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kikibalt wrote:James and Veronica are on their way to LAX to catch a plane to New York.

"New York Bound"
Sounds good. Hopefully they brought along a heavy coat- 39 degrees right now- expect rain or possible snow Sunday into Monday. Nothing heavy. Heavy rains got rid of the excess snow over the last few days- but a cold front is now in.
Yeah, Charlie, The wife and I seen them this morning (4:00 AM) as they were leaving for LAX, and they were pretty well bundle up, they looked like they were going to, well, New York!!!.. :OhYes:
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raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Jerry Quarry's first loss, Eddie Machen, 1966 . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih-nNCUu ... re=related

Here's the story on the former top heavyweight contender, Eddie Machen, a guy who was a clever boxer, a true vet.
He was on a comeback of sorts in 1966. He lost a decision to Mexican champ, Manuel Ramos. He was arrested later that night on a DUI.
A few weeks later he upsets unbeaten local favorite, Joey Orbillo. His next match is with Quarry, the other unbeaten L.A. heavyweight prospect.
Jerry was getting cocky, this is a fact. He under estimated Machen, and you can see what happened.
Here's a young guy who didn't underestimate Machen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkGqmjTA ... re=related
I don't think Machen was arrested for DUI, he was stopped alright, but when the cop told Machen that he looked drunk, Machen told him, "you would looked drunk too; if you had just gone ten rounds with the Mexican heavyweight champion", I heard the cop let Machen go....
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Does anyone here remember who the sparring partners were of Colombian heavyweight Bernardo Mercado when he was being trained by Willie Ketchum at the Main Street Gym in Los Angeles around 1975-1976?
Did he spar with Pedro Lovell?
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raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Jerry Quarry's first loss, Eddie Machen, 1966 . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih-nNCUu ... re=related

Here's the story on the former top heavyweight contender, Eddie Machen, a guy who was a clever boxer, a true vet.
He was on a comeback of sorts in 1966. He lost a decision to Mexican champ, Manuel Ramos. He was arrested later that night on a DUI.
A few weeks later he upsets unbeaten local favorite, Joey Orbillo. His next match is with Quarry, the other unbeaten L.A. heavyweight prospect.
Jerry was getting cocky, this is a fact. He under estimated Machen, and you can see what happened.
Here's a young guy who didn't underestimate Machen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkGqmjTA ... re=related

Very true, Tom. We saw that fight live here in L.A. at the Olympic.
I give Machen a lot of credit for hanging in with the brutal Frazier to the last round.
After upsetting Orbillo & Quarry, Machen was pretty long in the tooth when he stepped in with Smokin Joe in an "off-TV" main event.
Frazier had three fights at the Olympic, this was his third. I'll never forget this exciting fight.
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Brutu wrote:Does anyone here remember who the sparring partners were of Colombian heavyweight Bernardo Mercado when he was being trained by Willie Ketchum at the Main Street Gym in Los Angeles around 1975-1976?
Did he spar with Pedro Lovell?
I don't know who Marcado sparred with, however, during those same years my friend Al "Kit" Boursse' sparred often with Lovell at Main Street.
I would say that there is a very good chance they did work together as I recall Lovell working with many heavyweights in the gym.
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bennie wrote:Bring it on! That's the message from David Haye and the seriously shrewd Adam Booth as they loom closer to a unification showdown with the younger of the two Klitschko sisters, Wladimir, possibly as close as July this year, and an exact date of July 2 has been bandied about, possibly in Germany.
Haye and Klitschko nearly squared off in Germany in the summer of 2009, with Haye a heavyweight novice, but Haye twigged his back in training and that let in Uzbekistani southpaw Ruslan Chagaev, who could barely move himself after a complete tear of his Achilles tendon a little earlier, and Chagaev stood there and took it for nine bloody, one-sided rounds until his corner belatedly said "no mas." A few months later, also in Germany, Haye showed good movement to outscore Russian mammoth Nikolai Valuev to wrest the WBA heavyweight title, so he did exactly the right thing in pulling out and it wasn't his time, anyway, his time to potentially topple Klitschko.
Boxing is still all about timing, and Britain's "Hayemaker" and a Pole by the name of Tomasz Adamek are creeping up on Klitschko after 15 pro years on the Klitschko clock (and 58 fights). Klitschko was to defend his IBF and WBO heavyweight belts against Adamek in Poland in September - the deal was done, they said - but maybe a tricky 'away' assignment against a fine boxer with a fine chin but with no world belt persuaded the huge Klitschko to accept Haye instead, who wears the WBA belt of course and a 'chinny' label after Carl Thompson stopped him in five rounds in their cruiserweight days in 2004 when Haye was still learning (and still growing).
Klitschko obviously feels he can do the same to the smaller Haye and what he's done to dozens of other heavyweights in a 'nothing' era for the division for many, many years. On this note, Wladimir defends his belts in April in Germany against Britain's Dereck Chisora (ironically), a 14-fight pro who has never even topped a bill here. Say no more.
Nevertheless, in the ring, Klitschko is clinical, clever, mature, strong, superbly conditioned, brilliantly trained and extremely heavy handed. Outside of it, he also lives the life, so at 34, four years older than Haye, he is not worn out and, at an impressive 55-3 (49), has not lost since he ran out of steam against "Relentless" Lamon Brewster in the States in April 2004 and was stopped in five rounds. He fought Brewster again a few years later, by which time his stamina was no longer in question, if not his chin, and banged him up in six unpleasant rounds.
As for that chin, Wladimir is definitely more vulnerable than Vitali, which makes him much the better choice for the quick, dynamic Haye at this stage of Haye's heavyweight development, and we should not forget that the charismatic Londoner has boxed only five times at the weight (all wins, four early, and he's scored 13 knockdowns). If nothing else, Haye stands a puncher's chance, a serious puncher's chance, against Wladimir, particularly in the early rounds when Wlad is warming into a rhythm, and he needs to box to a rhythm, so if Haye can rush him, take him out of his stride and nail him, we could have ourselves a sensational heavyweight. Speed and power are the keys to a Haye victory here; I cannot see him outboxing Wlad.
Ultimately, Wladimir Klitschko is no Audley Harrison, who folded in three rounds against Haye in November. A win over the Ukrainian giant is a big, big ask of Haye.
It won't take much to beat Klitschko, one good shot and he'll fold like a big dog.
Hope that Haye gets the opportunity to throw that bomb and he lands it.
The bully factor is very much a part the game of Eastern European heavyweights, they don't bring much else besides a large frame into the action.
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Rick Farris wrote:
Brutu wrote:Does anyone here remember who the sparring partners were of Colombian heavyweight Bernardo Mercado when he was being trained by Willie Ketchum at the Main Street Gym in Los Angeles around 1975-1976?
Did he spar with Pedro Lovell?
I don't know who Marcado sparred with, however, during those same years my friend Al "Kit" Boursse' sparred often with Lovell at Main Street.
I would say that there is a very good chance they did work together as I recall Lovell working with many heavyweights in the gym.
Is it known if Oscar Bonavena had sparred with either Lovell or Mercado at the Main Street Gym around that time 1975-early 1976.
I know Mercado had been Bonavena's sparring partner in Reno Nevada in the Spring of 1976(Mercado also had a fight on the undercard
at Reno).
When Earnie Shavers was being trained by Ketchum around 1972 at the Main Street Gym,
Shavers had a serious sparring session with
Mac Foster who had came down from San Diego to train,then Foster went back to San Diego after that sparring session.
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Give the guy some respect he's always in condition & does have a ram rod jam that most have found difficult to get by, a couple of rounds eating that then the big hook comes over & it's usually good night, robotic the Klitschko's maybe but their records stand up well.If Haye can get inside the jab & the leading foot then his power may be enough but it's a very big ask
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I for one will be hoping for a Klitchko win....
Atleast the Klits carries themselves like champs.

Haye's got a big mouth and doesent back it up. He barely got by Valuev (by not doing anything :witzend: )
His beat up of Ruiz was a decent win but not a great one and a win against bum Harrison should really not warrant the hype he is getting.
The heavyweight division is so thin its transparent :witzend:

Just my opinion.
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After breakfast, Connie said: "Lets clean house" "Ah don't feel good" said I, "Po' baby, go lay down; maybe you'll feel better" said Connie , so I am in bed while Connie cleans house....
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kikibalt wrote:After breakfast, Connie said: "Lets clean house" "Ah don't feel good" said I, "Po' baby, go lay down; maybe you'll feel better" said Connie , so I am in bed while Connie cleans house....
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Brutu wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Brutu wrote:Does anyone here remember who the sparring partners were of Colombian heavyweight Bernardo Mercado when he was being trained by Willie Ketchum at the Main Street Gym in Los Angeles around 1975-1976?
Did he spar with Pedro Lovell?
I don't know who Marcado sparred with, however, during those same years my friend Al "Kit" Boursse' sparred often with Lovell at Main Street.
I would say that there is a very good chance they did work together as I recall Lovell working with many heavyweights in the gym.
Is it known if Oscar Bonavena had sparred with either Lovell or Mercado at the Main Street Gym around that time 1975-early 1976.
I know Mercado had been Bonavena's sparring partner in Reno Nevada in the Spring of 1976(Mercado also had a fight on the undercard
at Reno).
When Earnie Shavers was being trained by Ketchum around 1972 at the Main Street Gym,
Shavers had a serious sparring session with
Mac Foster who had came down from San Diego to train,then Foster went back to San Diego after that sparring session.
Foster hailed from Fresno which is north of Los Angeles. San Diego is south. Foster was managed briefly by Johnny Flores in the early 70's, after Quarry and Flores split company.
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Rick Farris wrote:
Brutu wrote:
Rick Farris wrote: I don't know who Marcado sparred with, however, during those same years my friend Al "Kit" Boursse' sparred often with Lovell at Main Street.
I would say that there is a very good chance they did work together as I recall Lovell working with many heavyweights in the gym.
Is it known if Oscar Bonavena had sparred with either Lovell or Mercado at the Main Street Gym around that time 1975-early 1976.
I know Mercado had been Bonavena's sparring partner in Reno Nevada in the Spring of 1976(Mercado also had a fight on the undercard
at Reno).
When Earnie Shavers was being trained by Ketchum around 1972 at the Main Street Gym,
Shavers had a serious sparring session with
Mac Foster who had came down from San Diego to train,then Foster went back to San Diego after that sparring session.
Foster hailed from Fresno which is north of Los Angeles. San Diego is south. Foster was managed briefly by Johnny Flores in the early 70's, after Quarry and Flores split company.
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Panzerfaust wrote:I for one will be hoping for a Klitchko win....
Atleast the Klits carries themselves like champs.

Haye's got a big mouth and doesent back it up. He barely got by Valuev (by not doing anything :witzend: )
His beat up of Ruiz was a decent win but not a great one and a win against bum Harrison should really not warrant the hype he is getting.
The heavyweight division is so thin its transparent :witzend:

Just my opinion.

I have to agree that David Haye would be a poor substitue for the boring Klitschkos. He is no more the type of boxer I would like to see as heavyweight champ than I do the K brothers. All are bad, and with no heavyweight on earth understanding basic principles of boxing, the K boys get by with their lack of talent. I'll continue to post videos of past heavyweights who had the heart to fight and the talent. It's all we have today, memories.
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Sonny Liston vs. Roy Harris - 1960 . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYA4qt-LBmA
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Rick, did your grandfather ever work with Humphrey Bogart? and if so , what was the general perception of him in the buisness? was he as cool in real life as on screen?
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Sonny Liston vs George ''Scrap iron'' Johnson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY24J3dtoXY

Ive always been facinated by guys like Scrap iron . teak tough journeymen..

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=115&cat=boxer
more than a few good names on his rec list :bow: :bow:
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Panzerfaust wrote:Sonny Liston vs George ''Scrap iron'' Johnson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY24J3dtoXY

Ive always been facinated by guys like Scrap iron . teak tough journeymen..

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=115&cat=boxer
more than a few good names on his rec list :bow: :bow:
George Raft "Scrap Iron" Johnson was well known to us who watched boxing in L.A. during the 60's.
It was said his father owned a Scrap Yard in Oklahoma, and was a fan of actor George Raft, thus his namesake.
As a kid George worked in the scrap yard where he tossed around scrap iron, which one day would be his ring name.
He always came forward and always remained on his feet, that is except when he was matched with unbeaten Jerry Quarry.
Quarry unloaded a two punch combo onto the chin of Scrap Iron, sending across the ring spinning before falling to the canvas for the full ten count.
He would later fight Frazier (who couldn't stop Scrap Iron), Liston, and so many others.
I recall him training at the Hoover Street Gym, sparring with guys like Joey Orbillo, Jimmy Harriman, Boss Man Jones, to name a few.
The last I heard of Scrap Iron he was doing good. Mando Ramos had stayed in touch with Johnson.
Frank may know more about him?
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Panzerfaust wrote:Rick, did your grandfather ever work with Humphrey Bogart? and if so , what was the general perception of him in the buisness? was he as cool in real life as on screen?
Bogie . . .

Yes, on several occasions. He knew both Humphrey Bogart and wife Lauren Bacall, and they knew him. "The African Queen" was one I can name, and there were others.
I was 16 when my grandfather passed away. But when I told my Grandmother I was working with Lauren Bacall, she told me about my grandfather and Bogart.
"They used to drink together," my Grandmother told me. She said my Grandfather liked Humphrey Bogart and boasted of how he'd lit Bacall's close-ups.
She had great bone structure.
My Grandfather was under contract to Warner Bros. and at the same time so was Bogie.
Years later, in 1979, I worked with Lauren Bacall on a "Rockford Files" episode.
We called her "Betty", her real name, and she told me a memory she had of my Grandfather.
By the way, "Betty" told me that Bogart was a big boxing fan and that they regularly attended boxing at the Hollywood Legion and Olymopic Auditiorium.
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Lloyd Marshall vs. Freddie Mills . . .

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The Freddie Mills Story (documentary)

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Some great British boxing history can be found in this video.
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The reason Floyd Mayweather Jr. is such a defensive fighter is that he's afraid to get hit.
He knows that Pacquiao will hit him, often. For this reason they will never fight.
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