weight class (& who don't do anything much that special beyond that) annoy me, & as I said Donaire has no defence other than skipping backwards & forwards at high speed. It would please me to see him duck a right cross then lollop gaily into a big left hook.

7) It's my day off, & I had nothing better to do than make this thread.

8.) If he wins, I guarantee he'll make some crazy bug-eyed expression like in the second picture, below.

That is all.

WAR MONTIEL!

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Small point - The Japanese boxing board don't recognise the WBO, so only the WBC title was at stake.

I'd like Montiel to win, then fight Nishioka up at 122.

It's a big ask against Donaire.
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I now want Montiel to win. Just for you, Datsue.
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haha, fvck, outstanding work, Dats :TU: :bow:
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haha

The Japanese sure do have some weird porn, that's not even up for debate.
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there's something familiar in the OP.....
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montiel hasn't always performed on the big stage (jhonny gonzalez and mark johnson). he almost threw it away vs z gorres, also, a fight in which he couldn't start fighting until almost too late. it depends how willing to get stuck in montiel is, following a couple of impressive KO wins. the win over hasegawa was impressive, but was as much to do with hasegawa boiling his skeleton down to 118-pounds (indeed, the japanese fighter made an impressive leap up TWO weight classes in his next fight...)

both fighters are temperamental so i wouldn't be surprised by a dull fencing match that kills off interest in a rematch and keeps both off premium TV dates.
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Counter-puncher wrote:there's something familiar in the OP.....
Yah. I'm doing a series after the "Highly Official Come on Juan Manuel Marquez Megathread" went down so well last year.

Though that one had more intricately groomed facial hair, more aspersions cast on the subject's sexuality & less tentacle porn. So, you know.

@ 'Barn: bollocks did Hasegawa's weight-making have anything to do with that result. How does not boiling down eight pounds stop you getting your jaw shattered?
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aah, that'll be it :TU:

re the broken jaw, i never could tell which shot it was exactly that broke the jaw. i mean, if the initial left hook did it, then the followup would presumably have had Hasegawa's jaw fragments exploding inside his mouth with each shot. I dunno. but yeah. doesn't really mean its apropos of his weightmaking difficulties.
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I like Fernando Montiel, but I also like Nonito Donaire. If I had to pick one, I'd root for Donaire, but in general I'm just really looking forward to the fight. Both boxers have styles I enjoy watching.
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Datsue wrote:
Counter-puncher wrote:there's something familiar in the OP.....
Yah. I'm doing a series after the "Highly Official Come on Juan Manuel Marquez Megathread" went down so well last year.

Though that one had more intricately groomed facial hair, more aspersions cast on the subject's sexuality & less tentacle porn. So, you know.

@ 'Barn: bollocks did Hasegawa's weight-making have anything to do with that result. How does not boiling down eight pounds stop you getting your jaw shattered?
i'd been saying for 2 years that hasegawa was putting himself at risk. hasegawa weakening himself, montiel gaining some strength with the move up in weight. hozumi just didn't have the fight in him that he used to at 118 and weight making can drain a fighter and detract from his ability to take apunch. i feel this happened to hasegawa, in a fight he'd been dominating.

i know you want to celebrate montiel, but there are lots of factors at play, and as i see it hasegawa and his team deserved the setback for campaigning at bantamweight for too long. he got hit with a harder left uppercut by the much bigger and heavier (than montiel) juan carlos burgos and despite beign hurt, hasegawa was able to rally magnificently.

montiel had to win, it was his night, and i'm glad because he actually fulfilled some of his talent, and put hasegawa on the right path (featherweight title).
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Autobarn wrote: i'd been saying for 2 years that hasegawa was putting himself at risk. hasegawa weakening himself, montiel gaining some strength with the move up in weight. hozumi just didn't have the fight in him that he used to at 118 and weight making can drain a fighter and detract from his ability to take apunch. i feel this happened to hasegawa, in a fight he'd been dominating.

i know you want to celebrate montiel, but there are lots of factors at play, and as i see it hasegawa and his team deserved the setback for campaigning at bantamweight for too long. he got hit with a harder left uppercut by the much bigger and heavier (than montiel) juan carlos burgos and despite beign hurt, hasegawa was able to rally magnificently.

montiel had to win, it was his night, and i'm glad because he actually fulfilled some of his talent, and put hasegawa on the right path (featherweight title).
Okay... I'll ask again & make it explicit. Are you saying that Hasegawa's jaw broke (go look this up, please, it's a matter of public record, he had to go to hospital to have it wired back together) because he had to make weight?
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you two boys just get along now :shame:
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Wow, you made me look forward to this even more. I look forward to your next day off, terrific thread!
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best fight of the year so far, really hope donaire wins :OhYes:
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I dont agree with what did I read about Montiel here. First of all I am a Filipino fan of Mexican boxers, I do believe that Mexican boxers are tougher than Filipino boxers. As a fan of Montiel, I still believe he can pull a win over our countryman Donaire by KO or UD. Donaire hasn't faced a boxer as tough and slick as Montiel, Montiel has power on both hands, and punches with accuracy and also a thinking boxer. As of Donaire, he has power and handspeed too, but the question is that, Donaire, had a hard time dealing with Rafael Concepcion, which Montiel KO'd in 4 rounds.

Here's the records of both boxers:

Height Win Loss KO's Reach
Donaire - 5'6" 28 1 17 67"
Montiel - 5'4" 1/2 44 2 34 64" 1/2
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nuclearfist78 wrote:I dont agree with what did I read about Montiel here. First of all I am a Filipino fan of Mexican boxers, I do believe that Mexican boxers are tougher than Filipino boxers. As a fan of Montiel, I still believe he can pull a win over our countryman Donaire by KO or UD. Donaire hasn't faced a boxer as tough and slick as Montiel, Montiel has power on both hands, and punches with accuracy and also a thinking boxer. As of Donaire, he has power and handspeed too, but the question is that, Donaire, had a hard time dealing with Rafael Concepcion, which Montiel KO'd in 4 rounds.

Here's the records of both boxers:

Height Win Loss KO's Reach
Donaire - 5'6" 28 1 17 67"
Montiel - 5'4" 1/2 44 2 34 64" 1/2
because of the way they both are defensively lax, tend to sway away from shots with hands down etc, i could see either man getting iced in this one. alternatively a boring standoff, just to cover all bases.
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Any UK tv for this?
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Nope. Top Rank wanted too much.
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Datsue wrote:Right. Time to once again nail my colours to the mast. The unified WBC/WBO Bantamweight champion, Fernando Montiel, is older, slower, shorter, less athletic, & probably doesn't hit as hard as Nonito Donaire. The Filipino former flyweight champion looks to be about eleven feet tall, puts on about seventeen stone between the weigh-in & the fight, knocked Vic Darchinyan spark out with one punch, switches adroitly from orthodox to southpaw & is being hyped by our friends across the pond as Pacquiao-meets-Tommy-Hearns on adrenochrome extracted from the corpses of dead robo-dinosaurs. Or something.

On one hand this looks simply like a changing of the guard fight: Montiel the box-puncher has been around seemingly forever, quietly fvcked about for years ninnying around winning WBO belts at fly & super-fly, lost in his first big test to Too Sharp Johnson when Mark was about sixty years old, then just couldn't deal with the size & power of Jhonny "Don't call me Johnny" Gonzalez in a bantamweight title fight. But he's had a bit of a renaissance, flattening fellow Mexican champ Martin Castillo in three, knocking out the likes of perma-challenger Rafael Concepcion, then last year went to Japan & beat consensus Number One in the division Hozumi Hasegawa, the southpaw counter-puncher for the WBC belt. A left hook broke Hasegawa's jaw & a follow-up barrage nearly took the Japanese fighter's head off. He patiently waited for an opportunity, then switched from orthodox to a kind of squared-up southpaw stance to land the big shot. His footwork, though slowed by age, looked Bernard Hopkins-smart in that fight, as if he knew exactly what he was doing & how he was going to do it. A masterful confluence of timing, body angle & foot placement. He looked like he'd watched Hasegawa like a hawk & practised exactly this move a thousand times in the gym.

Now Montiel faces Donaire, who scarily looks & fights a bit like Amir Khan if Amir could knock people out with one punch: he doesn't flurry wildly with six/seven shots, he lets go two or three at a time & they have "Goodnight" written all over them. Actually, his footwork is a lot more solid & less hyperactive than Khan's as well. Hmm. Maybe he's a bit more like a much-quicker switch-hitting Juan Manuel Lopez, then? Tall, devastating hitter... Actually, that's a good comparison because Donaire throws his hook really short from the shoulder. & also, now I come to think about it, he doesn't ever move his head, either, which is also something that Lopez doesn't do. Donaire is able to lead & switch attacks effectively, though, so he's not really like Lopez who cannot throw a power shot unless he's in an exchange.

Bugger it. What I will say is that the weird herky-jerky aggressive counter-puncher style of Montiel & the size & power of Donaire makes this resemble, to my mind, Rafa Marquez vs JuanMa Lopez. & I don't think the older Mexican can realistically turn the tide, & will probably get beaten down in eight rounds after savagely rocking the Filipino once or twice. Then Donaire will move up again & get KTFO'd by someone his own size.

However, to show my support for Fernando, here's why I'd like Montiel to win:-

1) He wears hotpants, under his boxing shorts.

2) From Japan, he took home the WBC/WBO titles, fourteen different trophies & a year's supply of tentacle porn (it was a true Japanese unification fight).

3) His strange "ponce around with your hands low then suddenly leap in with big punches" style pleases me.

4) He's over thirty. We must stick together.

5) Richard "The Secret" Williams.

6) Boxers who are physical marvels relative to their weight class (& who don't do anything much that special beyond that) annoy me, & as I said Donaire has no defence other than skipping backwards & forwards at high speed. It would please me to see him duck a right cross then lollop gaily into a big left hook.

7) It's my day off, & I had nothing better to do than make this thread.

8.) If he wins, I guarantee he'll make some crazy bug-eyed expression like in the second picture, below.

That is all.

WAR MONTIEL!

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I'm ashamed to admit I've only seen Montiel in his last three but seen Donaire a few times and the Flash seems to hold all the aces..
The hook that Ferdy smashed the Japanese fighter was devastating :bag:

'Adroit' 'Hotpants' 'tentatacle porn' and 'bug eyes' lol nice post
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Anyone know who Unca Graham's gone for?
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I've got to go with the Filipino flash, but it looks a 50/50 fight near enough. Donaire just looks such a massive puncher - the way he took out the very tough Russian ex champ last time was eye poppin stuff. I've never seen the Russian troubled before, yet he looked totally shocked by the weight of Nonito's punches. And of course, anyone who despatches the fearsome Vic Darchinyan has obviously got the Right Stuff.

Bloody shame plank heads at sky passed on this - be great if anyone could post a link here for tomorrow, so we can watch it the next day without knowing result :bow:
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Fvck it. Technical deficiencies cost Mr Montiel severely there.

Great left hook from Nonito, though. The boy's for real, all right.

:bow: Mr Donaire.
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How the hell did Montiel manage to get up after that first KD? Superb performance by Donaire really class act
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Watching it again, it did make me smile the way Roy went "Ooh, there ya go" as the left hook clattered Montiel's head about six inches right of where it was supposed to be.

Fvck knows how Montiel got up from that. The bicycling on the canvas was kinda scary, too.
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