Classic American West Coast Boxing

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kikibalt wrote:Nonito Donaire Leaves Top Rank Over Golden Boy

March 16, 2011 by Edgar Gonzalez

The rivalry between Bob Arum’s promotional company Top Rank and Oscar De La Hoya’s Golden Boy Promotions will never end. The hate will continue to grow especially now that two-division world champion Nonito Donaire (26-1, 18 KOs) dumped Top Rank and signed with Golden Boy.

“The Filipino Flash” has signed an exclusive, multi-year agreement with Golden Boy Promotions.

The 28-year-old native of the Philippines is coming off of a spectacular second round stoppage of Fernando Montiel last month which earned him the WBC and WBO bantamweight titles fighting under the banner of promotional rival Top Rank which earn Donaire his highest purse of $350,000.

According to an inside source, Donaire’s contract with Top Rank doesn’t end until 2012. Top Rank’s lawyers have contacted Donaire’s attorney Jerry Bailey. Golden Boy’s lawyer Judd Burstein is also getting involved and it’s not going to be a pretty picture and as before, Arum will accumulate those legal fees just to prove his point.

The bantamweight division is becoming one of the most competitive and exciting divisions in boxing and that is why Golden Boy will do anything to get the right fighters.

Let the battle begin and don’t be surprised if Golden Boy’s Juan Manuel Marquez inks with Top Rank soon in a way of saying checkmate!
Nothing like good healthy competition to stir things up. Competition makes for a better product, in this case (hopefully) better fights. :box:
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Bobbin & Weavin wrote:
Ric wrote:
Bobbin & Weavin wrote: Nate Collins was my boyhood hero, he was the nicest guy in the gym, (Newman's in San Francisco) and treated my brother and I like friends long before we were. I saw some of his better fights, Jimmy Lester, Andy Heilman, when he knocked Andy down for the first time in his career, gave him a major concussion on top of a slash across his face and still had to fight for his life to decision Heilman, and Emile Griffith among others. The fight i didn't see was against Eugene Hart in Philadelphia, Hart had something like 25 KOs in a row with no losses and knocked Nate down in the second, Nate said he was hurt bad,enough to stay down but Hart laughed at him and called him a "not so polite" name...he woke the sleeping lion, Nate got up and stopped him in the later rounds and had to get a police escort out of the place. To this day he is very popular among the bay area boxing faternity. At the end of his career my father got Nate into the glaziers union and he worked as a glazier until his retirement, every couple of weeks or so Nate gives my 80 year old dad a call to see if he's doing okay, he's still my hero...thanks for posting that picture Frank.
Bruce :box:
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1966 photo of boxers Joey Giardello (top right) and Nate Collins (top left) stepping in between Benny Ford and Lefty O'Doul.
Now that's a picture i don't remember ever seeing; I called Nate when I heard Giardello passed away and he told me that Giardello was so mad after the fight was stopped that he tried to pick a fight with him later when the were picking up their checks in the promotors office. He said it took everyone in the place to stop Giardello...
Great picture thanks for posting it.
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Thanks for sharing that Bruce. it's always nice to hear the story behind the story or as Paul Harvey would say, ..and now you know the rest of the story. :TU:
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Randyman wrote:I haven't been feeling to well. I went to the doctor yesterday.It was a follow up visit to a diabetic specialist. My numbers were bad. Diabetes has been kicking my arse lately. They wanted to put me on insulin but I'm just not ready for that. I insisted I could beat it with out having to start injecting myself. I can't quite accept that just yet.

Food is my Kryptonite, so I'm going to have to make changes. Jeri and the kids gave me hell about it today, No more pastramis and corned beef sandwiches, burritos with the works, potatoes, pasta, etc..... what else is there? Woe is me. :witzend:

Hope you start feeling better soon, Randy.
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Randyman wrote:I haven't been feeling to well. I went to the doctor yesterday.It was a follow up visit to a diabetic specialist. My numbers were bad. Diabetes has been kicking my arse lately. They wanted to put me on insulin but I'm just not ready for that. I insisted I could beat it with out having to start injecting myself. I can't quite accept that just yet.

Food is my Kryptonite, so I'm going to have to make changes. Jeri and the kids gave me hell about it today, No more pastramis and corned beef sandwiches, burritos with the works, potatoes, pasta, etc..... what else is there? Woe is me. :witzend:

Randy, you can beat this and also find something that replaces your enjoyment of food.
As your body adabts to a new diet start an excercise program. Allow yourself to cross-over to a new, more healthy path.
You are a fighter, and one of the best friends a person could have. Just dig in, your family won't have it any other way!
Those grand kids need you to teach them how to box, even the little girls. There is nothing comparable to good health, not even a pastrami sandwich.
We are in your corner on this one, and when you are feeling up to it. If I can help, I will.
Maybe we can eventually do a little workout together. The spirit of Mel will be our trainer! :oo :shame: :lol:
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Randyman wrote:
Bobbin & Weavin wrote:
Ric wrote: Image
1966 photo of boxers Joey Giardello (top right) and Nate Collins (top left) stepping in between Benny Ford and Lefty O'Doul.
Now that's a picture i don't remember ever seeing; I called Nate when I heard Giardello passed away and he told me that Giardello was so mad after the fight was stopped that he tried to pick a fight with him later when the were picking up their checks in the promotors office. He said it took everyone in the place to stop Giardello...
Great picture thanks for posting it.
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Thanks for sharing that Bruce. it's always nice to hear the story behind the story or as Paul Harvey would say, ..and now you know the rest of the story. :TU:
Yeah, that's cool. I like those stories that nobody can read about in the paper.
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Joe Louis was a fighting man :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-13ww045Fo
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Randyman wrote:I haven't been feeling to well. I went to the doctor yesterday.It was a follow up visit to a diabetic specialist. My numbers were bad. Diabetes has been kicking my arse lately. They wanted to put me on insulin but I'm just not ready for that. I insisted I could beat it with out having to start injecting myself. I can't quite accept that just yet.

Food is my Kryptonite, so I'm going to have to make changes. Jeri and the kids gave me hell about it today, No more pastramis and corned beef sandwiches, burritos with the works, potatoes, pasta, etc..... what else is there? Woe is me. :witzend:
Randy,
There is really only one rule to eating healthy...if it taste good, you can't have it. :witzend:
Hang in there buddy you have a great life it will be worth it!
Bruce
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Bobbin & Weavin wrote:
Randyman wrote:I haven't been feeling to well. I went to the doctor yesterday.It was a follow up visit to a diabetic specialist. My numbers were bad. Diabetes has been kicking my arse lately. They wanted to put me on insulin but I'm just not ready for that. I insisted I could beat it with out having to start injecting myself. I can't quite accept that just yet.

Food is my Kryptonite, so I'm going to have to make changes. Jeri and the kids gave me hell about it today, No more pastramis and corned beef sandwiches, burritos with the works, potatoes, pasta, etc..... what else is there? Woe is me. :witzend:
Randy,
There is really only one rule to eating healthy...if it taste good, you can't have it. :witzend:
Hang in there buddy you have a great life it will be worth it!
Bruce
Randy... I'm glad you saw the doctor before visiting Art' Deli.
Art's sandwiches are normally big, but for you they were going to build one that was huge.
No mas! :shame:
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I received this E-Mail some months back and thought I would share it with you now that I found it again

If this is Frank, Sr. my name is Steve Corbo.

When I lived in LA back in the mid 1970's I was a fan of yours and Frankie, Jr.. This goes back to 1976 - 1977. Tony was just a kid coming up, but Frankie had already turned pro and was starting to make a name for himself. (I later became a fan of Tony's)! I saw Frankie fight several times at the Olympic and knew he was something special. Man, I used to live at the Olympic... every Thursday night. Those were some of the best times I ever had. I worked out at Hoover Street Gym a few times, also went to Hollenbeck Youth Center once or twice. Would go up to Main Street Gym just to see who was there. I never fought pro and wasn't much of an amateur but I love the game and its still in my blood.

I was a pro judge in Illinois for many years also heavily involved for many years with the Chicago Golden Gloves. Over the years I worked with a couple of pro fighters. In recent years I have been doing some ring announcing. Mostly in Europe, but have done the undercard announcing on some HBO and Showtime Cards... working with Buffer and Lennon, Jr. Of course I vividly remember and knew Jimmy, Sr. I also have done the backup PA Announcing for the Chicago Blackhawks.

I met you and your sons many years ago in LA. You would have no reason to remember me, but I remember you guys fondly and with a lot of respect! Especially for the way you worked with Frankie and Tony. It is a rare thing in boxing to have a father-son team that actually works and you guys sure made it work well!

I was privileged to have seen so many great fighters in person, at the Olympic in the years I lived in LA... 1975 - 1978. I think I was blessed to have seen some of the greatest in the game! I still remember, like it was yesterday, seeing one of my favorite fights of all time... Albert "Superfly" Sandoval vs Alfonso Zamora at the Olympic. Never did see Frankie vs Juan Escobar, I was no longer in LA by that time. Hear it was a great fight!

I always felt your boys were class acts and certainly world class fighters. The were Champions! I am glad to read all three of you are in the Hall of Fame and doing well. I think I have a picture of Frankie from back around 1976 or '77 that I took at the Olympic! Time sure flies.

Was just looking on the Internet, found this email and thought I'd see if it is you and send my regards. So Best Regards and Thanks For All that you have Given to The Sport of Boxing!

Steve Corbo
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The above E-mail is what makes life worthwhile.... :TU:
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Randyman wrote:I haven't been feeling to well. I went to the doctor yesterday.It was a follow up visit to a diabetic specialist. My numbers were bad. Diabetes has been kicking my arse lately. They wanted to put me on insulin but I'm just not ready for that. I insisted I could beat it with out having to start injecting myself. I can't quite accept that just yet.

Food is my Kryptonite, so I'm going to have to make changes. Jeri and the kids gave me hell about it today, No more pastramis and corned beef sandwiches, burritos with the works, potatoes, pasta, etc..... what else is there? Woe is me. :witzend:
Randy, I hope you feel better soon. The hardest thing in life is not to be able to eat what you like, I know, as like Randy I am also a diabetic. I can't say "Randy, do this, do that" because I don't do none of it...Take care my friend... :TU:
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Just watch the movie "The Fighter", Great Movie!!. When the movie first came out I was not crazy about watching it, first of all I am not a movie guy, second, I didn't think that Mickey Ward's boxing career was worthy of a movie, I still don't think it is. But the movie is more about the Ward family than his boxing career, and what a family!, is "dysfunctional" too strong a word??...After watching this movie my appreciation for my family as far as the boys boxing careers go, just grew by leaps and bounds....Melissa Leo and Christian Bale stole the show...
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Randy, first, I admit that I'm a horrible backslider . . . I'm now up to 250+ and my blood sugar isn't good . . .

. . . but four or five years ago, I got down to 205 lbs. and had a fasting blood sugar of about ~100 by doing three things:

1. I walked three miles on a treadmill, six days a week.

2. My rule for eating was, "If God doesn't make it, I don't eat it." That means I ate as much meat, fresh veggies, fresh fruits, etc. as I wanted, but I didn't touch anything that was processed in a factory or that came out of a box. The only three exceptions were cottage cheese and coffee, and a diabetic milkshake (Glucerna) that I had in lieu of breakfast every morning.

3. I ate consistently every day. Breakfast, lunch, a light late afternoon snack before my walk, dinner, and a light snack before bed.

Before I started eating right and walking, I weighed 285 pounds. Within 6 months, I was down to 205. Yep, I lost 80 pounds in just six months.

Then I hurt my back and quit walking, and then I started "cheating" on my diet, and look what happened. But it can be done. I did it. I know you can too.

P.S.: God made potatos, and I ate as such potatoes as I wanted - with no ill effects. But no potato chips and no french fries - God didn't make the oil the chips and fries are cooked in.
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Randy, I lost about seventy pounds, going from 225 down to 155. It took a combination of watching what I eat and walking at a moderate pace for about four miles each day. At times, I rode a bicycle ten or more miles in a day instead of walking. Once I maintained such a routine, losing the weight became fairly easy. It is true that I gained about ten or fifteen pounds afterwards, but I felt that I was a little too skinny at 155 pounds.

- Chuck Johnston
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Frank, your reaction to "The Fighter" was similar to mine. Early last year, a fellow from Massachusetts told me about Mickey Ward and his dysfunctional family. In other words, it is probable that the makers of the film didn't have to use too much poetic license in portraying the family in such a negative light.

Looking up Dicky Ecklund's (right spelling?) record on BoxRec, I found that he was not stopped during his fairly mediocre career.

- Chuck Johnston
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih-nNCUuZBg

Jerry Quarry vs Eddie Machen
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kikibalt wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih-nNCUuZBg

Jerry Quarry vs Eddie Machen
I'll never forget this one. Jerry needed this loss. Machen schooled him on a thursday night at the Olympic.
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Chuck1052 wrote:Frank, your reaction to "The Fighter" was similar to mine. Early last year, a fellow from Massachusetts told me about Mickey Ward and his dysfunctional family. In other words, it is probable that the makers of the film didn't have to use too much poetic license in portraying the family in such a negative light.

Looking up Dicky Ecklund's (right spelling?) record on BoxRec, I found that he was not stopped during his fairly mediocre career.

- Chuck Johnston
Yeah, Ecklund's record was nothing to write home about....
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A Quarry-Machen memory . . .

Good to see Johnny Flores in Jerry's corner. :TU:
I was in the house that night with my dad and grandfather.
Heavyweights fought a lot different back then, didn't they? They really fought.
Eddie Machen a seasoned pro. Jerry was an unbeaten prospect, in the learning stages of world class heavyweight boxing. Machen was the teacher.
Not many walked down Jerry Quarry's power. Eddie Machen did that night. A beautiful exhibition of boxing and control.
The bastid whipped my stablemate, ruined my night! :witzend: :lol:
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Chuck1052 wrote:Randy, I lost about seventy pounds, going from 225 down to 155. It took a combination of watching what I eat and walking at a moderate pace for about four miles each day. At times, I rode a bicycle ten or more miles in a day instead of walking. Once I maintained such a routine, losing the weight became fairly easy. It is true that I gained about ten or fifteen pounds afterwards, but I felt that I was a little too skinny at 155 pounds.

- Chuck Johnston
Congratulations, Chuck! Since Feb. 1, I have been working on losing weight. That is my #1 priority these days. How long did it take for you to go from 225 to 155?
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Ric, it took me a few years. But I did have a trial-and-error period. When I finally cut down on bread and milk in addition to doing the daily walking, the weight came off in rapid order.

- Chuck Johnston
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May 16, 1950

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Art Aragon_

Controversy reigned at the Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles after Tommy Campbell’s (140) strange performance in a third round stoppage loss to local star Art Aragon (137 ½).

Campbell’s odd antics started after he knocked the favored Aragon through the ropes and onto the ring apron with a right hand in the second round. According to George Main of the Los Angeles Herald-Express, Campbell appeared "amazed" by what he’d done and "reached out as if to help Aragon to his feet" before backing off while the count was administered. After rising at eight, the Golden Boy looked none too steady but rather than go for the finish, Campbell made the bizarre move of retreating to a neutral corner and allowing Aragon (pictured, Antiquities of the Prize Ring) to wail away on him until the end of the round…

Never once did the onetime high-ranking Illinois battler make a serious move to ward off Aragon’s stream of leather.

At this sudden turn of events the crowd went into an uproar with many fans making uncomplimentary charges about Campbell’s integrity.

– Cal Whorton, Los Angeles Times

When he came out for the third session, Campbell continued to make no effort to defend himself, seemingly content to stand and get drilled by Aragon's right hand, before eventually being dropped for the count. At the finish, "most of the 7500 spectators were on their feet yelling 'fake' and showing the ring with debris." Commission representative Clayton Frye was none too impressed either, and told the press he believed the strange happenings "could do with some investigating."

The opinion of foul play wasn’t shared by matchmaker Babe McCoy, who stated that he saw nothing amiss with the bout, brushing aside rumors that Campbell had taken a dive "to help build Aragon up."

The purses of the fighters were held up until a hearing before Norman Houston of the California State Athletic Commission two days later. Campbell explained his performance by saying that he didn’t want to veer from his plan of trying to outbox Aragon, believing that the local star wasn’t really hurt after the knockdown. He also reiterated the reason he’d given immediately after the bout for backing off, explaining that he’d been partially blinded after being hit in the eye.

Though Mushy Callahan and Joe Stone, the two official fight judges, stated at the hearing that something wasn’t quite right about the fight, Houston ruled that "the facts don’t support any form of collusion."

First they ask the supposed culprits if they had been bad boys, then accept their denials as factual… Then they ignore the fact that two of the three ringside officials swore under oath that they though the bout was "fishy" while it was in progress. Result: None, as usual.

– Dick Hyland, Los Angeles Times

* In 1956, McCoy was banned for life by the CSAC for "ordering fights lost to fighters including Art Aragon, Harry Mathews and Del Flanagan." The ban came after Campbell testified as a surprise witness before a special investigating committee set up by California Governor Goodwin J. Knight. Campbell told the committee he was there voluntarily "to do what was right." According to Campbell’s testimony, his manager George Moore had made a deal with McCoy before the bout. Campbell explained that he was supposed to "make it look good" for three rounds, and in doing so had nearly knocked Aragon out by accident, prompting the strange sequence of events in the second round that had lead to the original suspicions over the bout’s legitimacy.
* Fighters Georgie Hansford and Watson Jones also testified at the hearing, stating that they had tanked fights for McCoy. Jones also testified that the influential matchmaker had robbed him of his purses.
* At the hearing, it was also revealed the Clayton Frye had been barred from the dressing rooms by the Olympic Auditorium management, making it very difficult for the commission member to properly oversee what took place at the venue. Rather suspiciously, the CSAC refused at the time to do anything about Frye’s lack of access.
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Luis "El Fero" Rodriquez & Battling Torres
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Photo courtesy of Blanca Gutierrez
Javier "Baby Face" Gutierrez (l) and his best friend and fighter
Hector Cortez prepare for a 1950 fight. Gutierrez will enter the
California Boxing Hall of Fame in June.
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kikibalt wrote:
Chuck1052 wrote:Frank, your reaction to "The Fighter" was similar to mine. Early last year, a fellow from Massachusetts told me about Mickey Ward and his dysfunctional family. In other words, it is probable that the makers of the film didn't have to use too much poetic license in portraying the family in such a negative light.

Looking up Dicky Ecklund's (right spelling?) record on BoxRec, I found that he was not stopped during his fairly mediocre career.

- Chuck Johnston
Yeah, Ecklund's record was nothing to write home about....

But Frank, he knocked down Sugar Ray Leonard. :lol: :shame:
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