ALI VS. TYSON

rooney8 · Post by **rooney8** » 07 Jun 2005, 13:58

Who do you think would win in a fight between Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson, when both were in their prime? I think Ali would win by KO in round 10.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 07 Jun 2005, 16:56

It is my opnion that the prime tyson has more power than any opponent Ali ever faced including foreman and shavers and liston. Tyson didn't throw long slow hard haymakers like foreman but he thre powerful lightning fast combinations which when landed on an opponent, the opponent legs went shaky and then they danced down to the canvas. Now when Tyson had roone yas a trainer, Tyson has very good head movements and was hard to hit cleanly and since tysons 5'11, ali will have a lot harder trouble with the jab on tyson. REMEMBER THIS, ALI HAD AN EASY FIRST TIME WITH FLOYD BECAUSE FLOYD HAD A HURT BACK AND COULDNT DO THE PEEK A BOO STYLE WELL, BUT FLOYD GAVE ALI A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN THEIR SECOND FIGHT IN THE FIRST 5 ROUNDS. Tyson has the potential to get inside of ali and pound away at alis bod yand he could tag ali with a good left or strong uppercut and if he knocks ali down early, theirs a chance he could finish ali.

HOWEVER, ali has a lot of heart and was never counted out or stopped on his feet. he also has a good chin and a lot of speed with great head movments so even if tyson caught him early, his heart might get him throug the round. Also, ali was a master at phycollogy and if he showed that he can stand up top tyson early on, it will get to tyson head and tyson may start to lose his head and focus and ali will continue to toy with tyson until tyson just mentally breaks and ali takes over landing hard combos and cutting up tysons face. I think ali would use those tricks to his advatage and stay outside of tyson so he can outbox him.

I think ali gets knocked down early, gets up starts to outbox tyson but takes hard blows to the body. he then starts to play with tysons head a little bit in the mid rounds and he shows he can stand up to tyson and he shows he has the speed to dodge some of tysons wallops. ali starts to land hard uppercuts and gets his jab in their and tyson loses his focus and ali stops him in the later rounds with tyson out on his feet. Ali TKO 14

jab · Post by **jab** » 07 Jun 2005, 19:02

12`` reach advantage plus the fastest jab in heavyweight history combined with blinding leg speed says Ali would have won easily. Unlike Frazier, Tyson was very mentally fragile and never fought anyone faster than himself. Ali was faster. Ali would have habbed Tysons eyes shot, avoided his early and predictable rushes and would have stopped a battered Tyson inside 8-9 rounds. Total mismatch.
Tyson would have collapsed mentally when outsped, countered and jabbed silly. Tysons style would have fallen apart agaisnt the stinging butterfly.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 07 Jun 2005, 23:05

Idk Jab about complete mismatch. I think Tyson will give him problems early. tyson has very quick hands. If tyson got inside of him like Frazier did, he will do more damage and I can see tyson hurting ali and poissibly dropping him in the early rounds. especially if ali gets careless. I have no doubt though that Ali would stop him later on in the fight.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 09 Jun 2005, 10:43

Ali by late KO or TKO, or possibly by UD.

Whichever way, prime for prime, Ali would win.

Gordon · Post by **Gordon** » 10 Jun 2005, 04:21

I tend to agree with our friend from Brockton here.

Cus D'Amato's fighters had this unique style of fighting. They all had good head movement and could punch with either hand especially the left.

But, Ali was an enigma, he was too fast and too big for anything Tyson could throw at him.

Similar to Floyd I see Mike give Muhammad trouble in the early rounds but when the power punches are bouncing off Ali and he is still dancing and still jabbing Mikes head, Tyson mentality then comes into question and I see him come apart from round 6 on.

I see Ali tearing him to shreds anytime after Round 7.

The_Power · Post by **The_Power** » 11 Jun 2005, 14:42

Of course a prime ali would dominant Tyson.

He dominanted Cooper, Jones and Frazier so well, didnt he?

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 11 Jun 2005, 15:41

The_Power wrote:Of course a prime ali would dominant Tyson.

He dominanted Cooper, Jones and Frazier so well, didnt he?

Actually, he beat Jones pretty clearly . . 6-3-1 on my card.

But that's a bad argument . . .Ali got up against Cooper to win the bout . . a prime Tyson got destroyed by Douglas and never got up.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 11 Jun 2005, 18:30

Ok first, ALi was really young and had a bad fight. second, mike tyson lost is prime when don king got a hold of him, and he fired kevin rooney. THat was not the same tyson that went out their and destroyed trevor berbick. that was a damaged tyson. Tyson was not at his peak anymore

DemsoeyFire, dont try to argue or reason with power. Power is completely biased toward the 80s heavyweights. Espoecially cooney. U CNAT HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL TALK WITH HIM.

Power said "cooney, norton, and the big 80's heavyweights have more power than rocky marciano and joe louis.

The_Power · Post by **The_Power** » 12 Jun 2005, 12:29

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

Power said "cooney, norton, and the big 80's heavyweights have more power than rocky marciano and joe louis.

Incompetent fool.

Show me the quote where i said the 80's heavyweights hit harder than Joe louis?

I never did you infantile retard.

i said that Gerry Cooney, HIT HARDER than the small Marciano.

That is not unreasonable at all.

Of course you cannot comprehend this, hell you can't even spell other peoples username's correctly.

Mariciano had heart, and he had a decent chin, but to consider him an elite heavyweight power house of the Tyson, Lewis or Foreman mould is fooish and incorrect.

I wait for you to prove your above false quote.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 12 Jun 2005, 17:18

well IDIOT, I AM NOT GOING TO GO BACK 3 PAGES OF POSTS TO TRY TO FIND A QUOTE TO PROVE UR STUPID. EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS UR STUPID. THE FACT THAT YOU JUST SAID COONEY HITS HARDER THAN MARCIANO MAKES U CLUELESS AND PROVES UR NOT A TRUE BOXING FAN.

MARCIANO IS NOT MUCH SMALLER THAN JOE LOUIS BY THE WAY. HES JUST AS STRONG AND MARCIANOS BIG BONES AND TRAINS HIMSELF DOWN TO 185, LOUIS WAS ONLY 15 POUNDS HEAVIER AND TALLER.

I GAURANTEEE MOST EXPERTS, AND PEOPLE ON THIUS FORUM WILL RATE MARCIANO IN THE POWER CLASS AS A FOREMAN LOUIS AND TYSON. MARCIANO WAS # 14 ALL TIME POWER PUNCHERS RATED BY THE RING MAGAZINE. MARCIANO HAD ONE OF THE HARDEST OVERHAND RIGHTS OF ALL TIME, PLUS A HARD LEFT HOOK THAT IS UNDERATED. HE COULD HIT WITH BOTH HANDS. he was not that small either. his legs were like tree trunks.

and id take marciano by KO over cooney. why do u have something against heavyweights under 200 lbs???? like dempsey and marciano.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 12 Jun 2005, 17:31

And if he was still alive, you could have asked joe louis if he thinks marciano belongs up their as one of the hardest punchers. Louis already stated how hard marciano hit to many reporters. isnt walcott still alive??? i bet he still feels the effects of being hit by that marciano right in there first fight. And just in case u were wondering, witherspoon, thomas, weaver all those guys couldn't shine walcotts shoes when it came to boxing.

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 12 Jun 2005, 18:57

Jersey Joe died over 10 years ago.

The Power never said Cooney hit harder than Joe Louis.

The Power doesn't give a fornicate about Cooney.

You are retarded.

dr.pepper101 · Post by **dr.pepper101** » 12 Jun 2005, 22:32

rooney8 wrote:Who do you think would win in a fight between Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson, when both were in their prime? I think Ali would win by KO in round 10.

No doubt Ali would win. Ali

Graham Brett · Post by **Graham Brett** » 13 Jun 2005, 08:45

jab wrote:12`` reach advantage plus the fastest jab in heavyweight history combined with blinding leg speed says Ali would have won easily. Unlike Frazier, Tyson was very mentally fragile and never fought anyone faster than himself. Ali was faster. Ali would have habbed Tysons eyes shot, avoided his early and predictable rushes and would have stopped a battered Tyson inside 8-9 rounds. Total mismatch.
Tyson would have collapsed mentally when outsped, countered and jabbed silly. Tysons style would have fallen apart agaisnt the stinging butterfly.

9" reach advantage.

Tyson 71" Ali 80"

Ali by decision or Tyson by early KO

jab · Post by **jab** » 13 Jun 2005, 09:34

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=000180

Ali had 83. 83-71=12

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 13 Jun 2005, 11:46

jab wrote:http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=000180

Ali had 83. 83-71=12

I'd bet my house that Ali's reach was 80". The Boxrec records are wrong.

Check out any old fight programme or telecast featuring Ali.

His reach is listed as 80"

jab · Post by **jab** » 13 Jun 2005, 11:59

Dont bet your house mate.

I had him listed variously as 82 and 83. I dont remember him as 80.

At any rate, if you feel boxrec records are wrong, you can write them with the evidence and they will change it.

They could be wrong, and if you have the evidence they will change their entry.

Cheers,

Jab

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 13 Jun 2005, 13:55

Tantum, do you honestly belive that gerry cooney hit harder than rocky marciano?????? if u do then i lost respect for u. nt only was marcianos right harder than cooneys left, but marciano could hit with both hands.

tiredoldngrey · Post by **tiredoldngrey** » 13 Jun 2005, 14:35

The way to beat Ali was pressure; Chuvalo troubled him but didn't have the weaponry to carry the day(s). Frazier did and there are three things worth noting about him: one, he was essentially one armed, doing very little with his right. All he threw was left hooks for all intents. Second, Frazier was a very overrated puncher. Which is not to say he didn"t hit hard: he did, but he needed to keep them coming. Third, he was not much of a defensive fighter. Given those limitations he stayed right on Ali and gave him hell, flooring him once and hurting him several times throughout their trilogy. Prime Tyson was much faster than Frazier, in terms of hand, foot and every other type of speed a fighter can have. His hands were nearly as fast as Ali"s as was his footspeed. He was a much harder puncher than Frazier, a legit one punch threat with any punch in his arsenal He cut the ring better than Frazier; remember that move when he'd slid his right foot forward and right to cut off an opponent, in position to throw the right hook/right uppercut combo. Much harder to hit than Frazier, he'd get under ali"s punches and hit him. Prime Tyson would KO any Ali I ever saw fight within 7. (excluding the Wepner push every time Ali went down it was from a hook as he pulled straight back. Bad against tyson) Easy fight for mike, who would lose in 2-4 against Louis, who would drop a UD12 to Ali.

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 13 Jun 2005, 16:31

I didn't say Cooney hit harder... I said The Power doesn't care about Cooney, and he never said Cooney hit harder than Louis.

I personally don't care either way.

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 13 Jun 2005, 18:10

Not really a "new" topic but...anyone who thinks Tyson could have troubled Ali should first explain why Tyson (in his 'prime' at age 24 with a 37-0 record) couldn't beat Buster Douglas...Kevin Rooney or no Kevin Rooney!!!!!!!!

If the 1966-67 Ali would have met Tyson, it would have been another one-sided fight...Ali by UD or TKO after Mike's eyes swell shut... I would have feared for Ali's ear lobes though...Anything can happen once Mike gets frustrated...and Mike would have been frustrated early against a young Ali who could move on his feet...The only opponent that could give Ali trouble in the late '60's was the US Government...now THEY were able to slow him down and 'cut off the ring'...and leave him a slower, less sharp, and more fatigue prone fighter after the exile ended...I guess the US Government had the best left hook in the '60's...

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 13 Jun 2005, 18:18

As far as Ali's reach...I never measured it but I've seen everything from 78" to 83"...I vividly remember them measuring his reach on ABC TV in the late '60's...he was on a show with Howard Cosell and Wilt Chamberlain at a time when there was some buzz about a possible title match with Wilt the Stilt...they measured Ali at 79" that day...I forget what Wilt was but it was quite a bit more...anyway it was the combination of reach and speed that made Ali what he was back then...Sonny Liston had a longer reach but you didn't see him land many straight left jabs...

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 13 Jun 2005, 18:24

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Tantum, do you honestly belive that gerry cooney hit harder than rocky marciano?????? if u do then i lost respect for u. nt only was marcianos right harder than cooneys left, but marciano could hit with both hands.

Actually, they could both hit pretty damn hard from what I've seen...and Earnie Shavers could hit harder than either of them...

hawaiianpunch · Post by **hawaiianpunch** » 13 Jun 2005, 20:11

He should not have lost regardless, but the reason Tyson lost in Tokyo is, it's tough to win a big fight when your training consists of Geisha girls, smoking weed and drinking and partying all night. Then using slim fast to get down to fighting weight.

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