15 round fights
Joe Louis vs Jack Dempsey
- Joe Louis KO 8
Larry Holmes vs Mike Tyson
- Mike Tyson early KO
Rocky Marciano vs Lennox Lewis
- Rocky by close decision
Muhammad ALi vs Jack Johnson
- Ali by close decision
Evander Holyfield vs Ezzard Charles
- ezzard by decision
George Foreman vs Sonny Liston
- Liston by KO
Joe Frazier vs James Jeffries
- frazier by KO
Heavyweight fantasy Matchups WHO WOULD WIN?????
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BrocktonBlockbuster49
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BrocktonBlockbuster49
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I read an article years ago of an interview with Jack Sharky. He was the only man to fight both Dempsey and Louis.
He stated that Dempsey would beat Louis to a pulp.
However, I always felt that he said that because he himself did so much better against Dempsey than he did Louis and was simply building himself up.
He stated that Dempsey would beat Louis to a pulp.
However, I always felt that he said that because he himself did so much better against Dempsey than he did Louis and was simply building himself up.
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BrocktonBlockbuster49
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dempseyfire
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Re: Heavyweight fantasy Matchups WHO WOULD WIN?????
Jefferies had a granite chin so I don't see how he KOs Jefferies. I think he wins the decision though.BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:15 round fights
Joe Louis vs Jack Dempsey
- Joe Louis KO 8
Larry Holmes vs Mike Tyson
- Mike Tyson early KO
Rocky Marciano vs Lennox Lewis
- Rocky by close decision
Muhammad ALi vs Jack Johnson
- Ali by close decision
Evander Holyfield vs Ezzard Charles
- ezzard by decision
George Foreman vs Sonny Liston
- Liston by KO
Joe Frazier vs James Jeffries
- frazier by KO
Agree Liston knocks out Foreman
Holyfield-Charles . . very interesting matchup. A close split decision for Charles, b/c of superior stamina.
Ali-Johnson-Your analysis of this in the other thread was actually spot on. I see it being like the Doug Jones fight except Johnson was a stronger and smarter boxer. I think Jack wins a close decision with each fighter at their very best.
Marciano-Lewis-Very tough matchup, just b/c Rocky never faced a puncher the calibre of Lewis. Lennox could possibly stop him early, or get worn down by the body assault and get stopped late. I just can't see Marciano surviving too many of those uppercuts on the inside. Lewis by late stoppage.
Louis-Dempsey-Louis KO 11. The better, faster boxer and hit just as hard.
Holmes-Tyson-Holmes TKO 11. If friggin' Tony Tucker and Douglas could frustrate Tyson (and one dominate him) with a good jab, uppercuts, and knowing how to clinch, Holmes in his prime would smother him.
Re: Heavyweight fantasy Matchups WHO WOULD WIN?????
And that would win him the fight? Holmes couldn't punch - if you can't drop Ken Norton with flush shots there's something missing in your arsenal.dempseyfire wrote:Holmes-Tyson-Holmes TKO 11. If friggin' Tony Tucker and Douglas could frustrate Tyson (and one dominate him) with a good jab, uppercuts, and knowing how to clinch, Holmes in his prime would smother him.
He had a great chin, for sure, but if the slow (yet heavier punching) Shavers could catch him, I'm pretty sure Tyson would be able to land a shot identical to the one he landed in 1988. After that, Holmes is gone.
That's what I THINK would happen.
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abs_of_steel
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in the order posted
Joe louis v jack dempsey = louis by tko in 10 rounds
holmes v tyson = tyson by ko in 9 rounds
marciano v lewis = marciano by ko in round 3
ali v jack johnson = ali by easy decision
foreman v liston = foreman by late rounds tko
frazier v jeffries = agreed frazier by big ko rounds 5 - 8
Joe louis v jack dempsey = louis by tko in 10 rounds
holmes v tyson = tyson by ko in 9 rounds
marciano v lewis = marciano by ko in round 3
ali v jack johnson = ali by easy decision
foreman v liston = foreman by late rounds tko
frazier v jeffries = agreed frazier by big ko rounds 5 - 8
Great match ups...
Louis-Dempsey (Louis KO 14)
Louis should win this win by late stoppage or points but Jack has a chance. If he can drop Louis (even an off balance Louis) the Jack was a great finisher. I still like Louis though.
Holmes-Tyson (Holmes KO11)
Holmes has to avoid Tyson for the first 4 rounds. Holmes was brave and fearless and Tyson never beat anyone who wasn't intimidated by him. Tyson has the skills to win but not the heart or the ring savvy.
Marciano-Lewis (Lewis KO 10)
The Lewis jab and Marciano's scar tissue are a big factor. If Rocky can slip the jab and force Lewis to fight a a fast pace then he can win this. Lewis liked to keep the pace slow and can be outworked but he will be physically stronger in the clinches and might just have too much.
Holyfield-Charles (Charles W15)
Charles and Holyfield would put up a great fight but Charles is a great boxer and in against someone who was not a natural heavy too.
Foreman-Liston (Liston KO 10)
What is Foreman's prime? Sort of a mixture of the 2 incarnations. The body of the 1970s versions and the mind of the 40 year old. Still Liston's jab sets up his KO.
Frazier-Jeffries (Frazier W15)
GHreat one for the spectators and with these guys' stamina each round would just get better and better.
Louis-Dempsey (Louis KO 14)
Louis should win this win by late stoppage or points but Jack has a chance. If he can drop Louis (even an off balance Louis) the Jack was a great finisher. I still like Louis though.
Holmes-Tyson (Holmes KO11)
Holmes has to avoid Tyson for the first 4 rounds. Holmes was brave and fearless and Tyson never beat anyone who wasn't intimidated by him. Tyson has the skills to win but not the heart or the ring savvy.
Marciano-Lewis (Lewis KO 10)
The Lewis jab and Marciano's scar tissue are a big factor. If Rocky can slip the jab and force Lewis to fight a a fast pace then he can win this. Lewis liked to keep the pace slow and can be outworked but he will be physically stronger in the clinches and might just have too much.
Holyfield-Charles (Charles W15)
Charles and Holyfield would put up a great fight but Charles is a great boxer and in against someone who was not a natural heavy too.
Foreman-Liston (Liston KO 10)
What is Foreman's prime? Sort of a mixture of the 2 incarnations. The body of the 1970s versions and the mind of the 40 year old. Still Liston's jab sets up his KO.
Frazier-Jeffries (Frazier W15)
GHreat one for the spectators and with these guys' stamina each round would just get better and better.
All this is for fun, anyway. I still say it's impossible to predict match ups of HWs across so many decades. No common opponents. Opponents aren't usually anywhere near the same size or have fought the same kind of fighters, and for that reason (and others, of course) I just think it's difficult to be so sure what would actually happen.
We can't even predict half the times who will win fights between today's active fighters.
But here goes ...
Louis vs. Dempsey
Louis by either late KO or a UD. Dempsey's tough, but I think his only real chance lies in landing the big one. Otherwise, the bigger man with better skills picks him apart.
Holmes vs. Tyson
Okay, so I buy the assumption (Brockton) that Holmes was susceptible to the big right hand. I still say Holmes, if he doesn't get caught, works the jab and eventually breaks Tyson down and maybe even stops him late. About the same thing I told you I thought he would do with Marciano in a different thread and you got all worked up about it.
Marciano vs. Lewis
To me, the situation here is about the same. Never have questioned Marciano's toughness, punching power or will to win, but at 5'11" 185 pounds, he inevitably catches too much hard leather just trying to get to 6'5" 240 pound Lewis to be able to hit him. With Lewis chin being a question mark, I do give Marciano a puncher's chance, but I still think with this kind of size disparity (and especially considering Lewis is NOT an unskilled fighter) Lewis wins. I'll call it a UD or fight stopped on cuts.
Ali vs. Johnson
Johnson was ahead of his time -- like high school kid picking a fight in front of the junior high school. Imagine, though, dropping Ali in the era Johnson fought in. Just taking the two on face value, I say Johnson never saw the kind of competition that could prepare him for Ali's skills and quick hands. Ali by UD.
Foreman vs. Liston
Could pretty much go either way. Interesting that lot of times you put two sluggers in the ring and the fight goes the distance. But Liston didn't spend himself like Foreman did, so I think, if he weathers Foreman early, he probably stops him in the middle rounds.
Frazier vs. Jeffries
Haven't studied enough on Jeffries. I get the impression he was his era's version of George Chuvalo. Joe beat Chuvalo, so I'll say Smokin' Joe mauls his way to a UD.
We can't even predict half the times who will win fights between today's active fighters.
But here goes ...
Louis vs. Dempsey
Louis by either late KO or a UD. Dempsey's tough, but I think his only real chance lies in landing the big one. Otherwise, the bigger man with better skills picks him apart.
Holmes vs. Tyson
Okay, so I buy the assumption (Brockton) that Holmes was susceptible to the big right hand. I still say Holmes, if he doesn't get caught, works the jab and eventually breaks Tyson down and maybe even stops him late. About the same thing I told you I thought he would do with Marciano in a different thread and you got all worked up about it.
Marciano vs. Lewis
To me, the situation here is about the same. Never have questioned Marciano's toughness, punching power or will to win, but at 5'11" 185 pounds, he inevitably catches too much hard leather just trying to get to 6'5" 240 pound Lewis to be able to hit him. With Lewis chin being a question mark, I do give Marciano a puncher's chance, but I still think with this kind of size disparity (and especially considering Lewis is NOT an unskilled fighter) Lewis wins. I'll call it a UD or fight stopped on cuts.
Ali vs. Johnson
Johnson was ahead of his time -- like high school kid picking a fight in front of the junior high school. Imagine, though, dropping Ali in the era Johnson fought in. Just taking the two on face value, I say Johnson never saw the kind of competition that could prepare him for Ali's skills and quick hands. Ali by UD.
Foreman vs. Liston
Could pretty much go either way. Interesting that lot of times you put two sluggers in the ring and the fight goes the distance. But Liston didn't spend himself like Foreman did, so I think, if he weathers Foreman early, he probably stops him in the middle rounds.
Frazier vs. Jeffries
Haven't studied enough on Jeffries. I get the impression he was his era's version of George Chuvalo. Joe beat Chuvalo, so I'll say Smokin' Joe mauls his way to a UD.
All this is for fun, anyway. I still say it's impossible to predict match ups of HWs across so many decades. No common opponents. Opponents aren't usually anywhere near the same size or have fought the same kind of fighters, and for that reason (and others, of course) I just think it's difficult to be so sure what would actually happen.
We can't even predict half the times who will win fights between today's active fighters.
But here goes ...
Louis vs. Dempsey
Louis by either late KO or a UD. Dempsey's tough, but I think his only real chance lies in landing the big one. Otherwise, the bigger man with better skills picks him apart.
Holmes vs. Tyson
Okay, so I buy the assumption (Brockton) that Holmes was susceptible to the big right hand. I still say Holmes, if he doesn't get caught, works the jab and eventually breaks Tyson down and maybe even stops him late. About the same thing I told you I thought he would do with Marciano in a different thread and you got all worked up about it.
Marciano vs. Lewis
To me, the situation here is about the same. Never have questioned Marciano's toughness, punching power or will to win, but at 5'11" 185 pounds, he inevitably catches too much hard leather just trying to get to 6'5" 240 pound Lewis to be able to hit him. With Lewis chin being a question mark, I do give Marciano a puncher's chance, but I still think with this kind of size disparity (and especially considering Lewis is NOT an unskilled fighter) Lewis wins. I'll call it a UD or fight stopped on cuts.
Ali vs. Johnson
Johnson was ahead of his time -- like high school kid picking a fight in front of the junior high school. Imagine, though, dropping Ali in the era Johnson fought in. Just taking the two on face value, I say Johnson never saw the kind of competition that could prepare him for Ali's skills and quick hands. Ali by UD.
Foreman vs. Liston
Could pretty much go either way. Interesting that lot of times you put two sluggers in the ring and the fight goes the distance. But Liston didn't spend himself like Foreman did, so I think, if he weathers Foreman early, he probably stops him in the middle rounds.
Frazier vs. Jeffries
Haven't studied enough on Jeffries. I get the impression he was his era's version of George Chuvalo. Joe beat Chuvalo, so I'll say Smokin' Joe mauls his way to a UD.
We can't even predict half the times who will win fights between today's active fighters.
But here goes ...
Louis vs. Dempsey
Louis by either late KO or a UD. Dempsey's tough, but I think his only real chance lies in landing the big one. Otherwise, the bigger man with better skills picks him apart.
Holmes vs. Tyson
Okay, so I buy the assumption (Brockton) that Holmes was susceptible to the big right hand. I still say Holmes, if he doesn't get caught, works the jab and eventually breaks Tyson down and maybe even stops him late. About the same thing I told you I thought he would do with Marciano in a different thread and you got all worked up about it.
Marciano vs. Lewis
To me, the situation here is about the same. Never have questioned Marciano's toughness, punching power or will to win, but at 5'11" 185 pounds, he inevitably catches too much hard leather just trying to get to 6'5" 240 pound Lewis to be able to hit him. With Lewis chin being a question mark, I do give Marciano a puncher's chance, but I still think with this kind of size disparity (and especially considering Lewis is NOT an unskilled fighter) Lewis wins. I'll call it a UD or fight stopped on cuts.
Ali vs. Johnson
Johnson was ahead of his time -- like high school kid picking a fight in front of the junior high school. Imagine, though, dropping Ali in the era Johnson fought in. Just taking the two on face value, I say Johnson never saw the kind of competition that could prepare him for Ali's skills and quick hands. Ali by UD.
Foreman vs. Liston
Could pretty much go either way. Interesting that lot of times you put two sluggers in the ring and the fight goes the distance. But Liston didn't spend himself like Foreman did, so I think, if he weathers Foreman early, he probably stops him in the middle rounds.
Frazier vs. Jeffries
Haven't studied enough on Jeffries. I get the impression he was his era's version of George Chuvalo. Joe beat Chuvalo, so I'll say Smokin' Joe mauls his way to a UD.
15 round fights
Joe Louis vs Jack Dempsey
- Joe Louis would knock Dempsey out. I think Dempsey would come after Joe but as soon as Joe hit him, and Dempsey wasn't hard to hit, Dempsey would go to sleep. Say what you want, Joe Louis is one of the hardest punchers of all time, and no fighter Dempsey ever faced hit nearly as hard a Joe.
Larry Holmes vs Mike Tyson
- Mike Tyson early KO. I don't dispute this one bit. The pre-buster douglas tyson would destroy Larry Holmes within 2 rounds.
Rocky Marciano vs Lennox Lewis
- Okay, Lennox is a 250 pound 6'6" inch man with great skills. I think if he came in the way he did against Rahman 2, and McCall 2, he would knock Rocky out. However, I don't see him coming in that way because I can't name 5 fights where he really brought it all night. I think Rocky would catch him much the same way Rahman 1 and McCall 1 did and knock him out in the later rounds. Rocky had an awesome punch, great heart and chin, and his stamina was solid.
Muhammad ALi vs Jack Johnson
- A great tactical fight. I think Ali wins this simply because he had more experience against a higher class of fighter. He would be used to smooth boxers. Jack wouldn't because he fought to many slow, lumbering great white hopes (no disrespect meant). Unanimous Decision for Ali.
Evander Holyfield vs Ezzard Charles
- I don't see Ezzard Charles winning this one. I just can't. He was great, don't get me wrong about that, but I think Holyfield is one of the top 5 Heavyweights since Ali, and I think 4 of them could beat Charles. A top notch Evander Holyfield, the one from the first Tyson fight, or the second Bowe fight, would knock Charles out in the late rounds of an even fight.
George Foreman vs Sonny Liston
- Which Foreman? I think Sonny Liston would knock out the young George Foreman just because I thought he was a little green even for a guy that mowed down everything in destructive fashion before Ali got him. However, I think the come back George Foreman would have fought him a close fight, but lose a decision based only on the fact that Liston had a great jab. Either way, Liston wins.
Joe Frazier vs James Jeffries
- You know, I don't even think James Jeffries belongs on the same list as these guys. Sorry. I think everyone on here would out box him, and knock him out. Joe is no different. Joe would knock him out.
Joe Louis vs Jack Dempsey
- Joe Louis would knock Dempsey out. I think Dempsey would come after Joe but as soon as Joe hit him, and Dempsey wasn't hard to hit, Dempsey would go to sleep. Say what you want, Joe Louis is one of the hardest punchers of all time, and no fighter Dempsey ever faced hit nearly as hard a Joe.
Larry Holmes vs Mike Tyson
- Mike Tyson early KO. I don't dispute this one bit. The pre-buster douglas tyson would destroy Larry Holmes within 2 rounds.
Rocky Marciano vs Lennox Lewis
- Okay, Lennox is a 250 pound 6'6" inch man with great skills. I think if he came in the way he did against Rahman 2, and McCall 2, he would knock Rocky out. However, I don't see him coming in that way because I can't name 5 fights where he really brought it all night. I think Rocky would catch him much the same way Rahman 1 and McCall 1 did and knock him out in the later rounds. Rocky had an awesome punch, great heart and chin, and his stamina was solid.
Muhammad ALi vs Jack Johnson
- A great tactical fight. I think Ali wins this simply because he had more experience against a higher class of fighter. He would be used to smooth boxers. Jack wouldn't because he fought to many slow, lumbering great white hopes (no disrespect meant). Unanimous Decision for Ali.
Evander Holyfield vs Ezzard Charles
- I don't see Ezzard Charles winning this one. I just can't. He was great, don't get me wrong about that, but I think Holyfield is one of the top 5 Heavyweights since Ali, and I think 4 of them could beat Charles. A top notch Evander Holyfield, the one from the first Tyson fight, or the second Bowe fight, would knock Charles out in the late rounds of an even fight.
George Foreman vs Sonny Liston
- Which Foreman? I think Sonny Liston would knock out the young George Foreman just because I thought he was a little green even for a guy that mowed down everything in destructive fashion before Ali got him. However, I think the come back George Foreman would have fought him a close fight, but lose a decision based only on the fact that Liston had a great jab. Either way, Liston wins.
Joe Frazier vs James Jeffries
- You know, I don't even think James Jeffries belongs on the same list as these guys. Sorry. I think everyone on here would out box him, and knock him out. Joe is no different. Joe would knock him out.