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Randyman wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Of course, maybe O'Grady wouldn't have patience with the idiocy of Merchant & Lampley?
Ha! Sean is one of the least confrontational people you'll ever meet. :lol: And if they pay him enough, he'll put up with stupidity for hours on end . . . :lol:
I remember one night when Sean was commentator for a Ray Mancini fight, I don't remember who Ray was fighting but after seeing Ray take a couple of good shots from his opponent, Sean says to his fellow commentator, "Mancini takes a pretty good punch for an Italian". I thought it was hilarious but there but there was a brouhaha about it for a few weeks. Do you remember that Tom?
Marciano, LaMotta, etc. :lol:
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CNorkusJr wrote:Ric, I loved your rememberance of going to The Olympic. Sometimes I find myself out of town and in another city where my father fought. It happened in 1988 when I was in San Francisco to go to my then sister-in-laws graduation from nursing college. a trip to the SF Civic Auditorium turned out to be a pleasant suprise.
Another recent trip to Miami-to see the NY Jets vs. Miami Dolphins also included a trip to the old Miami Beach Auditorium. The Main front doors were open and my friend and I went in. We were met by a 25-30 yr old security guard who asked our business.
I told him my father fought battles there in the 1950's and would like to look inside.
He said the place has long been renovated into a concert hall with a stage at one end and permanent seating on floors and balconies and does not resemble the old Aud. from years ago.
I said okay but if I can peek through the doors it would do my heart well.
He said he cant do that as some European Pink Floyd Tribute Band was on stage doing sound checks and might interfere with it.(We all know better though).
Just then, a theatre stage manager just happened to appear and heard my conversation.
He said come with me and he took me to an upper balcony level and went inside the theatre area. Though renovated I could picture the way it was from my fathers video tapes of the Nardico and Pastrano fights he had there. It was a wonderful moment that I will forever remember.Please note that this is NOT the Miami Beach Convention Center that had great fights in its history.The Convention Center still exists and is literally just a few blocks away from Auditorium.
I'll be in Miami Beach at the end of next month, and I'll have to check it out. A few years ago, I went to the site of the the Fifth Street Gym in Miami Beach. All that was there was a plaque. However, I understand the gym is making a comeback at or near its old location. http://www.5thstgym.com/index.html I plan to check that out too.
A couple of weeks ago,Angelo Dundee was doing a live online chat and was discussing the new "made-over" 5th St Gym. It sounded like he had nothing to do with the new management,but whole heartly endorses it. He also discussed the plaque dedication for the "old" 5th St gym by local politicians who had to have their grubby hands into something they know nothing about. Ferdie Pacheco on hand as well as a few oldtimers. No Ali though.
The dedication of the plaque was longtime coming-but the disgrace of it all is the fact that Chris Dundee's name is nowhere to be found on it. It caught Angelo by complete surprise and he sounds mighty down about it. Terrible oversight. Chris Dundee ran boxing and its promotions in Miami- Angelo was key as to the Champs he trained.Angelo lives in Tampa now.
Miami also had another famous gym used by boxers. The Allie Ridgeway gym. Not sure of location or if it still exists.It might have been on Mainland Miami. Maxim trained there for the Moore fight I believe. I think my father was there also for the Pastrano fight,but was in 5th St for the Nardico fights.
As of this writing there was no plans to correct that-but hopefully they did some how.
Also, Florida started a Florida Boxing Hall of Fame 2 years ago. I think there is no museum site-but I could be wrong. They do have a website.
Just got back from West Palm Beach- Bring your shorts-its beautiful there now.Enjoy Tom.
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raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Of course, maybe O'Grady wouldn't have patience with the idiocy of Merchant & Lampley?
Ha! Sean is one of the least confrontational people you'll ever meet. :lol: And if they pay him enough, he'll put up with stupidity for hours on end . . . :lol:
Sean O'Grady . . .

He is one of the best former boxers to call a fight (The best I've ever seen). I'm aware that as an HBO commentator, you are expected to sell the fighters they are featuring, and get along with the established personalities. I would never expect O'Grady to confront his co-hosts, just inject something intelligent about the event on hand. Another fighter who was very good was Jerry Quarry before he blew his CBS gig, and launched numerous comebacks that destroyed his mind & body. Roy Jones does not speak well, Lennox Lewis does a good job, Bobby Czyz was pretty good in the beginning, but his obnoxious personna eventually came to surface. Ray Leonard is a gun for hire, will say anything that he's told. Most fighters are weak behind the mic. O'Grady has it all, intelligence, looks and experiuence. What in the hell is he doing selling real estate in Oklahoma? I saw him call an amateur/pro event recently, and it was way below his capability. I know it's not his call, but it really refelects another aspect of the ignorance that is driving professional boxing today. Sean and Gil Clancy would be great together, however, I imagine Clancy is to old these days. Sean is right in his prime for a ringside commentator. He deserves it.
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Sean O'Grady vs. Shig Fugiyama (pt. 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L8csyEbrj0

Pat O'Grady's power in Oklahoma kept this bout going long after it should have been stopped.
But it allowed Sean O'Grady to show what he was really made of, and proved who the best man was in the ring that night.
I didn't think much of Pat O'Grady after this fight, as a father or a cornerman.
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Circus World theater, One of the arenas in Norway where they staged alot of boxing cards in the 10s 20s and 30s

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More on Sean O'Grady . . .

I believe Sean would have a field day with today's crop of lightweight contenders.
I was hoping to see O'Grady matched with Ray Mancini when they were both on top.
I believe that would have been a great fight.
But I truly believe O'Grady should be doing more ringside gigs, especially on some of the high profile PPV telecasts.
I really don't care if he says the Irish and Brits cut too easy, or the Italians can't take a punch, or that Arabs are cowards in the ring, etc.
In some cases, I'm sure all of the above is true. And I'm also sure that Sean has more class than most they put on the air.
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Rick Farris wrote:More on Sean O'Grady . . .

I believe Sean would have a field day with today's crop of lightweight contenders.
I was hoping to see O'Grady matched with Ray Mancini when they were both on top.
I believe that would have been a great fight.
But I truly believe O'Grady should be doing more ringside gigs, especially on some of the high profile PPV telecasts.
I really don't care if he says the Irish and Brits cut too easy, or the Italians can't take a punch, or that Arabs are cowards in the ring, etc.
In some cases, I'm sure all of the above is true. And I'm also sure that Sean has more class than most they put on the air.
I believe ive heard him commentating on some fights ive seen on youtube... and if its the same commentator im thinking of (cant name a fight though :witzend: ) youre absolutely right...
Good rs announcers are rare
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Panzerfaust wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:More on Sean O'Grady . . .

I believe Sean would have a field day with today's crop of lightweight contenders.
I was hoping to see O'Grady matched with Ray Mancini when they were both on top.
I believe that would have been a great fight.
But I truly believe O'Grady should be doing more ringside gigs, especially on some of the high profile PPV telecasts.
I really don't care if he says the Irish and Brits cut too easy, or the Italians can't take a punch, or that Arabs are cowards in the ring, etc.
In some cases, I'm sure all of the above is true. And I'm also sure that Sean has more class than most they put on the air.
I believe ive heard him commentating on some fights ive seen on youtube... and if its the same commentator im thinking of (cant name a fight though :witzend: ) youre absolutely right...
Good rs announcers are rare
He worked Tony's fight vs Pedro Laza on the old USA channel...that fight is on YT....
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Panzerfaust wrote:Circus World theater, One of the arenas in Norway where they staged alot of boxing cards in the 10s 20s and 30s

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Both photos from about 1935
Some questions

Thanks, Remy . . . Great photos! When was boxing outlawed in Norway?
Can you legally operate a boxing gym, training center, etc.?
I'm curious of the freedom to participate in boxing training and sparring, understanding that staged professional or amateur bouts are illegal?
What if you had an open workout, and boxers from different clubs were to participate, sparring sessions between clubs, with people paying admission to watch?
Where do they draw the line seperating what is acceptable, and what is against the law?
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kikibalt wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:More on Sean O'Grady . . .

I believe Sean would have a field day with today's crop of lightweight contenders.
I was hoping to see O'Grady matched with Ray Mancini when they were both on top.
I believe that would have been a great fight.
But I truly believe O'Grady should be doing more ringside gigs, especially on some of the high profile PPV telecasts.
I really don't care if he says the Irish and Brits cut too easy, or the Italians can't take a punch, or that Arabs are cowards in the ring, etc.
In some cases, I'm sure all of the above is true. And I'm also sure that Sean has more class than most they put on the air.
I believe ive heard him commentating on some fights ive seen on youtube... and if its the same commentator im thinking of (cant name a fight though :witzend: ) youre absolutely right...
Good rs announcers are rare
He worked Tony's fight vs Pedro Laza on the old USA channel...that fight is on YT....
Ive seen everything of Tony's on youtube so thats probably one of them... ill have to look it up again :TU:
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Panzerfaust wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote: I believe ive heard him commentating on some fights ive seen on youtube... and if its the same commentator im thinking of (cant name a fight though :witzend: ) youre absolutely right...
Good rs announcers are rare
He worked Tony's fight vs Pedro Laza on the old USA channel...that fight is on YT....
Ive seen everything of Tony's on youtube so thats probably one of them... ill have to look it up again :TU:
Here it is Ram

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp5JKVk_ALs

Tony Baltazar vs Pedro Laza
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World Champs Evander Holyfield, Sean O’Grady and Others Weigh-In on World Series of Boxing
January 19th, 2011


(COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo.) Six weeks into the inaugural season of the World Series of Boxing (World Series Boxing) and the experts are beginning to weigh-in on what they are seeing as some of the world’s best amateurs tackle the rigors of modified professional boxing within a unique team format.


“This sport is going to advance now the way it should have advanced 25 years ago,” former boxing world champion Sean O’Grady explained to Maxboxing’s Gabriel Montoya recently. “It’s a great bridge [to the pros]. It’s kind of what the sport needed. Supply and demand, I guess. The sport really needs something that gives you something different, something unusual, out of the ordinary.”

O’Grady has been ringside calling the action for VERSUS alongside veteran ringside announcer Alan Massengale since the Series began in Mexico City on November 19. The former lightweight world champion spoke at length with Montoya for a feature currently running on the maxboxing.com website about the WSB. To see that article, click HERE.

“I foresee this,” adds O’Grady. “When this tournament goes on, these kids are going to start sharing ideas. They are going to start talking on Twitter and Facebook about how they are caring for their injuries. They are learning
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Rick Farris wrote:World Champs Evander Holyfield, Sean O’Grady and Others Weigh-In on World Series of Boxing
January 19th, 2011


(COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo.) Six weeks into the inaugural season of the World Series of Boxing (World Series Boxing) and the experts are beginning to weigh-in on what they are seeing as some of the world’s best amateurs tackle the rigors of modified professional boxing within a unique team format.


“This sport is going to advance now the way it should have advanced 25 years ago,” former boxing world champion Sean O’Grady explained to Maxboxing’s Gabriel Montoya recently. “It’s a great bridge [to the pros]. It’s kind of what the sport needed. Supply and demand, I guess. The sport really needs something that gives you something different, something unusual, out of the ordinary.”

O’Grady has been ringside calling the action for VERSUS alongside veteran ringside announcer Alan Massengale since the Series began in Mexico City on November 19. The former lightweight world champion spoke at length with Montoya for a feature currently running on the maxboxing.com website about the WSB. To see that article, click HERE.

“I foresee this,” adds O’Grady. “When this tournament goes on, these kids are going to start sharing ideas. They are going to start talking on Twitter and Facebook about how they are caring for their injuries. They are learning

I'm happy to see O'Grady involved in a ringside position for this new concept. It keeps him active and in front of the cameras. :TU:
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Rick Farris wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:Circus World theater, One of the arenas in Norway where they staged alot of boxing cards in the 10s 20s and 30s

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Both photos from about 1935
Some questions

Thanks, Remy . . . Great photos! When was boxing outlawed in Norway?
Can you legally operate a boxing gym, training center, etc.?
I'm curious of the freedom to participate in boxing training and sparring, understanding that staged professional or amateur bouts are illegal?
What if you had an open workout, and boxers from different clubs were to participate, sparring sessions between clubs, with people paying admission to watch?
Where do they draw the line seperating what is acceptable, and what is against the law?
Thx. it was a much prettier building than the rubble they put up afterwards
boxing was outlawed in 1981
The line go's with arranging proffesional fights, Gyms and amateur boxing competitions are completely legal.
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Rick Farris wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Of course, maybe O'Grady wouldn't have patience with the idiocy of Merchant & Lampley?
Ha! Sean is one of the least confrontational people you'll ever meet. :lol: And if they pay him enough, he'll put up with stupidity for hours on end . . . :lol:
Sean O'Grady . . .

He is one of the best former boxers to call a fight (The best I've ever seen). I'm aware that as an HBO commentator, you are expected to sell the fighters they are featuring, and get along with the established personalities. I would never expect O'Grady to confront his co-hosts, just inject something intelligent about the event on hand. Another fighter who was very good was Jerry Quarry before he blew his CBS gig, and launched numerous comebacks that destroyed his mind & body. Roy Jones does not speak well, Lennox Lewis does a good job, Bobby Czyz was pretty good in the beginning, but his obnoxious personna eventually came to surface. Ray Leonard is a gun for hire, will say anything that he's told. Most fighters are weak behind the mic. O'Grady has it all, intelligence, looks and experiuence. What in the hell is he doing selling real estate in Oklahoma? I saw him call an amateur/pro event recently, and it was way below his capability. I know it's not his call, but it really refelects another aspect of the ignorance that is driving professional boxing today. Sean and Gil Clancy would be great together, however, I imagine Clancy is to old these days. Sean is right in his prime for a ringside commentator. He deserves it.
Gil Clancy .... , He was one of my favorite announcers back in the 1980s , he has that down to earth New York street guy way of talking, unlike so many of these so called ''articulate'' announcers who fake there enthusiasm. :TU:
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Randyman wrote:
Rick Farris wrote: Charlie, I don't know where Duran's power comes from, but it's beyond the legs, the body.
Duran's power and energy surpasses the normal human being. Without question.
My opinion, but anybody who was close to Duran for more than a minute will understand what I'm saying.
Anybody who stepped into a ring with Roberto Duran was treated like somebody who had entered his domain, his house, you were trying to steal something.
He didn't care if you were a pro, amateur, bigger, smaller, whatever, you were going to feel his power.
I loved Duran for the way he beat up an over-rated superstar, Sugar Ray Leonard. Leonard had his strengths, Duran was just stronger, a true great.
The "No Mas" thing reflected something in the nature of the great Duran that people could not relate to. He defied his legend. But he came back anyway.
Duran is a little crazy. All fighters are a little crazy?
Rick, you and I are on the same page with regards to Duran. "When Duran was Duran...." His power? He was just born with it.

I was watching Dancing with the stars on Monday night, when Leonard comes on and introduces himself to the camera "Hello, I'm Sugar Ray Leonard and I'm a boxing legend!" It's one thing for fans and the media to call someone a legend but somehow it doesn't set well with me when someone, anyone, calls himself a legend. A little to pompous for me. kind of like Roy Jones Jr, when he speaks in the third person as in "Roy Jones is hungry, Roy Jones is going to bed now". Or am I just being overly critical? :witzend:

I'm with you, Charlie! Leonard is a prima donna.
Recently, an award-winning filmmaker shot a great documentary on Latino boxers. He interviewed everybody you could think of, including Ray Leonard.
Of all the interview subjects, only one demanded a make-up artist, Leonard.
As for Jones, they should get rid of him. He's not only an egomaniac, he's just plain stupid.
I'm surprised the cable companies don't take advantage of Sean O'Grady, he is interesting at ringside.
Of course, maybe O'Grady wouldn't have patience with the idiocy of Merchant & Lampley?
Rick, that was me not Charlie that replied. We're on the same page with Leonard and Jones too. :TU:
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Randy, Don tells me you took care of biz.... :TU:
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Panzerfaust wrote:Circus World theater, One of the arenas in Norway where they staged alot of boxing cards in the 10s 20s and 30s

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Both photos from about 1935
Ram, I want to know about Anders Beer... :OhYes:
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Here it is Ram

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp5JKVk_ALs

Tony Baltazar vs Pedro Laza
Ive seen everything of Tony's on youtube so thats probably one of them... ill have to look it up again
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This Video proves two things . . .

For one, it shows why Frank isn't that impressed with Saul Alvarez. Tony was so much better. Damn, he was good and fun to watch.
It also validates my appreciation of Sean O'Grady at ringside. In round two, Laza is foored and the ref calls a slip. O'Grady pointed out it was a knockdown.
Should have been a 2-point round for Tony.
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Rick Farris wrote:More on Sean O'Grady . . .

I believe Sean would have a field day with today's crop of lightweight contenders.
I was hoping to see O'Grady matched with Ray Mancini when they were both on top.
I believe that would have been a great fight.
But I truly believe O'Grady should be doing more ringside gigs, especially on some of the high profile PPV telecasts.
I really don't care if he says the Irish and Brits cut too easy, or the Italians can't take a punch, or that Arabs are cowards in the ring, etc.
In some cases, I'm sure all of the above is true. And I'm also sure that Sean has more class than most they put on the air.
I always liked O'Grady as a ringside commentator, even when he did a stint as a commentator for the Toughman contests a few years back, though I did think it was a waste of his talent. He has a sense of humor and never seemed to take himself too seriously. He never came across as egotistical, plus he understood what was going on in the ring.
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kikibalt wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:Circus World theater, One of the arenas in Norway where they staged alot of boxing cards in the 10s 20s and 30s

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Ram, I want to know about Anders Beer... :OhYes:
I think youll be disapointed :lol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Beer_Wilse
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kikibalt wrote:Randy, Don tells me you took care of biz.... :TU:
All squared away Frank! :TU: :TU:
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