McBride

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 12 Jun 2005, 17:19

No, I am not going to start a McBride is world class thread all call for him to fight for a world title. However, I do think he warrants a seperate thread because he is getting very little in the way of props.

Whilst he is a way short of World class (by some distance) he is definately an improved fighter on the guy who lost to Luis Monaco and Michael Murray.

2 days ago the thought of McBride vs Skelton, Sprott, Williams and Harrison would have had me in fits of laughter and I would have said that for Audley it is very little improvement on Mike Middleton. However, he is a definately a little better than that now and whilst I would still tip the four top Brit boys to beat him, I don't think its a joke match and would be competitive.

Chopping Right · Post by **Chopping Right** » 12 Jun 2005, 17:21

I'd have to see the Tyson fight to make any re-evaluation of McBride. He was so poor though it's hard to imagine much improvement, very stiff and upright. You saw the fight though - big improvement?

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 12 Jun 2005, 17:24

Chopping Right wrote:I'd have to see the Tyson fight to make any re-evaluation of McBride. He was so poor though it's hard to imagine much improvement, very stiff and upright.

Stamina has improved since the Monaco / Murray days and showed some nice thought with the uppercuts when Tyson was coming in. I thought before he was too robotic to think of shots like that.

Still slow, stiff and upright but there were other aspects I thought he had improved - like stamina, heart and durability.

I think a fight with Skelton would be quite intresting, both lumbering Heavyweights.

Chopping Right · Post by **Chopping Right** » 12 Jun 2005, 17:28

By the sound of things he had the nous to work to a plan, which is good going. Don't think he'll be fighting in the UK again now though, he will have some commercial value briefly now as a "name" opponent.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 12 Jun 2005, 17:31

I dont even think he will get another big fight like that. IMO his performance last night was pathetic and would only match the likes of Matt Skelton.

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 12 Jun 2005, 19:21

stujones wrote: 2 days ago the thought of McBride vs Skelton, Sprott, Williams and Harrison would have had me in fits of laughter and I would have said that for Audley it is very little improvement on Mike Middleton.

Shows how far Tyson has declined if you only rated Mcbride slightly higher than Middleton!

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 12 Jun 2005, 20:05

Matchfixer wrote:
stujones wrote: 2 days ago the thought of McBride vs Skelton, Sprott, Williams and Harrison would have had me in fits of laughter and I would have said that for Audley it is very little improvement on Mike Middleton.
Shows how far Tyson has declined if you only rated Mcbride slightly higher than Middleton!

Or how much McBride has improved since the Monaco / Murray defeats when I was watching him more regularly. I saw his last fight and I thought his performance was improved on that - although Moriaty would probably beat Tyson now (christ it pains me to write that).

Loynesy · Post by **Loynesy** » 13 Jun 2005, 11:52

It is the obvious fight for Audley, who would stop him in four.

Raff The Frenchman · Post by **Raff The Frenchman** » 15 Jun 2005, 05:06

Mc Bride is a class C fighter, he lost to Axel Shultz who is barely a class B fighter...Tyson was shot, out of shape and unmotivated...its just as glorious as Larry Donald beating Holyfield...Mc Bride would crumble in front of any class B HW...

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 15 Jun 2005, 08:03

Tyson has fought just once a year for the last 5 years, he's aged 39, and his last fight against top flight opposition saw him get an almighty battering against Lewis, a 9 round one-sided beating. Tyson didn't even really want that fight, it was clear from the talk beforehand, and he was trying to quit between rounds, there was little left in the tank even then.

He looked good for 2-3 rounds against Williams, but not good enough to finish it.

His last really impressive performance was a 12 round win over Razor Ruddock in 1991.

McBride knew he only had to survive a few rounds and that Tyson would just fall apart. I didn't see the fight, but from what I hear McBride didn't land anything meaningful, Tyson just quit because he didn't want to fight any more.

I don't think Tyson ever really regained the desire to fight after Prison, he was ok when he could blow people out before a fight developed, but in any fight since then when he had to go to the trenches, he lost. The only person he beat after the halfway stage after prison was Brian Nielsen, who couldn't crack an egg if he had a steamroller.

Tyson hasn't been a great fighter since the early 90's, and was arguably never the same after the douglas defeat, and certainly not after jail.

Let's not credit McBride with doing anything more than following the script neccesary to beat Tyson.

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 15 Jun 2005, 08:38

From the looks of this he basically got caught with a decentish jab then dry-rooted into submission

jab · Post by **jab** » 15 Jun 2005, 09:05

Hey, McBride beat Tyson fair and square. He might have been even or a round down on the official cards, but he made Tyson quit, took his punches and won some good trades.
Sure he is not a top 15 or even 20, but he beat Tyson. Tyson quit becaue he was afraid he will be stopped in the next round and cowardly quit.
He was hoping the ref will DQ him so at least he will have some excuse and get another 7 figures fight, but the ref didnt DQ him for arm breaking attempts, tit bitting and low blows, so he quit on his stool, even though he wasnt hurt.
If an injured Vitali quitting for what required shoulder surgery was cowardly, then what Tyson did is doubly so.
Would have been better to end on his back than to quit in his career ending fight.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 15 Jun 2005, 11:13

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Tyson has fought just once a year for the last 5 years, he's aged 39, and his last fight against top flight opposition saw him get an almighty battering against Lewis, a 9 round one-sided beating. Tyson didn't even really want that fight, it was clear from the talk beforehand, and he was trying to quit between rounds, there was little left in the tank even then.

He looked good for 2-3 rounds against Williams, but not good enough to finish it.

His last really impressive performance was a 12 round win over Razor Ruddock in 1991.

McBride knew he only had to survive a few rounds and that Tyson would just fall apart. I didn't see the fight, but from what I hear McBride didn't land anything meaningful, Tyson just quit because he didn't want to fight any more.

I don't think Tyson ever really regained the desire to fight after Prison, he was ok when he could blow people out before a fight developed, but in any fight since then when he had to go to the trenches, he lost. The only person he beat after the halfway stage after prison was Brian Nielsen, who couldn't crack an egg if he had a steamroller.

Tyson hasn't been a great fighter since the early 90's, and was arguably never the same after the douglas defeat, and certainly not after jail.

Let's not credit McBride with doing anything more than following the script neccesary to beat Tyson.

James, I not denying what you are saying about Tyson. However, I still didn't expect McBride to follow the script. I didn't think he would have the stamina to last those few rounds - hence my initial post.

I'm not saying he is a special fighter or could do anything, but he has improved.

He is a big, strong lad with now decentish stamina and decent durability. The last two he never had before.

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