Do you Yanks use AIBA Appproved gear?

[Tarquin Tarpaulin V]

Headguards and gloves by Top Ten, Everlast and Adidas as approved by AIBA.

Do you use them in every competition/tournament?

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Headguards and gloves by Top Ten, Everlast and Adidas as approved by AIBA.

Do you use them in every competition/tournament?

Yes now that our ruleboo says you can use either USA Boxing or AIBA approved gear. Specifically we use Addidas headgear that has the AIBA sticker.

[Dennis]

The vast majority of boxers do not use AIBA approved headgear in the United States. We do not use AIBA approved gloves for anything but international competitions. We don't use velpeau except for international competitions. I think that is it.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

The vast majority of boxers do not use AIBA approved headgear in the United States. We do not use AIBA approved gloves for anything but international competitions. We don't use velpeau except for international competitions. I think that is it.

To clarify when I said "we" I'm speaking personally not for all "yanks". lol. I like the Adidas gear. I also saw some Green Hill but that was before AIBA pulled the license.

[boxmel]

I think the use of "AIBA approved" headgear in the US is minimal. Most of what I see are USA Boxing-approved: Fight Gear, Title, Everlast, etc.

[JMac]

In the US, boxers can wear headguards that have cheek protectors which AIBA headguards do not have. Most gyms buy headgear and gloves they can afford and often that is from Ringside or Title boxing equipment companies, neither of which are AIBA approved but is USA Boxing approved.
Gloves made for US companies had to have a four layer foam padding that was based on research that was done in the early 80's. The Topten glove with it's one type of foam padding glove is very good. Greenhill and Adidas gloves followed with a similar glove. Now Everlast has come out with new glove that meets AIBA specs and is really nice. Hopefully the other companies will follow suit with that same type of glove. It's time to get rid of the four layer foam type gloves. I think this newer padding is safer and more durable.
As for Greenhill and it's conections with Choudhry, that is probably true but Choudhry is dead now and Greenhill makes a nice glove. I don't blame the owner for being angry at Wu for taking away his AIBA liscense. Put politics aside, he made good equipment and Choudhry isn't around to profit off of it.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin V]

The owner of Greenhill is/was Choudurys relative, brother in law, cousin or similar.... It is alleged that Greenhill was never subjected to the testing required of other brands and that the $20,000 annual licensing fee was waived.

In the UK having used an established company to introduce and promote the brand, product became extremely hard to get hold of until such a point that the licensee cut their ties and magically stock appeared again although this time being sold by a direct contact. Some may call that sharp business practice, others underhand.

My original question relates to attempts to dispense with the AIBA approved product here in the UK in favour of locally signed supply arrangements with other companies.

However at the same time AIBA have introduced a tendering process that will lead to all 195 Federations having to use AIBA licensed equipment in domestic as well as international competition!

[JMac]

The owner of Greenhill is/was Choudurys relative, brother in law, cousin or similar.... It is alleged that Greenhill was never subjected to the testing required of other brands and that the $20,000 annual licensing fee was waived.

I always wondered if any equipment was actually tested. I used to be on the safety committee for USAB and I could never get copies of the research. I was told that it was in German. I said, I'll find somebody who speaks German. I work for a university but still could not get the research. I think AIBA just collected the money, looked at the equipment and said yea or nay. I think that happened under Choudhry and I still think it happens. Do they still supposedly test at the Univ. of Berlin? That supposedly started under Karl Heinz weir which was a long time ago

My original question relates to attempts to dispense with the AIBA approved product here in the UK in favour of locally signed supply arrangements with other companies.
However at the same time AIBA have introduced a tendering process that will lead to all 195 Federations having to use AIBA licensed equipment in domestic as well as international competition!

Well that would be BS for AIBA to mandate such a policy. I think AIBA is becoming way too micromanaging. It will also be hard to enforce that rule unless AIBA really lowered their fees which is why other companies have not tried to become AIBA licensed. In the US, equipment used in competitions only had to have a USA Boxing approved label. USAB actually tested their equipment. Some gloves and headgear had both AIBA and USAB labels and now USAB lets boxers wear equipment that has only an AIBA label which before you could not wear it unless it was approved by USAB. For example, when Greenhill was AIBA approved but not USAB approved a boxer could not use it domestically.

[toddh5220]

Well that would be BS for AIBA to mandate such a policy. I think AIBA is becoming way too micromanaging. It will also be hard to enforce that rule unless AIBA really lowered their fees which is why other companies have not tried to become AIBA licensed. In the US, equipment used in competitions only had to have a USA Boxing approved label. USAB actually tested their equipment. Some gloves and headgear had both AIBA and USAB labels and now USAB lets boxers wear equipment that has only an AIBA label which before you could not wear it unless it was approved by USAB. For example, when Greenhill was AIBA approved but not USAB approved a boxer could not use it domestically. [/quote]


Actually the equipment is tested by Wayne State University, not by USA Boxing.

[JMac]

Well that would be BS for AIBA to mandate such a policy. I think AIBA is becoming way too micromanaging. It will also be hard to enforce that rule unless AIBA really lowered their fees which is why other companies have not tried to become AIBA licensed. In the US, equipment used in competitions only had to have a USA Boxing approved label. USAB actually tested their equipment. Some gloves and headgear had both AIBA and USAB labels and now USAB lets boxers wear equipment that has only an AIBA label which before you could not wear it unless it was approved by USAB. For example, when Greenhill was AIBA approved but not USAB approved a boxer could not use it domestically.

Actually the equipment is tested by Wayne State University, not by USA Boxing.[/quote]
Yes I know that. The point was that USAB had it tested at as you said, Wayne St. At one time, AIBA said equipment that wanted AIBA approval was tested in Berlin. My question is, is it? and where?

[Tarquin Tarpaulin V]

Well that would be BS for AIBA to mandate such a policy. I think AIBA is becoming way too micromanaging.

The situation here in the UK is that the alternative equipment has almost certainly had no testing whatsoever.

With this in mind i'm not so sure I agree with your statement on 'micro management'.

Our respective federations are signed up members of an international governing body who 'test' equipment to ensure it's safety and suitability. Surely we should abide by their direction and not try to usurp their authority by going it alone?

[dbf]

For example, yesterday's London senior aba finals used Ringside gloves which are not aiba stamped going against the abae's own rules for championships.

Having said that, London is probably the only region that doesn't have computer scoring at any of its champs so it shouldn't come as a surprise.