Roy Jones Jr. vs.

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 24 May 2005, 13:56

"Hagler would mangle Jones that's a fact, but my opinion is that Hagler was paid to lose against Leonard."

Grimm, you're the first guy to agree with me on the possibility of Hagler taking a dive in that fight. For a guy who was 32 and considered a monster at Middle, he was dreadful in that fight and I really thought it looked as though he was 'pullin' his punches. Don't get me wrong, Ray is brilliant but he's a Welter/super welter at best and with over 3 yrs out of the ring and he coasts against Marvin. Very suspect to say the least and if Marvin didn't take a dive, all it says is that the guy really wasn't as great as everyone made out. But against Minter and Hearns, he was devestating and then against Ray, a complete NOVICE.....If you watch it carefully, Marvin is actually staring at the canvas most of the time when he's throwing punches...

Anyway, Jones gets destroyed early against Holyfield and Marciano. Leonard is a draw, Ray was never a full middle, Hearns wins by early KO and the Hagler that beat Minter and Hearns wins by late TKO....

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 24 May 2005, 16:04

Funny people were picking Jones over Hearns...

Hearns would have blasted Jones faster than Tarver did.

The_Power · Post by **The_Power** » 24 May 2005, 16:30

Tantum wrote:Funny people were picking Jones over Hearns...

Hearns would have blasted Jones faster than Tarver did.

Hearns would have fallen to the awesome firepower that Roy had.

Hearns would have been dazzled by the speed, and at SM Hearn's chin could not survive.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 24 May 2005, 17:33

The_Power wrote:
Tantum wrote:Funny people were picking Jones over Hearns...

Hearns would have blasted Jones faster than Tarver did.
Hearns would have fallen to the awesome firepower that Roy had.

Hearns would have been dazzled by the speed, and at SM Hearn's chin could not survive.

Both had awesome speed and power and awful chins, but seeing how Hearns had a great reach advantage I see him having no problem handling RJJ.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 24 May 2005, 17:37

walshb wrote:"Hagler would mangle Jones that's a fact, but my opinion is that Hagler was paid to lose against Leonard."

Grimm, you're the first guy to agree with me on the possibility of Hagler taking a dive in that fight. For a guy who was 32 and considered a monster at Middle, he was dreadful in that fight and I really thought it looked as though he was 'pullin' his punches. Don't get me wrong, Ray is brilliant but he's a Welter/super welter at best and with over 3 yrs out of the ring and he coasts against Marvin. Very suspect to say the least and if Marvin didn't take a dive, all it says is that the guy really wasn't as great as everyone made out. But against Minter and Hearns, he was devestating and then against Ray, a complete NOVICE.....If you watch it carefully, Marvin is actually staring at the canvas most of the time when he's throwing punches...

Anyway, Jones gets destroyed early against Holyfield and Marciano. Leonard is a draw, Ray was never a full middle, Hearns wins by early KO and the Hagler that beat Minter and Hearns wins by late TKO....

THANK GOD. I am not the only one that thought this.

I also see Jones losing to all of the above, except Leonard because where Leonard didn't have the power Roy had, Roy didn't have the chin that Leonard had. So this would be a very interesting matchup.

ShoeShine · Post by **ShoeShine** » 27 May 2005, 14:31

I think Jones in his prime beats everyone except Marciano

zslayton · Post by **zslayton** » 13 Jun 2005, 22:15

sorry to be like this, but i don't think there has ever been a fighter with the combination of reflexes, skills, power, agility, and speed of a prime RJJ.

i think he would have beaten all of these guys. the worst i can see him doing is having a couple of fights like he did with bernard hopkins with a few of these guys.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 13 Jun 2005, 22:19

woa woa woa slayton. come on now. as fast and skilled as roy jones is. Marciano is way too powerful, strong and agressive for him. once marciano hit roy, roy would be out and he would hit roy. marciano would pound him to the body or head. marciano KO 7 roy jones. Jones never faced a strong big guy like marciano and never faced a puncher of marcianos caliber. USE COMMON SENSE

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 14 Jun 2005, 03:54

You guys never consider the fact that every generation is better than the last, it's called evolution.

Just like runners keep running faster and faster, and records always get broken, each generation of fighter is stronger, faster, technically superior, than the generation that preceeds him.

Hagler vs Jones would have been similar to Toney vs Jones

Marciano, great for his time, but realistically, those guys were just starting to figure out how to use a jab back then.

Jones would kill any fighter from 50 years ago, that's true for all of today's top fighters.

Guys like Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Klitchko, etc..., would have murdered Jack Johnson, the guy kept his hands around his waist for christ's sake.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 14 Jun 2005, 08:53

WOW BADLBLOOD I LOST RESPECT FOR U. U DONT KNOW WHAT UR TALKING ABOUT MAN. U NEED TO REALIZE HOW MUCH TOUHHGER OLD FIGHTERS WERE AND THEY HIT JUST HAS HARD IF NOT HARDER. THEY HAD GOOD DEFENSE AND THE FIGHTERS OF THE 40S AND 50S KEPT THEIR HANDS HIGHER THAN THE FIGHTERS OF THE 20S

ROY JONES WOULD DEFINETELY NOT BEAT MARCIANO.

jab · Post by **jab** » 14 Jun 2005, 10:02

BADBLOOD

You guys never consider the fact that every generation is better than the last, it's called evolution.

Just like runners keep running faster and faster, and records always get broken, each generation of fighter is stronger, faster, technically superior, than the generation that preceeds him.

You are right for most sports, but not necessarily for boxing. Who of todays fighters could beat a prime Ali or even a prime Foreman? Can you name one fighter from this sorry bunch that could do such a thing?

Marciano, great for his time, but realistically, those guys were just starting to figure out how to use a jab back then.

come on, have you seen any of todays heavyweights use the jab as precisely and skilfully as Louis? Could any of todays top 10 beat Louis in his prime?

Jones would kill any fighter from 50 years ago, that's true for all of today's top fighters.

Ok, then please tell us who could beat Liston in his prime from the sorry bunch of heavies today? (please include only active fighters.

You are rights that in sports that test speed and weight lifting power, todays athletes are better than i nthe past generations. We can easily see this by the records they break in every new Olympic events. But in fighting sports, some generations are better than others.

I am not saying that in the future there wont be fighters better than Ali, Foreman, Louis, Marciano etc. Just that some generations are poorer in such fighting talent than other generations. In fighting there is no straight line of progress and improvement like in other sports.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 14 Jun 2005, 17:02

The athletes of today are better conditioned than the athletes of yesteryear.

How could you not possibly know that.

barry · Post by **barry** » 14 Jun 2005, 17:05

The biggest percentage of fighters today have a hell of a time going through twelve rounds, I couldn't imagine what they would be like if they had to go twenty, or especially forty-five, so today's atheletes are far from better conditioned...they may look better from lifting weights, but that means very little in boxing!

zslayton · Post by **zslayton** » 14 Jun 2005, 17:31

[You are right for most sports, but not necessarily for boxing. Who of todays fighters could beat a prime Ali or even a prime Foreman? Can you name one fighter from this sorry bunch that could do such a thing?

No fighter in todays heavyweight division could beat either of these guys, but top of the tier Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe, or Lewis would do well against any of them.

Jones would kill any fighter from 50 years ago, that's true for all of today's top fighters.

For Roy Jones Jr it is true, but for the other guys from today I don't think so. Some of them could fight and win in any era, but not all of themI agree with some of what you say, but not all of it. Roy Jones Junior was the best p4p of the 90s and first 2 years of the 2k. What I really think is most guys from today would beat most guys from 50 years ago with the exception of all time greats like Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong to name a few, but only the most exceptional talents of that era could compete today. I think things should be looked at in 20 year periods. I don't think the sport or the fighters evolves that much in 20 years, but 50 or 60 years, yeah.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 19 Jun 2005, 01:38

Roy Jones loses all of them by KO except for the one with Ray Leonard, that one could go either way.

tiredoldngrey · Post by **tiredoldngrey** » 21 Jun 2005, 10:07

To this list specifically,: At 160 Hagler desroys RJJ . He would be too much of everything for Jones, whon really has no businesws being compared to Hagler. Leonard beats him, though at 168 he was near the end and didn't take a punch well. He would hit back, however and |R|||JJ had no stomach for a fight. Hearns is the one I believe RJJ would win, or could win, if he landed well on Hearns who never met a punch he could handle. At 175 or 190 Holyfield beats up RJJ; a brave mediocre HW Evander was good at the above weights. Marciano? Come on now

RJJ was fast etc.. but his chin was in the air his hands at his waist and he was by no means a warrior

He in no way merits consideration in any top of list - just wait til I post my "why RJJ stunk" opus

Gem Rose Hyman · Post by **Gem Rose Hyman** » 23 Jun 2005, 02:58

RJJ
Roy Jones Jr. versus Good Retirement
Roy Jones won his first 17 fight by TKO/KO.
1st decision, 18th fight, was against Jorge Fernando Castro, who was 70-3.
Jones TKO or KO the next 3 fights.(Include G. Wolfe & G. Thomas)
Jones unanimous decision against Bernard Hopkins.(116-112 all judges)
Jones won the next 4 fights, 3 by TKO/KO.(Include T. Tate & T. Malinga)
Jones unanimous decision against James Toney.(Toney was down)
Jones won his next 7 fights, 6 by TKO/KO.(Include Pazienza & McCallum)
Jones lost by DQ for hitting Montel Griffin after KD.(Jones was losing)
Jones wins rematch with KO-1 of Montel Griffin.(RJJ is born)
RJJ win next 12 fights, 8 by TKO/KO.(Including C. Woods & J. Gonzalez)
RJJ unanimous decision against John Ruiz.(Death of RJJ)
Jones won against Antonio Tarver, 1st fight.(Very close but got exposed)
Jones caught with a left by Tarver, in the rematch.(Punch of the Year)
Jones caught with a right by Johnson.(Knocked cold the xxxx out.)
Good-Bye Champ

Don't get it misconstrued, Jones is Great.
But the fight with Ruiz & the weight for speed theory was a Pyrrhic victory.
So Jones V Good Retirement
AND STILL...

Roy Jones Jr. vs.

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