Audley v Robert Davis this Thursday

Chopping Right · Post by **Chopping Right** » 10 Jun 2005, 17:52

Well, looked like business as usual from Audley to me - same result, same occasional flashes of class, same long periods of inactivity, same frustrations, same speech at the end.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 10 Jun 2005, 21:00

yeah it was the same alright.

we now have enough information on audley to dismiss his chances, IMO.

The flashes of what he can do were so infrequent as to be inconsequential. he just doesn't have the workrate to win at the highest level.

As Darke said, infuriating.

jeej · Post by **jeej** » 11 Jun 2005, 03:23

I haven't seen this fight, but I've seen him fight the same in others and it's very frustrating. You just want him to put combos together and lay into his opponent, but he rarely will. Is he just scared of being put on his arse or something?

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 11 Jun 2005, 05:42

Apparently Audrey injured his ankle two weeks before the fight, and had to stop running. It was only him who wanted the fight to go ahead for Thursday.

Frustrating really has to be the word to some this guy up. His power is fine. Nothing spectacular for his size, but just fine. More speed would help the effectiveness of it, and I've yet to see Audrey really go hammer and tongs at someone without stopping. If and when he steps up to someone like Brock or Peter, he's not going to have the time to wait around for half a round looking for an oppening.

How long do you think he spent working out that finishing combination?
"He Aud, how you gnna finish your next opponent off?"
"Well first I'm going to give him a quick left jab, then another quick left. Then, just to shock him, I'll hit him with a left or two. If that goes well, I'll try another left. If it doesn't, I'll have to go back to the 'ol left-left combination. Then, just for a bit of variety, I'll try a left if I have the time."

Fighting again in August is the plan.

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 11 Jun 2005, 06:31

Chopping Right wrote:Well, looked like business as usual from Audley to me - same result, same occasional flashes of class, same long periods of inactivity, same frustrations, same speech at the end.

Sounds like Howard Eastman!

Could almost see Audley losing a world title fight in similar fashion to Eastman v Hopkins.

Can someone explain to me why some boxers through so few punches?
I can't believe it is lack of fitness.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 11 Jun 2005, 06:51

Matchfixer wrote:
Chopping Right wrote:Well, looked like business as usual from Audley to me - same result, same occasional flashes of class, same long periods of inactivity, same frustrations, same speech at the end.
Sounds like Howard Eastman!

Could almost see Audley losing a world title fight in similar fashion to Eastman v Hopkins.

Can someone explain to me why some boxers through so few punches?
I can't believe it is lack of fitness.

It's to do with fear of getting hit and you usually see it when they move up in levels. Eastman is a good example. He started getting countered with that left hook - fell for it over and over - couldn't come up with a solution and ended up putting himself in a shell (even if he didn't realise it). The same thing happened sometime around round 3 of his fight with Joppy. He got a little perplexed by the quality of opponent and it put him into a shell both times.

Same thing happened with Corrales when he fought Mayweather - that nice jab and the footwork of Floyd got him thinking a bit too much, and he went into a shell, just marching forward, being unable to see the openings.

With Audley it might be a bit different, but I can't really comment because last night was the first time I've saw a full fight of his since staying up and watching the Olympics. Didn't impress me there (in the sense I didn't think he would be a good pro), and he didn't impress last night either. Am a bit glad people are saying following him has been infuriating, because I've deliberately missed pretty much all the ebbs and flows of his career so far, and it doesn't look like I've missed much.

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 11 Jun 2005, 08:15

I`m glad somebody else picked he doesn`t like to get hit.
No boxer does really but its part of the game, Audley grimaces when a shot comes even close...never a good sign

He isn`t a puncher by a long shot, because he caught Davis flush a couple of times and Davis just didn`t hardly flinch, the knock-down was down to getting his legs in a tangle and the stoppage was his footwork again because the `punch` that set him on his way through the ropes landed on the shoulder.

Last night just confirmed once again he will get beaten by the first real test he meets, any boxer 16stone plus who has got determination will beat him, I`m more convinced of Skeltons chances, he`s crude but he`d be too much for Harrison.

Just got to add that Johnny Nelson does an excellent job for Sky, especially when McGuigan isn`t there to interupt him

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 11 Jun 2005, 08:17

An ok performance for a rusty Harrison I thought, but like many have already said seems as ever to lack 'fire'.

I have often thought his reluctance to stand and trade punches and have a higher workrate are due to the following.

Either

(1) Thinks too much.
(2) Lack of confidence in his own stamina.
(3) Worried if he 'roughes it up' he might pick up another injury.

Chopping Right · Post by **Chopping Right** » 11 Jun 2005, 08:18

tonyevs wrote:Just got to add that Johnny Nelson does an excellent job for Sky, especially when McGuigan isn`t there to interupt him

Agreed. I'd like to see Johnny trialed as what the Americans call the "colour" commentator (no pun intended) alongside Ian Darke.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 11 Jun 2005, 08:21

Yes, Johnny Nelson is a great addition to the SKY Boxing team.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 11 Jun 2005, 08:34

Has he always clinched like that? Reminded me of Lennox Lewis in many ways - draping those long arms over the biceps of the opponent. Didn't like when Lennox did it, and don't like it with Harrison. Just adds to the perception that they're scared of it getting rough in there.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 11 Jun 2005, 08:36

Chopping Right wrote:
tonyevs wrote:Just got to add that Johnny Nelson does an excellent job for Sky, especially when McGuigan isn`t there to interupt him
Agreed. I'd like to see Johnny trialed as what the Americans call the "colour" commentator (no pun intended) alongside Ian Darke.

Barry used to do the colour commentating on those probox shows. He talked a lot, which wasn't necessarily a bad thing, but if you think Jim Watt's 'moaning' tone is annoying, think how Barry's 'squeeking' would sound.

8)

I like him where he is, to be honest.

DK2112 · Post by **DK2112** » 11 Jun 2005, 12:45

Audley has always been a lazy fighter and he will never change. He obviously has the ability to mix it with decent contenders but it's just a case of is he bothered to show it? He could have had Davis out in a few rounds if he'd wanted to but for at least 2 rounds he threw absolutely nothing at Davis and just stood there at distance for minutes on end. The booing was totally deserved.

For that boxing predictions site though I predicted Harrison RSF 7 though so I'm pleased about that.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » 11 Jun 2005, 15:35

DK2112 wrote:For that boxing predictions site though I predicted Harrison RSF 7 though so I'm pleased about that.

Same here. I also picked Pickering in 10. Whooooooo! Top of the league, here i come!

DK2112 · Post by **DK2112** » 11 Jun 2005, 16:05

Argh! I went for Pickering KO 9

Chesney_Chambers · Post by **Chesney_Chambers** » 12 Jun 2005, 13:19

Spreadking wrote:Audley kept waiting to counter and his opponent never threw anything. I mean this went on for 1 or 2 minutes in a row. A good fighter wouldn't wait that long without throwing a punch. He needed to take the lead sometime.

That sums it up perfectly, he should have initiated more attacks when Davis wouldn't. Audley is predominantly a counter-puncher which makes him look lazy when he fights an opponent who doesn't throw much, but when he gets an opponent that comes after him he ups his work rate (see the Matthew Ellis fight)

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 12 Jun 2005, 16:12

I think he looked ok. It seemed to me like he was trying to get rounds under his belt, which seems to be a good idea to me if he is going to be making a significant push soon.

I also think he tends to get drawn into fighting to the level and workrate of the opponent. He is naturally cautious.

I think when he fights the likes of Brock or Peter they will pressurise him which I think may bring out the best of him and he'll obviously be made to work harder.

I would not discount his chances against either of them.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 12 Jun 2005, 16:32

I was surprised that Johnny Nelson layed into Audley so much after the fight, not that i am complaining, i like Nelson and dislike Audley so i was happy all round. Harrison has no urgency and no intention of initiating an attack, it's all very well fighting in such a timid manner against the Robert Davis's of this world but when (and this is a big when) he steps up in class, somewhere around 2025 i think he will have a nasty surprise when his opponent fires back constantly. Audley has no stamina and no work ethic, he is just plain lazy...living in his deluded little world of self promotion and third person terminology. Having back slapping yes men and women on his team just adds to the dillusion.

Audley should really have been in the ring with the other guy on the card...Malcolm Tann, that is the type of Boxer he should be in with. I thought when SKY announced they were showing the fight they were going to pick up the pieces left over from the BBC and give Audley a bit of a hype-up with a view to showing him in the future but in reality it just gave Ian Darke and co a license to pick his flaws and expose his weaknesses...it was great

Chopping Right · Post by **Chopping Right** » 12 Jun 2005, 16:42

steve689 wrote:...living in his deluded little world of self promotion and third person terminology.

I blame Lennox for a lot of what Audley is doing, this third-party nonsense being the biggest giveaway. I'm sure Lennox is the role model that Audley has tried to adopt completely - the way he talks, the frustrating cautiousness, the disregard for public opinion, the complete self-belief in going his own way. The big difference though is that 5 years after his Gold medal days Lennox had consolidated his boasts by picking up the British, Commonwealth, European and WBC titles and beating a useful bunch of opponents in the process. Audley is talking the same talk, but definitely lacking the walk.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 12 Jun 2005, 16:43

Wonder when that Tann is going to step it up. I've seen him a few times and every time it descends into a wild swinging slugfest. I'd like to see him and someone like Clay Bey get it on.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 13 Jun 2005, 04:16

Chopping Right wrote:
steve689 wrote:...living in his deluded little world of self promotion and third person terminology.

I blame Lennox for a lot of what Audley is doing, this third-party nonsense being the biggest giveaway. I'm sure Lennox is the role model that Audley has tried to adopt completely - the way he talks, the frustrating cautiousness, the disregard for public opinion, the complete self-belief in going his own way. The big difference though is that 5 years after his Gold medal days Lennox had consolidated his boasts by picking up the British, Commonwealth, European and WBC titles and beating a useful bunch of opponents in the process. Audley is talking the same talk, but definitely lacking the walk.

I can't think of a better role model to have. Audley is gonna be stepping it up now, so lets just wait 6 months and see how he does in his next 2 contests, before we claim that he isn't 'walking the walk'

Chopping Right · Post by **Chopping Right** » 13 Jun 2005, 04:44

Chambers2 wrote:I can't think of a better role model to have. Audley is gonna be stepping it up now, so lets just wait 6 months and see how he does in his next 2 contests, before we claim that he isn't 'walking the walk'

I agree that Lennox is an ideal role model, but he also got on with his career while he was doing his own thing. In his first 5 years he had beaten Gary Mason, Mike Weaver, Glenn McCrory, Tyrell Biggs, Derek Williams, Razor Ruddock, Tony Tucker and Frank Bruno. After 5 years I think we've done plenty of waiting on Audley and are entitled to level some criticism at the guy. I wrote to Boxing News to defend the guy in 2001, but 4 years later the excuses are wearing a bit thin. Based on his Olympic form he could have beaten Robert Davis on his professional debut back then, now even a guy he totally outclassed in Sydney is the European champion and Audley has barely cracked domestic level.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 13 Jun 2005, 06:04

Chopping Right wrote:
Chambers2 wrote:I can't think of a better role model to have. Audley is gonna be stepping it up now, so lets just wait 6 months and see how he does in his next 2 contests, before we claim that he isn't 'walking the walk'
I agree that Lennox is an ideal role model, but he also got on with his career while he was doing his own thing. In his first 5 years he had beaten Gary Mason, Mike Weaver, Glenn McCrory, Tyrell Biggs, Derek Williams, Razor Ruddock, Tony Tucker and Frank Bruno. After 5 years I think we've done plenty of waiting on Audley and are entitled to level some criticism at the guy. I wrote to Boxing News to defend the guy in 2001, but 4 years later the excuses are wearing a bit thin. Based on his Olympic form he could have beaten Robert Davis on his professional debut back then, now even a guy he totally outclassed in Sydney is the European champion and Audley has barely cracked domestic level.

In fairness Audley has lost 2 of the 5 years to injuries, I'm sure if he now has 2 injury free years the comparison will look alot different. The only reason that Audley isn't domestic champion is boxing politics IMO

Audley gets far too much criticsm and alot of it is from people who only look at the story from one side. Know matter what Audley does there are certain people who will criticise him

Chopping Right · Post by **Chopping Right** » 13 Jun 2005, 06:29

Chambers2 wrote:Audley gets far too much criticsm and alot of it is from people who only look at the story from one side. Know matter what Audley does there are certain people who will criticise him

Well I certainly won't be one of those, I was a big believer after Sydney but my confidence in him has waned over the past 2 years. I definitely think he could have been a little more ambitious, but I know he couldn't fight for the GB title because of promotional problems. That shouldn't have stopped him picking some better opponents though. I think there was too much worrying about what their statistical records would look like to the regular BBC viewer, so he ended up fighting unbeaten guys like Richel Hersisia when fights with other guys with worse records would have taught him more. I think I'm more annoyed with him than anything for reaching nearly 34 and having done so little, but I'll be the first to praise him if he starts making decent progress this year.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 13 Jun 2005, 06:44

Chopping Right wrote:
Chambers2 wrote:Audley gets far too much criticsm and alot of it is from people who only look at the story from one side. Know matter what Audley does there are certain people who will criticise him
Well I certainly won't be one of those, I was a big believer after Sydney but my confidence in him has waned over the past 2 years. I definitely think he could have been a little more ambitious, but I know he couldn't fight for the GB title because of promotional problems. That shouldn't have stopped him picking some better opponents though. I think there was too much worrying about what their statistical records would look like to the regular BBC viewer, so he ended up fighting unbeaten guys like Richel Hersisia when fights with other guys with worse records would have taught him more. I think I'm more annoyed with him than anything for reaching nearly 34 and having done so little, but I'll be the first to praise him if he starts making decent progress this year.

Audley chose to go a different route than most prospects by fighting people such as Hersisa and Bonin instead of fighting over the hill Americans, but Hersisa and Bonin were decent opponents for 15th nad 17th opponents (especially Bonin), they both came to fight and with ambition, neither were there as punchbags