Thanks, Charlie. The Goossen family has earned their place in boxing history.CNorkusJr wrote:Just coming onto the computer now and saw that Greg Goosen passed. Before you told of his life, I figured he was a boxer with California roots. I thought to myself that the Mets had a catcher back in the 60's who was named Greg Goosen. but I didnt think it was the same man.
When it was mentioned that it was he who played baseball- I immediately remembered seeing him play at Shea stadium with the MEts (I am a lifelong Mets fan since 1965) when my father took me to my first baseball game.
From my 1968 Mets yearbook. 1967 didnt have a bio on him-just a picture with Jerry grote who was their # 1 catcher in those days.I have as much Mets memorabilia as I do Boxing.
Bottom left-right Phil Linz, Jerry Buchek
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Minter is still cut.
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''The miracle Mets '' , I was in a used book store about 1990 when I came across a book titled ''The miracle Mets'' about the 1969 Mets , I bought the book which I am not sure I still have but will look for , was Greg on the 1969 team ? .
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Rafael Ruelas , I remember watching his fight with a journeyman fighter named Mauro Gutierrez , at the time Rafael was unbeaten and was expected to beat Gutierrez , but in the second round Gutierrez knocks Ruelas down and it looks like Ruelas is gonna rise at nine but loses track of the count and rises a split second late and is counted out , it reminds me of the Jerry Quarry versus George Chavalo fight I got to see on YOUTUBE last year . 
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What happened ???THEHAMMER321 wrote:Rafael Ruelas , I remember watching his fight with a journeyman fighter named Mauro Gutierrez , at the time Rafael was unbeaten and was expected to beat Gutierrez , but in the second round Gutierrez knocks Ruelas down and it looks like Ruelas is gonna rise at nine but loses track of the count and rises a split second late and is counted out , it reminds me of the Jerry Quarry versus George Chavalo fight I got to see on YOUTUBE last year .
Rafael did lose to Gutierrez before the Paez fight. I was sitting close to the ring that night at the Country Club in Reseda.
Gutierrez rocked Rafa several times, just had one of those styles he couldn't get over that night. The loss made me question Rafa's toughness.
He took a good shot, but I didn't think he was hurt bad enough not to get up.
He had his mind about him, because I saw him look right over to Joe Goossen in the corner. He was looking at Joe when the ref counted him out.
However, he would comeback strong. A year later he'd shut Gutierrez out in a ten rounder.
Ruelas had a severe balance problem. His brother Gabe had a solid balance, not Rafael who was taller.
The story of the Ruelas brothers and the Goossen family is one of the best of it's era in L.A. boxing. The Goossens brought boxing to the Valley once a month.
They also created three legitimate world champions from scratch. They started at the bottom of the barrel, but in due course they'd be on top.
Joe Goossen has a few critics, but he also has three world champions that he helped develop from their first pro bout to a world championship. Freddy Roach has none.
I was close to the Goossen's as a result of my friendship with actor Victor French. I watched the rise of Michael Nunn & the Ruelas boys up close from the start.
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Two Of The Greatest Qualities In Life:
Patience
and
Wisdom.
Patience
and
Wisdom.
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THEHAMMER321 wrote:''The miracle Mets '' , I was in a used book store about 1990 when I came across a book titled ''The miracle Mets'' about the 1969 Mets , I bought the book which I am not sure I still have but will look for , was Greg on the 1969 team ? .
No, Greg was not on the 1969 Mets. Jerry Grote had the starting job sewn up because he worked so well with young fireball ace Tom Seaver. (Nolan Ryan was primarily a relief pitcher in 1969, but got in a few starts as well then also).
They needed a back up catcher who was a little more reliable with the bat than Greg, and with Hodges feeling that the Mets were on the edge of having winning season, waived Greg and brought in JC Martin, and Duffy Dyer to take turns catching with Grote.
As young as I was, I do remember Greg Goossen getting a nice hand when he got on base for them when he did play. I also remember Greg Goossen coming back to Shea to play in Mets oldtimers games every once in awhile. Unfortunely, he along with a hundred other former Mets like Tommy Davis, Ron Hunt,Ken Boyer,Roy McMillan and such was always foreshadowed by the 69' Amazin Mets Team players.
By the way, Greg did end up playing more games as a first baseman with the Mets and with his career than as a catcher, with a few trips to the outfield too.
His best year was with the Seattle Piliots in 1969, batting .309 in 52 starts, mostly at 1B.
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The Goosen Family were instrumental in sparking interest in a new generation of kids that would lace up the gloves and step into the ring. The 80's were good years for boxing that saw many boxers gain exposure via the Goosen Family. I remember watching Ten Goose boxers fight at the Country Club in Reseda, exciting times for the Goosens. RIP Greg.Rick Farris wrote:What happened ???THEHAMMER321 wrote:Rafael Ruelas , I remember watching his fight with a journeyman fighter named Mauro Gutierrez , at the time Rafael was unbeaten and was expected to beat Gutierrez , but in the second round Gutierrez knocks Ruelas down and it looks like Ruelas is gonna rise at nine but loses track of the count and rises a split second late and is counted out , it reminds me of the Jerry Quarry versus George Chavalo fight I got to see on YOUTUBE last year .
Rafael did lose to Gutierrez before the Paez fight. I was sitting close to the ring that night at the Country Club in Reseda.
Gutierrez rocked Rafa several times, just had one of those styles he couldn't get over that night. The loss made me question Rafa's toughness.
He took a good shot, but I didn't think he was hurt bad enough not to get up.
He had his mind about him, because I saw him look right over to Joe Goossen in the corner. He was looking at Joe when the ref counted him out.
However, he would comeback strong. A year later he'd shut Gutierrez out in a ten rounder.
Ruelas had a severe balance problem. His brother Gabe had a solid balance, not Rafael who was taller.
The story of the Ruelas brothers and the Goossen family is one of the best of it's era in L.A. boxing. The Goossens brought boxing to the Valley once a month.
They also created three legitimate world champions from scratch. They started at the bottom of the barrel, but in due course they'd be on top.
Joe Goossen has a few critics, but he also has three world champions that he helped develop from their first pro bout to a world championship. Freddy Roach has none.
I was close to the Goossen's as a result of my friendship with actor Victor French. I watched the rise of Michael Nunn & the Ruelas boys up close from the start.
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Thats an awesome story rick. Like I said before, to watch these kids get their start and go to the top is a great feeling. Nunn was a tough kid.
I thought his fights for the Middlewt crown with Frank Tate & Iran Barkley were his best.
When he moved up to Lt Heavy -I thought it was a bit much for him, but he handled it pretty well. But a top Middlewt. -just my opinion.
I cant believe he messed around with all that shit and is now looking at a long stretch.
I thought his fights for the Middlewt crown with Frank Tate & Iran Barkley were his best.
When he moved up to Lt Heavy -I thought it was a bit much for him, but he handled it pretty well. But a top Middlewt. -just my opinion.
I cant believe he messed around with all that shit and is now looking at a long stretch.
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Talk of a drooling domestic showdown between John Murray and Kevin Mitchell remains just talk as Murray defends his European lightweight title against Spain's Karim El Ouazghari at York Hall on April 2.
Manchester's Murray has just signed a promotional deal with F rank Warren (who also promotes Mitchell) and looks to have a big future at still only 26, an unblemished record of 30-0 (18) to boot. Trained by the excellent Joe Gallagher, Murray is clever and relentless in a boxing ring, a bit of a slow starter and a bit cut-prone, but once he slips into gear, he is all-action, all-aggression, all-punishing. Murray lifted the major European belt last May with a bruising late stoppage of Cardiff dangerman Gary Buckland at Widnes and saw off seasoned Ukrainian Andriy Kudryavtsev in nine impressive rounds in Wigan in his first defence in September. He had previously cruised to a Lonsdale Belt outright as an outstanding British lightweight champion.
To the little-known El Ouazghari, who has won his last six fights (four early) since Daniel Rasilla stopped him in four rounds for the Spanish lightweight title in April 2008. Rasilla later moved up to light-welterweight and gave Paul McCloskey a decent scrap in Ireland for the European light-welterweight title (stopped in nine rounds), so you can't really knock El Ouazghari, who came back to lift the Spanish lightweight belt last year in his native Barcelona with a second-round knockout of Jesus Garcia Simon, a man he had previously drawn with, and retained against Jorge Lohoba on a unanimous 10-round decision last time out in November. Rasilla remains the only man to beat the visitor.
Nevertheless, at 11-1-2 (4), the 31-year-old El Ouazghari comes over to showcase the talents of Murray for bigger and better fights ahead, and you get the feeling that Murray-Mitchell will happen once Mitchell gets over his mini-sulk. El Ouazghari has never fought outside of Spain before but looks solid and capable enough to take Murray into the middle-to-later rounds before the referee has seen enough.
Manchester's Murray has just signed a promotional deal with F rank Warren (who also promotes Mitchell) and looks to have a big future at still only 26, an unblemished record of 30-0 (18) to boot. Trained by the excellent Joe Gallagher, Murray is clever and relentless in a boxing ring, a bit of a slow starter and a bit cut-prone, but once he slips into gear, he is all-action, all-aggression, all-punishing. Murray lifted the major European belt last May with a bruising late stoppage of Cardiff dangerman Gary Buckland at Widnes and saw off seasoned Ukrainian Andriy Kudryavtsev in nine impressive rounds in Wigan in his first defence in September. He had previously cruised to a Lonsdale Belt outright as an outstanding British lightweight champion.
To the little-known El Ouazghari, who has won his last six fights (four early) since Daniel Rasilla stopped him in four rounds for the Spanish lightweight title in April 2008. Rasilla later moved up to light-welterweight and gave Paul McCloskey a decent scrap in Ireland for the European light-welterweight title (stopped in nine rounds), so you can't really knock El Ouazghari, who came back to lift the Spanish lightweight belt last year in his native Barcelona with a second-round knockout of Jesus Garcia Simon, a man he had previously drawn with, and retained against Jorge Lohoba on a unanimous 10-round decision last time out in November. Rasilla remains the only man to beat the visitor.
Nevertheless, at 11-1-2 (4), the 31-year-old El Ouazghari comes over to showcase the talents of Murray for bigger and better fights ahead, and you get the feeling that Murray-Mitchell will happen once Mitchell gets over his mini-sulk. El Ouazghari has never fought outside of Spain before but looks solid and capable enough to take Murray into the middle-to-later rounds before the referee has seen enough.
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CNorkusJr wrote:Thats an awesome story rick. Like I said before, to watch these kids get their start and go to the top is a great feeling. Nunn was a tough kid.
I thought his fights for the Middlewt crown with Frank Tate & Iran Barkley were his best.
When he moved up to Lt Heavy -I thought it was a bit much for him, but he handled it pretty well. But a top Middlewt. -just my opinion.
I cant believe he messed around with all that shit and is now looking at a long stretch.
Charlie . . . Until winning the title, Michael Nunn was the most dedicated of boxers. I was at a number of private get togethers when Nunn was present and he'd never take a sip of alcohol. After winning the title, he bgan to hang out with his old friends from Davenport, Iowa. Most were gang bangers from his youth. Soon Nunn was having problems with contracts, his loyalty to the Goossens disappeared and he was suddenly just another fighter. At one point, Sugar Ray Leonard avoided facing Nunn in the ring. Ray had already secured his legacy with a win over Hagler and there was no way he wanted to face Nunn a couple years later. That was a smart move on Leonard's part, he wouldn't have matched up well against Michael Nunn, especially late in Ray's career. Leonard had to have all the edges before signing to fight and with Nunn he had nothing going for him. I heard he is more than half way thru a twenty year sentence for cocaine distribution. Another sad waste of potential in boxing.
Gotta head to work. I was up at 2:45am, worked out, just finished my coffee and it's time to leave. Have a great day guys!
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Nunn wasted his talent. He looked dynamite when he beat Frank Tate for the IBF middleweight title but, like a lot of new world champions, he suddenly believed he had done it all himself and chose the path to self-destruction. I remember one of his defences, I think the Starling one, where he swapped trainers per round. It was embarrassing and stupid.Rick Farris wrote:CNorkusJr wrote:Thats an awesome story rick. Like I said before, to watch these kids get their start and go to the top is a great feeling. Nunn was a tough kid.
I thought his fights for the Middlewt crown with Frank Tate & Iran Barkley were his best.
When he moved up to Lt Heavy -I thought it was a bit much for him, but he handled it pretty well. But a top Middlewt. -just my opinion.
I cant believe he messed around with all that shit and is now looking at a long stretch.
Charlie . . . Until winning the title, Michael Nunn was the most dedicated of boxers. I was at a number of private get togethers when Nunn was present and he'd never take a sip of alcohol. After winning the title, he bgan to hang out with his old friends from Davenport, Iowa. Most were gang bangers from his youth. Soon Nunn was having problems with contracts, his loyalty to the Goossens disappeared and he was suddenly just another fighter. At one point, Sugar Ray Leonard avoided facing Nunn in the ring. Ray had already secured his legacy with a win over Hagler and there was no way he wanted to face Nunn a couple years later. That was a smart move on Leonard's part, he wouldn't have matched up well against Michael Nunn, especially late in Ray's career. Leonard had to have all the edges before signing to fight and with Nunn he had nothing going for him. I heard he is more than half way thru a twenty year sentence for cocaine distribution. Another sad waste of potential in boxing.
Gotta head to work. I was up at 2:45am, worked out, just finished my coffee and it's time to leave. Have a great day guys!
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Boxing night at Wrigley Field (LA), circa 1940.
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Indiana evening Gazzette 1930-
Magnus ''Wolf'' Larsen dead
NEW YORK july 9.
Magnus ''Wolf'' Larsen , one time opponent of Gene Tunney,
winner over Battling Siki in 1919, and once an amateur light heavyweight
champion of America, is dead today after two years of life in jails, breadlines,missions
and hospitals. He was 30 when he died.
''Fine man when he was right'' John Olsen of the bethesda mission said.
''Cook, night watchman ,capenter and handyman he was for four months until last
new years eve when he went of again, I saw a fellow he hit the night before he went to the hospital
and the fellow was still bent over, a cripple''.
That was the Wolf Larsen of the New York waterfronts.
''He won many a decision ,but more of them were against cops than against prizefighters''
Tom O'Rourke and IM Buckley who once managed the Wolf recalled.
''When his freight scooner touched Holland back in 1919 He allready had a reputation aboard ship,
He was matched with the senegalese Battling Siki-and won the decision in 10 rounds.
Then he came to New York studied reading, writng and arithmetics, As if they'd help him along in the world and became
amateur champion of this class in America.
''He got by on the reputation he made in his fight with Siki-Noone realized that both he an Siki would end their lives in the gutter.
And The Wolf got ambitious, he wanted exitement and he got it. He fought Gene Tunney in 1922 and
the figh ended with Larsen cut to ribbons.
From then on Wolf's life was one of enjoyment.
He fought as a second rater
spending his purses as soon as he won them, In the ports of Buffalo , Detroit,the Soo,Milwaukee and chicago as he touched
them as he shipped in the summer as a great lakes seaman.
Fibe years ago he had become a punching bag, bloated face ,cauliflower ears.
He became the playboy of the Red Hook district of Brooklyn a man of 40 in apperance.
His pranks became legend among the youngsters of the district.
Once he satole a horse and wagon,drove them to the pawnbroker's shop and tried to cash in on them.
Once he tried the same trick with a bicycle and again he straddled a fish peddlars pony in the italian market.
The pony wouldn’t
budge. Wolf picked it up and carried it under his arm. "I thought he was a
calf," Wolf told the police.
In 1929, he watched two fellows attempt to break into a speakeasy and was
sympathetic so he tried to help them. He was slashed from ear to mouth, but in
two weeks was about again.
That same year he was offered $75 for a fight in New England, accepted and
when he thought the referee tried to trip him, he floored the referee and fled
the town with a thousand fight fans at his heels.
One time he knocked a man through the wooden walls of the Columbia avenue
subway station. He broke three ribs for another fellow in a single blow. And
after walloping six assailants, he somersaulted their sedan just for good
measure.
But last fall, he joined the mission and Tuesday he died "punch drunk."
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Chris Finnegan vs. Johnny Frankham (2nd_meeting).
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The Rise & Fall of Michael Nunn . . .bennie wrote:Nunn wasted his talent. He looked dynamite when he beat Frank Tate for the IBF middleweight title but, like a lot of new world champions, he suddenly believed he had done it all himself and chose the path to self-destruction. I remember one of his defences, I think the Starling one, where he swapped trainers per round. It was embarrassing and stupid.Rick Farris wrote:CNorkusJr wrote:Thats an awesome story rick. Like I said before, to watch these kids get their start and go to the top is a great feeling. Nunn was a tough kid.
I thought his fights for the Middlewt crown with Frank Tate & Iran Barkley were his best.
When he moved up to Lt Heavy -I thought it was a bit much for him, but he handled it pretty well. But a top Middlewt. -just my opinion.
I cant believe he messed around with all that shit and is now looking at a long stretch.
Charlie . . . Until winning the title, Michael Nunn was the most dedicated of boxers. I was at a number of private get togethers when Nunn was present and he'd never take a sip of alcohol. After winning the title, he bgan to hang out with his old friends from Davenport, Iowa. Most were gang bangers from his youth. Soon Nunn was having problems with contracts, his loyalty to the Goossens disappeared and he was suddenly just another fighter. At one point, Sugar Ray Leonard avoided facing Nunn in the ring. Ray had already secured his legacy with a win over Hagler and there was no way he wanted to face Nunn a couple years later. That was a smart move on Leonard's part, he wouldn't have matched up well against Michael Nunn, especially late in Ray's career. Leonard had to have all the edges before signing to fight and with Nunn he had nothing going for him. I heard he is more than half way thru a twenty year sentence for cocaine distribution. Another sad waste of potential in boxing.
Gotta head to work. I was up at 2:45am, worked out, just finished my coffee and it's time to leave. Have a great day guys!
Nunn was hot when he KOed Tate for the IBF title. However, his 89 second KO of Sambu Kalambay (who was a 2-1 favorite) was his most impressive, and added the WBA title to his resume. He gave his friend Marlon Starling a shot (and a payday), and didn't look impressive in his victory over the former welterweight champ. When Michael split completely from the Goossens, he took on James Toney in his hometown of Davenport, Iowa. Ironically, his former trainer Joe Goossen was hired by the PPV Network to call the fight from ringside. The Nunn that squared off with Toney wasn't the same as the guy who flattened Kalambay, and the Toney KOed him. The rest is history. He was involved with Don King, won the Super middleweight title and lost it, and he was soon gone.
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Michael Nunn's stunning 89 second KO of Sambu Kalambay . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz5sbSh2xGQ
Rest in Peace, Greg Goossen (Nunn's cornerman)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz5sbSh2xGQ
Rest in Peace, Greg Goossen (Nunn's cornerman)
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Michael Nunn
birth date 1963-04-14
division middleweight
stance southpaw
height 6′ 3″ / 190cm
alias Second To
birth place Davenport, Iowa, United States
birth name Michael John Nunn
won 58 (KO 37) + lost 4 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 62
2002-01-23 184 Vinson Durham 187 19-24-2
Caesars Indiana, Bridgeport, Indiana, United States W UD 10 10
2001-12-08 186 Matthew Charleston 185 25-13-0
Grand Casino, Biloxi, Mississippi, United States W TKO 5
2001-10-26 185 Kenny Craven 193 18-7-0
Grand Casino, Gulfport, Mississippi, United States W TKO 6 10
time: 1:57
2001-09-29 195 Carlos Bates 195 30-14-0
Caesars Indiana, Elizabeth, Indiana, United States W TKO 1 10
time: 2:33
1999-05-09 173 William Guthrie 172 24-1-0
Municipal Auditorium, Minot, North Dakota, United States W TKO 7 10
time: 0:22 | judge: Jack Becker | judge: Lawrence Veralrud | judge: Tom Walski
1998-09-04 196 Glenn Thomas 191 26-4-0
Miccosukee Indian Gaming Resort, Miami, Florida, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Frank Santore Jr.
1998-03-21 175 Graciano Rocchigiani 175 39-4-1
Max Schmeling Halle, Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany L SD 12 12
referee: Daniel Van de Wiele | 111-118 | 113-115 | 116-113
vacant WBC light heavyweight title
1997-07-05 186 Lonnie Horn 183 26-3-0
Mark of the Quad Cities, Moline, Illinois, United States W KO 1 10
time: 2:59
1997-05-10 191½ Booker T Word 186 23-4-2
Mark of the Quad Cities, Moline, Illinois, United States W TKO 7 10
time: 1:49
1997-01-17 175 Rudy Nix 175 17-2-1
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W TKO 2 12
NABF light heavyweight title
1996-06-23 185¾ Everardo Armenta Jr 191 21-7-0
Houston, Texas, United States W TKO 8 10
time: 2:27 | judge: Chuck Bertani | judge: Bob Martin | judge: Lee McCowan
1995-12-08 168 John Scully 168 35-4-0
Foxwoods Resort, Mashantucket, Connecticut, United States W UD 12 12
judge: Harold Lederman 118-110 | judge: Clark Sammartino 119-109 | judge: Harold Gomes 120-108
WBO NABO super middleweight title
1995-10-13 175 Charles Oliver 172 15-4-1
Fantasy Springs Casino, Indio, California, United States W PTS 10 10
1995-08-15 179 Cecil McKenzie 176 9-4-0
Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 4 10
(Injury)
1995-07-14 178 Terry Bee 180 10-4-0
Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W DQ 3 10
time: 1:51
1995-06-13 185 Earl Butler 175 14-6-2
Moline, Illinois, United States W UD 10 10
1994-12-17 168 Frankie Liles 167 25-1-0
Ruminahui Coliseum, Quito, Ecuador L UD 12 12
referee: Rafael Ramos | judge: Bob Watson 111-117 | judge: Oscar Perez 113-114 | judge: Gonzalo Rivera 112-115
WBA World super middleweight title
1994-09-12 195 Salvador Maciel 205 19-5-0
Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 1 10
time: 0:56
1994-02-26 167 Steve Little 168 21-13-2
Earls Court Exhibition Hall, Kensington, London, United Kingdom L SD 12 12x3
referee: John Coyle | judge: Orlando Sam 115-113 | judge: Philippe Verbeke 114-116 | judge: Luis Rivera 112-115
WBA World super middleweight title
Nunn down in first round.
1993-12-18 168 Merqui Sosa 165½ 22-3-1
Estadio Cuauhtemoc, Puebla, Puebla, Mexico W UD 12 12
referee: Julio C. Alvarado | judge: Marco Antonio Rodriguez 116-113 | judge: Alejandro Rochin Mapula 116-112 | judge: Eduardo Luna 116-112
WBA World super middleweight title
1993-04-23 167½ Crawford Ashley 163 18-4-1
The Pyramid, Memphis, Tennessee, United States W TKO 6 12
time: 2:59 | referee: Julio C. Alvarado | judge: Marco Antonio Rodriguez 50-45 | judge: Fernando Viso 50-43 | judge: Jose Campos 50-43
WBA World super middleweight title
1993-02-20 168 Dan Morgan 167¾ 39-2-0
Estadio Azteca, Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 1 12
time: 2:59 | referee: Enzo Montero | judge: Hector Hernandez Vilchis | judge: Alejandro Rochin Mapula | judge: Rogelio Perez
WBA World super middleweight title
1993-01-30 168 Victor Cordoba 168 19-3-3
The Pyramid, Memphis, Tennessee, United States W UD 12 12
referee: Ernesto Magana | judge: Guy Jutras 115-107 | judge: Roberto Ramirez 117-106 | judge: Justo Vasquez 120-106
WBA World super middleweight title
1992-09-12 168 Victor Cordoba 168 19-2-3
Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W SD 12 12
referee: Mills Lane | judge: Ove Ovesen 114-112 | judge: Fernando Viso 114-113 | judge: Patricia Morse Jarman 112-114
WBA World super middleweight title
1991-11-29 168 Randall Yonker 168 23-1-0
Mirage Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 10 12
time: 1:47
NABF super middleweight title
1991-05-10 160 James Toney 157 25-0-1
John O'Donnell Stadium, Davenport, Iowa, United States L TKO 11 12
time: 2:14 | referee: Denny Nelson | judge: Gary Merritt 97-93 | judge: Bob Watson 99-91 | judge: Dalby Shirley 98-92
IBF middleweight title
1990-10-18 159¾ Donald Curry 158 33-3-0
Palais Omnisports Paris Bercy, Paris XII, Paris, France W KO 10 12
time: 1:59 | referee: Denny Nelson | judge: Al Rothenberg 89-81 | judge: Sheila Martin 89-81 | judge: Eugene Grant 88-82
IBF middleweight title
1990-04-14 160 Marlon Starling 158 45-4-1
Mirage Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W MD 12 12
referee: Mills Lane | judge: Glen Hamada 118-110 | judge: Art Lurie 117-111 | judge: Gary Merritt 114-114
IBF middleweight title
1989-08-14 159 Iran Barkley 160 25-5-0
Lawlor Events Center, Reno, Nevada, United States W MD 12 12
referee: Carlos Padilla | judge: Art Lurie 116-113 | judge: Keith MacDonald 114-114 | judge: Glen Hamada 115-113
IBF middleweight title
1989-03-25 160 Sumbu Kalambay 159 46-3-1
Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 1 12
time: 1:28 | referee: Richard Steele | judge: Chuck Giampa | judge: Bernie Cormier | judge: Walter Cavalieri
IBF middleweight title
Kalambay stripped of WBA belt before bout
1989 Knockout of the Year - Ring Magazine
1988-11-04 160 Juan Domingo Roldan 160 67-4-2
Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 8 12
time: 2:28 | referee: Richard Steele | judge: Robert Cox 69-64 | judge: Dalby Shirley 69-63 | judge: Paul Smith 68-66
IBF middleweight title
1988-07-28 160 Frank Tate 160 23-0-0
Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 9 15
time: 0:40 | referee: Mills Lane | judge: Edward S. Levine 77-73 | judge: Glen Hamada 77-73 | judge: Jerry Roth 78-73
IBF middleweight title
1988-05-31 160½ Ron Daniels 161 11-7-0
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W TKO 2
1988-03-19 159 Curtis Parker 159 29-8-0
Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 2 12
time: 0:58 | referee: Carlos Padilla
NABF middleweight title
1988-01-02 160 Kevin Watts 160 17-3-1
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W UD 12 12
referee: Chuck Hassett | judge: James Jen-Kin 120-106 | judge: Rudy Jordan 120-108 | judge: Steve Carlson 120-108
NABF middleweight title
1987-10-29 159 Darnell Knox 26-1-0
Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 4 12
NABF middleweight title
1987-09-11 161 Dale Jackson 161 18-2-2
Palmer Auditorium, Davenport, Iowa, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Lou Moret | judge: Gary Merritt 100-90 | judge: Mike Glienna 98-93 | judge: Lou Moret 100-90
1987-08-11 161 Franklin Owens 159½ 4-3-1
Bally's Las Vegas, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 9
time: 0:51 | referee: Richard Steele
Owens down in 5th, 8th and 9th
1987-07-02 160 Jose Duarte 159 27-16-1
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W TKO 2 10
time: 1:45 | referee: Rudy Jordan
Stopped after three knockdowns.
1987-04-24 161 Cecil Pettigrew 23-15-2
Davenport, Iowa, United States W KO 5
1987-04-04 161 Charles Campbell 160½ 16-3-1
Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 9 10
time: 1:49
1987-02-06 160 Willie Harris 160 21-0-0
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W TKO 6
referee: James Jen-Kin
Harris down in 6th
1986-11-21 160 Alex Ramos 160 25-4-2
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W UD 12 12
120-108 | 120-108 | 119-109
USA California State middleweight title
1986-10-28 161 Orlando Paulding 159 9-5-1
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W KO 1 10
time: 2:09
1986-09-19 161 Mike Tinley 160¼ 19-3-1
Resorts International, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W UD 10 10
1986-07-25 161 Charles Boston 157¾ 12-2-0
Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 10 10
1986-06-25 161¾ Randy Smith 167 15-7-0
Forum, Inglewood, California, United States W UD 10 10
100-90 | 100-90 | 100-90
1986-05-19 160 Felipe Vaca 13-10-2
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W TKO 3
1986-03-09 160 Carl Jones 159 16-1-4
Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10
1986-02-10 160 Charles Carter 161 17-5-0
Forum, Inglewood, California, United States W TKO 3 10
referee: Kenny Davis
1986-01-28 160 Alvaro Granillo 158 0-7-2
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W TKO 2 10
time: 1:35 | referee: Rudy Jordan
1985-12-10 161 Billy Robertson 160½ 9-6-0
Forum, Inglewood, California, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Terry Smith
1985-11-13 160½ Jorge Amparo 161 3-4-1
Showboat Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 8 8
1985-09-25 160½ Charles Campbell 160 14-1-1
Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 8 8
1985-08-27 162 Marcos Geraldo 165 62-20-1
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W TKO 5 8
time: 1:18 | referee: Robert Byrd
Geraldo down in 2nd
1985-07-29 161 James Waire 162 21-18-3
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W TKO 3 8
time: 2:31 | judge: Lou Moret | judge: Gwen Adair | judge: Lou Filippo
1985-06-27 159¾ Larry Davis 160¼ 6-2-0
Showboat Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 2 6
time: 1:15
1985-05-21 160½ J W Johnson 155½
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W KO 1 8
time: 2:57 | referee: Chuck Hassett
1985-04-13 159¾ Sergio Campos 161½ 0-1-0
Showboat Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 1 6
time: 1:57
1985-03-26 161½ Robert Waymon Jackson 162 2-1-0
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W KO 1 8
time: 1:22 | referee: Kenny Davis
Jackson down twice.
1985-02-08 160 Ismael Templos 2-8-0
Caesars Tahoe, Stateline, Nevada, United States W KO 4
1984-12-20 159½ John Borman 158½ 2-0-0
Showboat Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 1 6
time: 2:26
birth date 1963-04-14
division middleweight
stance southpaw
height 6′ 3″ / 190cm
alias Second To
birth place Davenport, Iowa, United States
birth name Michael John Nunn
won 58 (KO 37) + lost 4 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 62
2002-01-23 184 Vinson Durham 187 19-24-2
Caesars Indiana, Bridgeport, Indiana, United States W UD 10 10
2001-12-08 186 Matthew Charleston 185 25-13-0
Grand Casino, Biloxi, Mississippi, United States W TKO 5
2001-10-26 185 Kenny Craven 193 18-7-0
Grand Casino, Gulfport, Mississippi, United States W TKO 6 10
time: 1:57
2001-09-29 195 Carlos Bates 195 30-14-0
Caesars Indiana, Elizabeth, Indiana, United States W TKO 1 10
time: 2:33
1999-05-09 173 William Guthrie 172 24-1-0
Municipal Auditorium, Minot, North Dakota, United States W TKO 7 10
time: 0:22 | judge: Jack Becker | judge: Lawrence Veralrud | judge: Tom Walski
1998-09-04 196 Glenn Thomas 191 26-4-0
Miccosukee Indian Gaming Resort, Miami, Florida, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Frank Santore Jr.
1998-03-21 175 Graciano Rocchigiani 175 39-4-1
Max Schmeling Halle, Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany L SD 12 12
referee: Daniel Van de Wiele | 111-118 | 113-115 | 116-113
vacant WBC light heavyweight title
1997-07-05 186 Lonnie Horn 183 26-3-0
Mark of the Quad Cities, Moline, Illinois, United States W KO 1 10
time: 2:59
1997-05-10 191½ Booker T Word 186 23-4-2
Mark of the Quad Cities, Moline, Illinois, United States W TKO 7 10
time: 1:49
1997-01-17 175 Rudy Nix 175 17-2-1
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W TKO 2 12
NABF light heavyweight title
1996-06-23 185¾ Everardo Armenta Jr 191 21-7-0
Houston, Texas, United States W TKO 8 10
time: 2:27 | judge: Chuck Bertani | judge: Bob Martin | judge: Lee McCowan
1995-12-08 168 John Scully 168 35-4-0
Foxwoods Resort, Mashantucket, Connecticut, United States W UD 12 12
judge: Harold Lederman 118-110 | judge: Clark Sammartino 119-109 | judge: Harold Gomes 120-108
WBO NABO super middleweight title
1995-10-13 175 Charles Oliver 172 15-4-1
Fantasy Springs Casino, Indio, California, United States W PTS 10 10
1995-08-15 179 Cecil McKenzie 176 9-4-0
Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 4 10
(Injury)
1995-07-14 178 Terry Bee 180 10-4-0
Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W DQ 3 10
time: 1:51
1995-06-13 185 Earl Butler 175 14-6-2
Moline, Illinois, United States W UD 10 10
1994-12-17 168 Frankie Liles 167 25-1-0
Ruminahui Coliseum, Quito, Ecuador L UD 12 12
referee: Rafael Ramos | judge: Bob Watson 111-117 | judge: Oscar Perez 113-114 | judge: Gonzalo Rivera 112-115
WBA World super middleweight title
1994-09-12 195 Salvador Maciel 205 19-5-0
Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 1 10
time: 0:56
1994-02-26 167 Steve Little 168 21-13-2
Earls Court Exhibition Hall, Kensington, London, United Kingdom L SD 12 12x3
referee: John Coyle | judge: Orlando Sam 115-113 | judge: Philippe Verbeke 114-116 | judge: Luis Rivera 112-115
WBA World super middleweight title
Nunn down in first round.
1993-12-18 168 Merqui Sosa 165½ 22-3-1
Estadio Cuauhtemoc, Puebla, Puebla, Mexico W UD 12 12
referee: Julio C. Alvarado | judge: Marco Antonio Rodriguez 116-113 | judge: Alejandro Rochin Mapula 116-112 | judge: Eduardo Luna 116-112
WBA World super middleweight title
1993-04-23 167½ Crawford Ashley 163 18-4-1
The Pyramid, Memphis, Tennessee, United States W TKO 6 12
time: 2:59 | referee: Julio C. Alvarado | judge: Marco Antonio Rodriguez 50-45 | judge: Fernando Viso 50-43 | judge: Jose Campos 50-43
WBA World super middleweight title
1993-02-20 168 Dan Morgan 167¾ 39-2-0
Estadio Azteca, Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 1 12
time: 2:59 | referee: Enzo Montero | judge: Hector Hernandez Vilchis | judge: Alejandro Rochin Mapula | judge: Rogelio Perez
WBA World super middleweight title
1993-01-30 168 Victor Cordoba 168 19-3-3
The Pyramid, Memphis, Tennessee, United States W UD 12 12
referee: Ernesto Magana | judge: Guy Jutras 115-107 | judge: Roberto Ramirez 117-106 | judge: Justo Vasquez 120-106
WBA World super middleweight title
1992-09-12 168 Victor Cordoba 168 19-2-3
Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W SD 12 12
referee: Mills Lane | judge: Ove Ovesen 114-112 | judge: Fernando Viso 114-113 | judge: Patricia Morse Jarman 112-114
WBA World super middleweight title
1991-11-29 168 Randall Yonker 168 23-1-0
Mirage Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 10 12
time: 1:47
NABF super middleweight title
1991-05-10 160 James Toney 157 25-0-1
John O'Donnell Stadium, Davenport, Iowa, United States L TKO 11 12
time: 2:14 | referee: Denny Nelson | judge: Gary Merritt 97-93 | judge: Bob Watson 99-91 | judge: Dalby Shirley 98-92
IBF middleweight title
1990-10-18 159¾ Donald Curry 158 33-3-0
Palais Omnisports Paris Bercy, Paris XII, Paris, France W KO 10 12
time: 1:59 | referee: Denny Nelson | judge: Al Rothenberg 89-81 | judge: Sheila Martin 89-81 | judge: Eugene Grant 88-82
IBF middleweight title
1990-04-14 160 Marlon Starling 158 45-4-1
Mirage Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W MD 12 12
referee: Mills Lane | judge: Glen Hamada 118-110 | judge: Art Lurie 117-111 | judge: Gary Merritt 114-114
IBF middleweight title
1989-08-14 159 Iran Barkley 160 25-5-0
Lawlor Events Center, Reno, Nevada, United States W MD 12 12
referee: Carlos Padilla | judge: Art Lurie 116-113 | judge: Keith MacDonald 114-114 | judge: Glen Hamada 115-113
IBF middleweight title
1989-03-25 160 Sumbu Kalambay 159 46-3-1
Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 1 12
time: 1:28 | referee: Richard Steele | judge: Chuck Giampa | judge: Bernie Cormier | judge: Walter Cavalieri
IBF middleweight title
Kalambay stripped of WBA belt before bout
1989 Knockout of the Year - Ring Magazine
1988-11-04 160 Juan Domingo Roldan 160 67-4-2
Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 8 12
time: 2:28 | referee: Richard Steele | judge: Robert Cox 69-64 | judge: Dalby Shirley 69-63 | judge: Paul Smith 68-66
IBF middleweight title
1988-07-28 160 Frank Tate 160 23-0-0
Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 9 15
time: 0:40 | referee: Mills Lane | judge: Edward S. Levine 77-73 | judge: Glen Hamada 77-73 | judge: Jerry Roth 78-73
IBF middleweight title
1988-05-31 160½ Ron Daniels 161 11-7-0
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W TKO 2
1988-03-19 159 Curtis Parker 159 29-8-0
Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 2 12
time: 0:58 | referee: Carlos Padilla
NABF middleweight title
1988-01-02 160 Kevin Watts 160 17-3-1
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W UD 12 12
referee: Chuck Hassett | judge: James Jen-Kin 120-106 | judge: Rudy Jordan 120-108 | judge: Steve Carlson 120-108
NABF middleweight title
1987-10-29 159 Darnell Knox 26-1-0
Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 4 12
NABF middleweight title
1987-09-11 161 Dale Jackson 161 18-2-2
Palmer Auditorium, Davenport, Iowa, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Lou Moret | judge: Gary Merritt 100-90 | judge: Mike Glienna 98-93 | judge: Lou Moret 100-90
1987-08-11 161 Franklin Owens 159½ 4-3-1
Bally's Las Vegas, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 9
time: 0:51 | referee: Richard Steele
Owens down in 5th, 8th and 9th
1987-07-02 160 Jose Duarte 159 27-16-1
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W TKO 2 10
time: 1:45 | referee: Rudy Jordan
Stopped after three knockdowns.
1987-04-24 161 Cecil Pettigrew 23-15-2
Davenport, Iowa, United States W KO 5
1987-04-04 161 Charles Campbell 160½ 16-3-1
Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 9 10
time: 1:49
1987-02-06 160 Willie Harris 160 21-0-0
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W TKO 6
referee: James Jen-Kin
Harris down in 6th
1986-11-21 160 Alex Ramos 160 25-4-2
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W UD 12 12
120-108 | 120-108 | 119-109
USA California State middleweight title
1986-10-28 161 Orlando Paulding 159 9-5-1
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W KO 1 10
time: 2:09
1986-09-19 161 Mike Tinley 160¼ 19-3-1
Resorts International, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W UD 10 10
1986-07-25 161 Charles Boston 157¾ 12-2-0
Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 10 10
1986-06-25 161¾ Randy Smith 167 15-7-0
Forum, Inglewood, California, United States W UD 10 10
100-90 | 100-90 | 100-90
1986-05-19 160 Felipe Vaca 13-10-2
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W TKO 3
1986-03-09 160 Carl Jones 159 16-1-4
Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10
1986-02-10 160 Charles Carter 161 17-5-0
Forum, Inglewood, California, United States W TKO 3 10
referee: Kenny Davis
1986-01-28 160 Alvaro Granillo 158 0-7-2
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W TKO 2 10
time: 1:35 | referee: Rudy Jordan
1985-12-10 161 Billy Robertson 160½ 9-6-0
Forum, Inglewood, California, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Terry Smith
1985-11-13 160½ Jorge Amparo 161 3-4-1
Showboat Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 8 8
1985-09-25 160½ Charles Campbell 160 14-1-1
Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 8 8
1985-08-27 162 Marcos Geraldo 165 62-20-1
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W TKO 5 8
time: 1:18 | referee: Robert Byrd
Geraldo down in 2nd
1985-07-29 161 James Waire 162 21-18-3
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W TKO 3 8
time: 2:31 | judge: Lou Moret | judge: Gwen Adair | judge: Lou Filippo
1985-06-27 159¾ Larry Davis 160¼ 6-2-0
Showboat Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 2 6
time: 1:15
1985-05-21 160½ J W Johnson 155½
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W KO 1 8
time: 2:57 | referee: Chuck Hassett
1985-04-13 159¾ Sergio Campos 161½ 0-1-0
Showboat Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 1 6
time: 1:57
1985-03-26 161½ Robert Waymon Jackson 162 2-1-0
Country Club, Reseda, California, United States W KO 1 8
time: 1:22 | referee: Kenny Davis
Jackson down twice.
1985-02-08 160 Ismael Templos 2-8-0
Caesars Tahoe, Stateline, Nevada, United States W KO 4
1984-12-20 159½ John Borman 158½ 2-0-0
Showboat Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 1 6
time: 2:26
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
What a puncher. I never saw this fight-he had him lined up.Rick Farris wrote:Michael Nunn's stunning 89 second KO of Sambu Kalambay . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz5sbSh2xGQ
Rest in Peace, Greg Goossen (Nunn's cornerman)
I remember watching Nunn when he was on TV but didn't track him like I did others.
All of a sudden, I read he was involved with drugs and all. Thanks for history lesson and him going back to the 'hood. Bad ending for a great young talent. You mention Don King briefly. It doesn't surprise me one bit that his name would pop up here.
New York papers ran nice spread for Greg Goossen's obit. today. Mets pictures and all.
Wouldn't be surprised if Mets org. does something nice for his family this year.
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Michael Nunn vs. James Toney:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWtl-ae6 ... re=related
This was a little over two years after Nunn flattened Kalambay.
A turning point in the life and career of Michael Nunn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWtl-ae6 ... re=related
This was a little over two years after Nunn flattened Kalambay.
A turning point in the life and career of Michael Nunn.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Chris never got over losing his brother Kevin and died in 2009, a few months after Kevin; Frankham is in and out of nick all the time, ripping off people with bogus building.kikibalt wrote:
Chris Finnegan vs. Johnny Frankham (2nd_meeting).
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Salford's Stephen Foster Junior suffered a shock defeat over the weekend to unheralded Belgian Ermano Fegatilli which cost him the European super-featherweight title.
Foster was down five times on Saturday night in Bolton but showed immense guts to see it through to the finish where he conceded a unanimous decision that was surprisingly close in the scoring, but those scores were right. Foster controlled the first half of the 12-rounder but ran out of steam as the impressive Fegatilli took over with body shots. It looked like Foster went out for a quick win - and had smashed Russia's Leva Kirakosyan in three stunning rounds to win the title in October - only for the challenger to survive and fight back.
You know, after a close loss to Alex Arthur in 2007, Foster fought just five times up to Fegatilli and not one of those fights had lasted more six rounds. Where were the long fights that build up a fighter's stamina and prepare him for a 12-rounder, the long, regular fights? Marathon runner don't train over 800 metres every six months and a sequence of quick, easy wins for a fighter usually pave the way to defeat when the first class opponent comes along to survive the early rounds. Think of Ali-Foreman, Honeyghan-Curry, Watson-Benn, Sims-Duran...
Think of Fegatilli-Foster.
Foster was down five times on Saturday night in Bolton but showed immense guts to see it through to the finish where he conceded a unanimous decision that was surprisingly close in the scoring, but those scores were right. Foster controlled the first half of the 12-rounder but ran out of steam as the impressive Fegatilli took over with body shots. It looked like Foster went out for a quick win - and had smashed Russia's Leva Kirakosyan in three stunning rounds to win the title in October - only for the challenger to survive and fight back.
You know, after a close loss to Alex Arthur in 2007, Foster fought just five times up to Fegatilli and not one of those fights had lasted more six rounds. Where were the long fights that build up a fighter's stamina and prepare him for a 12-rounder, the long, regular fights? Marathon runner don't train over 800 metres every six months and a sequence of quick, easy wins for a fighter usually pave the way to defeat when the first class opponent comes along to survive the early rounds. Think of Ali-Foreman, Honeyghan-Curry, Watson-Benn, Sims-Duran...
Think of Fegatilli-Foster.