Classic American West Coast Boxing

[raylawpc]

Sean O'Grady vs. Shig Fugiyama (pt. 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L8csyEbrj0

Pat O'Grady's power in Oklahoma kept this bout going long after it should have been stopped.
But it allowed Sean O'Grady to show what he was really made of, and proved who the best man was in the ring that night.
I didn't think much of Pat O'Grady after this fight, as a father or a cornerman.

Pat said after the fight: "Sean could see."

I don't know if that was true or not - I was busy with law school and wasn't involved with the promotions anymore - but he really felt that a cut shouldn't stop a fight unless the victim couldn't see and couldn't defend himself anymore.

[kikibalt]

Tom , I couldn't agree more, I am an Italian American, but I am never offended by ethnic jokes, and like Pat O"Grady I often make ethnic jokes and make fun of the Guido Italians, I think to many people especially in recent years take there heritage too seriously when people are only saying things in jest.

Being Swedish, I am rarely the brunt of any ethnic jokes. Although I suspect that Remy, being a Norwegian, knows a few . . . I'd actually like to know a few Swedish jokes.

I guess you could be called, ''a Swedish meatball'' .

[kikibalt]

Sean O'Grady vs. Shig Fugiyama (pt. 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L8csyEbrj0

Pat O'Grady's power in Oklahoma kept this bout going long after it should have been stopped.
But it allowed Sean O'Grady to show what he was really made of, and proved who the best man was in the ring that night.
I didn't think much of Pat O'Grady after this fight, as a father or a cornerman.

Pat said after the fight: "There was a difference, Sean could see; Fukuyama couldn't."

I don't know if that was true or not - I was busy with law school and wasn't involved with the promotions anymore - but he really felt that a cut shouldn't stop a fight unless the victim couldn't see and defend himself anymore.

Shig Fugiyama, now where have I seen that name before???

[Rick Farris]

Being Swedish, I am rarely the brunt of any ethnic jokes. Although I suspect that Remy, being a Norwegian, knows a few . . . I'd actually like to know a few Swedish jokes.

I guess you could be called, ''a Swedish meatball'' .

One of my lighting mentors, Don Nygren, used to say .."You can always tell a Swede, but not much." That was a Swede's take on Swedes.

[raylawpc]

One of my lighting mentors, Don Nygren, used to say .."You can always tell a Swede, but not much." That was a Swede's take on Swedes.

He must have known my grandmother . . .

[raylawpc]

Tom , I couldn't agree more, I am an Italian American, but I am never offended by ethnic jokes, and like Pat O"Grady I often make ethnic jokes and make fun of the Guido Italians, I think to many people especially in recent years take there heritage too seriously when people are only saying things in jest.

Being Swedish, I am rarely the brunt of any ethnic jokes. Although I suspect that Remy, being a Norwegian, knows a few . . . I'd actually like to know a few Swedish jokes.

I guess you could be called, ''a Swedish meatball'' .

[Randyman]

Rick, I was referrng to the catch-all weights that Manny insists on when moving up in weight. I consider that an advantage, of a sort.

I don't dislike Pacquiao, but I just think the timing has been perfect for him. His biggest wins have been over fighters that were nearing the end of their careers. Two of his biggest wins, Hatton and De La Hoya were beaten by Mayweather first, Cotto was destroyed by Margarito first, and Margarto was destroyed by Mosley, now after seeing Mosley fight to a draw with Sergio Mora, Pacquiao agrees to fight Mosley. Do you think he would seriously consider fighting a prime top fighter like Sergio Mora? It'll never happen. Not unless Martinez gets knocked out in his next fight.

Rick, even you yourself have said in earlier posts that if Pacquiao was fighting in a earlier era he would just be another good fighter. (I'm paraphrasing). His own record here on boxre supports what I say. However, I do respect your opinion.

Can you name any high profile boxer that didn't make there name off those at the end of their careers? I can name only one, Manny Pacquaio, and his record supports my claim.
Was Marquez, Barrera or Morales over-the-hill? No. Martinez is a full on middleweight! Was Margarito past prime? I think anybody fighting today would have a much tougher time in past eras. Sugar Ray Leonard would have never made it to a title shot. Pac has the durability and longevity to be a major player in any era. And did Mayweather really beat Oscar? Not by much. Pac destroyed Oscar De La Hoya, broke his spirit and took his heart. Mayweather doesn't ruin fighters. Pac and Duran ruin boxers. Pac's record does not support your claims. Why not match Pac with the K brothers, if you think he should fight Martinez, that's what you may as well suggest. And who's to say that Sergio Martinez would win. One thing is for sure, fighting beyond the weight nature intended, Pac is having an easier time than he did with the little guys, but it takes a toll guys like Mayweather won't risk. We are witnessing greatness, all-time greatness when we see Pac. He is the ONLY contemporary boxer capable of competeing successfully in any previous era. This is why unbeaten Mayweather is ducking mega figures to fight him. Oscar looked like a kid beaten up in the school yard after Pac finished him. The same would have taken place if Pac was fighting Oscar at his best, at any weight. The kid from ELA with the pretty smile would have never beeen more than a losing opponent if matched with Manny Pacquiao. We are being strangled by non competitive fights at the top, except for Manny Pac, who fights everybody. We have a class act for a hero in boxing today, a guy of the nature of a Dempsey, a Joe Louis. He will likely be the last great fighter we ever see. And Mosely is the only viable opponent, not JMM, which is Oscar's choice. The big money is still a match with Mayweather, why screwit up with a match with Martinez which would surely take a heavy toll on the much smaller Pac (Who would beat Martinez, I believe, if they fought today.) I'd avoid the Martinez fight, it will not pay off like Mayweather and only threaten any chance of that match. I must take issue with every claim you make relating to Pac, those relating to his choice of opposition. You may as well ask why Roberto Duran avoided Carlos Monzon? I hope you aren't suggesting that Floyd Mayweather "softened up" Pacs future opposition? Come on, the guy slaps!

Rick my friend, we will have to respectfully agree to disagree. ;;-)

[Randyman]

Being Swedish, I am rarely the brunt of any ethnic jokes. Although I suspect that Remy, being a Norwegian, knows a few . . . I'd actually like to know a few Swedish jokes.

I guess you could be called, ''a Swedish meatball'' .

Yer making me hungry!!!!
Swedish meatballs over noodles is a wonderful thing.

[Randyman]

I remember one night when Sean was commentator for a Ray Mancini fight, I don't remember who Ray was fighting but after seeing Ray take a couple of good shots from his opponent, Sean says to his fellow commentator, "Mancini takes a pretty good punch for an Italian". I thought it was hilarious but there but there was a brouhaha about it for a few weeks. Do you remember that Tom?

No, not specifically. Sounds like something he would say, though I'm sure he said it to be funny and didn't intend to insult Mancini specifically or Italians generally. He got that stuff from his dad. His dad thought ethnic jokes and jibes were hilarious, but, to his credit, Pat would laugh just is loudly if somebody ripped the Irish. The O'Gradys never took that stuff seriously, and didn't think other people should either.

My kind of people....

Ditto

[Randyman]

Speaking of ethnicity, I just had a fantastic Greek salad, and it was no joke. I've really bean watching what i'm eating. I've been cutting my carbs. My blood sugar has been averaging about 125, down from 259. The best it has been in years I've learned that carbs are the real enemy. Can't wait to prove my doctor wrong.

[Rick Farris]

One of my lighting mentors, Don Nygren, used to say .."You can always tell a Swede, but not much." That was a Swede's take on Swedes.

He must have known my grandmother . . .

Don Nygren's parents both came from Sweden. He was a brilliant LD, and a good friend. He helped me in my carerr.
With Nygren I did Clint Eastwood movies, such as "Every Which Way But Loose", "Any which Way You Can", "Bronco Billy", "Fire Fox" and "In The Line of Fire".
We did "Poltergeist-2", "The Nutty Professor", and "Psycho-2".
Don Nygren, more than any other individual, helped shape my career in the film industry. Some thought he was my father, but he was just a great lighting man who made it easy.
A true artist & a great man. God rest his soul.

[Rick Farris]

Sven Nyquist . . .

Wanna talk about a Swedish film legend, the late cinematographer Sven Nyquist is a legend. Ingmar Bergman's legend was created thru the lens of Nyquist.
He shot Liv Ullman in "Cries and Whispers". I worked with Sven in 1981, on the Nick Nolte-Debra Winger feature, "Cannery Row", at MGM.

[Randyman]

One of my lighting mentors, Don Nygren, used to say .."You can always tell a Swede, but not much." That was a Swede's take on Swedes.

He must have known my grandmother . . .

Don Nygren's parents both came from Sweden. He was a brilliant LD, and a good friend. He helped me in my carerr.
With Nygren I did Clint Eastwood movies, such as "Every Which Way But Loose", "Any which Way You Can", "Bronco Billy", "Fire Fox" and "In The Line of Fire".
We did "Poltergeist-2", "The Nutty Professor", and "Psycho-2".
Don Nygren, more than any other individual, helped shape my career in the film industry. Some thought he was my father, but he was just a great lighting man who made it easy.
A true artist & a great man. God rest his soul.

Sounds like quite a guy Rick, sounds like you lost a great fiend. Did he die recently?

[Rick Farris]

Rick, I was referrng to the catch-all weights that Manny insists on when moving up in weight. I consider that an advantage, of a sort.

I don't dislike Pacquiao, but I just think the timing has been perfect for him. His biggest wins have been over fighters that were nearing the end of their careers. Two of his biggest wins, Hatton and De La Hoya were beaten by Mayweather first, Cotto was destroyed by Margarito first, and Margarto was destroyed by Mosley, now after seeing Mosley fight to a draw with Sergio Mora, Pacquiao agrees to fight Mosley. Do you think he would seriously consider fighting a prime top fighter like Sergio Mora? It'll never happen. Not unless Martinez gets knocked out in his next fight.

Rick, even you yourself have said in earlier posts that if Pacquiao was fighting in a earlier era he would just be another good fighter. (I'm paraphrasing). His own record here on boxre supports what I say. However, I do respect your opinion.

Can you name any high profile boxer that didn't make there name off those at the end of their careers? I can name only one, Manny Pacquaio, and his record supports my claim.
Was Marquez, Barrera or Morales over-the-hill? No. Martinez is a full on middleweight! Was Margarito past prime? I think anybody fighting today would have a much tougher time in past eras. Sugar Ray Leonard would have never made it to a title shot. Pac has the durability and longevity to be a major player in any era. And did Mayweather really beat Oscar? Not by much. Pac destroyed Oscar De La Hoya, broke his spirit and took his heart. Mayweather doesn't ruin fighters. Pac and Duran ruin boxers. Pac's record does not support your claims. Why not match Pac with the K brothers, if you think he should fight Martinez, that's what you may as well suggest. And who's to say that Sergio Martinez would win. One thing is for sure, fighting beyond the weight nature intended, Pac is having an easier time than he did with the little guys, but it takes a toll guys like Mayweather won't risk. We are witnessing greatness, all-time greatness when we see Pac. He is the ONLY contemporary boxer capable of competeing successfully in any previous era. This is why unbeaten Mayweather is ducking mega figures to fight him. Oscar looked like a kid beaten up in the school yard after Pac finished him. The same would have taken place if Pac was fighting Oscar at his best, at any weight. The kid from ELA with the pretty smile would have never beeen more than a losing opponent if matched with Manny Pacquiao. We are being strangled by non competitive fights at the top, except for Manny Pac, who fights everybody. We have a class act for a hero in boxing today, a guy of the nature of a Dempsey, a Joe Louis. He will likely be the last great fighter we ever see. And Mosely is the only viable opponent, not JMM, which is Oscar's choice. The big money is still a match with Mayweather, why screwit up with a match with Martinez which would surely take a heavy toll on the much smaller Pac (Who would beat Martinez, I believe, if they fought today.) I'd avoid the Martinez fight, it will not pay off like Mayweather and only threaten any chance of that match. I must take issue with every claim you make relating to Pac, those relating to his choice of opposition. You may as well ask why Roberto Duran avoided Carlos Monzon? I hope you aren't suggesting that Floyd Mayweather "softened up" Pacs future opposition? Come on, the guy slaps!

Rick my friend, we will have to respectfully agree to disagree. ;;-)

And yes we do!

[Rick Farris]

He must have known my grandmother . . .

Don Nygren's parents both came from Sweden. He was a brilliant LD, and a good friend. He helped me in my carerr.
With Nygren I did Clint Eastwood movies, such as "Every Which Way But Loose", "Any which Way You Can", "Bronco Billy", "Fire Fox" and "In The Line of Fire".
We did "Poltergeist-2", "The Nutty Professor", and "Psycho-2".
Don Nygren, more than any other individual, helped shape my career in the film industry. Some thought he was my father, but he was just a great lighting man who made it easy.
A true artist & a great man. God rest his soul.

Sounds like quite a guy Rick, sounds like you lost a great fiend. Did he die recently?

Don passed of cancer in 2001, when I was living in Arizona.
I recall he lost his wife to cancer in 1994, shortly after the Northridge earthquake.
Don & Judy had been together since meeting in high school. She was the daughter of MGM lighting legend, Fenton Hamilton (one of my Grandad's buddies).
He started out in Law school, married Judy, her dad got him a job at MGM in the lighting department, taught him about light & shadow.
Fenton Hamilton had lit the original, "Ben Hur" for Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. And many Tracy-Hepburn classics, Judy Garland, Gable-Lombard, etc.
His son-in-law would follow in his footsteps. How kind of him to treat me so well, he taught me how to make the business work for me.
Guys like Don Nygren and Michael Landon treated me very well. I'm grateful.

[Rick Farris]

English food is boring and without taste, much like fashion in the U.K.
I will credit my Grandmum for creating a very good meat pie, but the rest was nothing to get excited over.
Any of you Brits know of "Marmont Soldiers"? One of my favorites as a kid.

[raylawpc]

English food is boring and without taste, much like fashion in the U.K.
I will credit my Grandmum for creating a very good meat pie, but the rest was nothing to get excited over.
Any of you Brits know of "Marmont Soldiers"? One of my favorites as a kid.

Sometimes "without taste" ain't so bad! Try surströmming - Swedish fermented herring. If the smell doesn't kill you, the taste will!

[bennie]

Bennie, after work last night I toasted you with a double shot of Absolut on the rocks.
Would you prefer your's with a splash of tonic, the English way? 8)

...shaken not stirred.

[Panzerfaust]

English food is boring and without taste, much like fashion in the U.K.
I will credit my Grandmum for creating a very good meat pie, but the rest was nothing to get excited over.
Any of you Brits know of "Marmont Soldiers"? One of my favorites as a kid.

You should try black pudding, one of my favourites when food is concerned

[Panzerfaust]

No, not specifically. Sounds like something he would say, though I'm sure he said it to be funny and didn't intend to insult Mancini specifically or Italians generally. He got that stuff from his dad. His dad thought ethnic jokes and jibes were hilarious, but, to his credit, Pat would laugh just is loudly if somebody ripped the Irish. The O'Gradys never took that stuff seriously, and didn't think other people should either.

Tom , I couldn't agree more, I am an Italian American, but I am never offended by ethnic jokes, and like Pat O"Grady I often make ethnic jokes and make fun of the Guido Italians, I think to many people especially in recent years take there heritage too seriously when people are only saying things in jest.

Being Swedish, I am rarely the brunt of any ethnic jokes. Although I suspect that Remy, being a Norwegian, knows a few . . . I'd actually like to know a few Swedish jokes.

You know why the swede jokes are so short? Its so the swedes can understand them too...

Most of the swede jokes goes about how dumb the swedes are,but their not really funny

[Panzerfaust]

Being Swedish, I am rarely the brunt of any ethnic jokes. Although I suspect that Remy, being a Norwegian, knows a few . . . I'd actually like to know a few Swedish jokes.

I guess you could be called, ''a Swedish meatball'' .

since it seemed to be scandinavian food day

[Panzerfaust]

I guess you could be called, ''a Swedish meatball'' .

One of my lighting mentors, Don Nygren, used to say .."You can always tell a Swede, but not much." That was a Swede's take on Swedes.

There was a swedish boxer who fought in the us in the 60's named Lars Norling, He later beame a carpenter in hollywood and buildt western sets

[bennie]

English food is boring and without taste, much like fashion in the U.K.
I will credit my Grandmum for creating a very good meat pie, but the rest was nothing to get excited over.
Any of you Brits know of "Marmont Soldiers"? One of my favorites as a kid.

You should try black pudding, one of my favourites when food is concerned

Aye, a good fry-up in the morning (egg, bacon, sausages, mushrooms and black pudding) and a roast meal for dinner and you will never hear us English, a renowned bunch of moaners, complain. Rick is a typical city boy - spoilt for choice.
Are you thinking of marmite soldiers, Rick?

[kikibalt]

There was a swedish boxer who fought in the us in the 60's named Lars Norling, He later beame a carpenter in hollywood and buildt western sets

I knew Lars from the Teamsters Gym. He used to train at the Teamsters in the mid-'60's. Saw all his LA fights



Name: Lars Olof Norling
Alias: Lasse Norling
Born: 1935-09-25
Birthplace:
Nationality: Swedish
Hometown: Stockholm, Sweden
Height: 6′ 3½″ / 192cm
Boxing Record: click


* Amateur record: 125 fights.
* Swedish Champion 1956 (beginners champion) 1957 (Junior) 1959-1960-1961
* Silver medal Swedish Championship 1958; lost to Lennart Risberg in finals.
* Scandinavian Champion 1959
* In the 1960 Rome Olympic Games, Norling lost to Tony Madigan of Australia on points.
* In the 1959 European Championships, he lost to silver medalist Gheorghe Negra of Rumania.
* After his pro career Norling found work as a carpenter in Universal Studios in Hollywood, building props for western TV series. (He also worked four years for the TV series "Murder She Wrote.") In a 1999 interview, Norling estimated that he had a total of 53 or 54 pro fights, winning 42. He had unlisted fights in towns like Bakersfield, calif., and Spokane, Wash.
* He married a Norwegian girl in the late 1960s and even spent a few years in Norway working as a carpenter.
* Best fighter he sparred with in his career: Eddie Cotton.
* Received $6,000 for his first fight, against Manuel Ramos.

1967-04-22 191 Boone Kirkman 9-0-0
Coliseum, Spokane, Washington, United States L RTD 2 10
referee: James Reilly

1967-01-20 195 Don Koontz 197 12-3-0
Bakersfield, California, United States L PTS 10 10

1966-05-05 Manuel Ramos 8-6-2
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L TKO 8 10
referee: Tommy Hart
Norling was knocked down in the 4th and 8th round.

1966-03-31 199¼ Billy Walker 190½ 14-5-2
Hilton Hotel (Anglo American SC), Mayfair, London, United Kingdom L TKO 4 10x3
referee: Harry Gibbs

1966-01-20 205 Tony Doyle 202½ 12-2-1
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L UD 10 10
referee: Joey Olmos 3-5 | judge: John Thomas 1-9 | judge: George Latka 0-12

1965-12-09 206 Manuel Ramos 196 6-5-2
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TD 6 10
time: 1:48 | referee: George Latka 3-2 | judge: John Thomas 3-2 | judge: Dick Young 3-2
Accidental head-butt. Norling led by a 3-2 margin on all cards up to that point, refree raised his hand as the winner under California rules. Had Ramos been leading it would have been declared a technical draw.

1965-05-28 198 Buddy Turman 189 41-14-2
Deutschlandhalle, Charlottenburg, Berlin, Germany L TKO 4 8
Boxing News June 4, 1965

1964-11-06 Wilhelm Von Homburg 16-3-3
Ernst Merck Halle, Hamburg, Germany L TKO 9 10

1964-09-25 194 Karl Hermann Troche 196¼ 7-0-0
Kristianstad, Sweden W TKO 3 8
referee: Elvir Göransson

1964-05-22 192 Franco De Piccoli 218 26-2-0
Palazzo Dello Sport, Torino, Piemonte, Italy L PTS 10 10

1964-04-12 193 Ray Patterson 192½ 6-1-0
Rosenlundshallen, Jonkoping, Sweden L PTS 6 6

1964-03-01 194 Kurt Stroer 185 8-7-3
Sporthallen, Sundsvall, Sweden D PTS 6 6

1964-01-06 192½ Ray Patterson 187½ 3-0-0
Johanneshov, Stockholm, Sweden W SD 6 6

1963-10-04 Carl Welschou 5-2-0
K.B. Hallen, Copenhagen, Denmark W TKO 6 6
Cut eye

1963-06-22 192¼ Jean Huiban 196¾ 1-3-0
Isstadion, Leksand, Sweden W PTS 6 6

1963-03-29 Finn Jensen 8-3-2
K.B. Hallen, Copenhagen, Denmark W PTS 6 6

1963-01-25 189¾ Kurt Stroer 183½ 6-3-1
Sporthallen, Linkoping, Sweden L TKO 6 6
time: 2:41

1962-12-28 190¾ Wenzel Bociek 179½ 12-12-4
Sporthallen, Orebro, Sweden W KO 5 6
time: 2:01

1962-11-09 181½ Klaus Langhammer 178¾ 15-7-8
Masshallen, Gothenburg, Sweden W PTS 6 6

1962-10-26 182 Bas van Duivenbode 174¼ 3-1-1
Sporthallen, Eskilstuna, Sweden D PTS 8 8

1962-08-17 Ilkka Koski 6-1-1
Olympic Stadion, Helsinki, Finland L PTS 8 8

1962-06-17 194½ Ron Gray 195 16-7-2
Nya Ullevi, Gothenburg, Sweden W PTS 6 6

1962-06-03 193 Ilkka Koski 199½ 6-1-0
Olympic Stadium, Stockholm, Sweden D PTS 6 6

1962-04-15 197¼ Robert Archie Moore 188 3-2-0
Kungliga Tennishallen, Stockholm, Sweden W PTS 8 8

1962-03-30 197½ Finn Jensen 183¾ 7-1-2
Kungliga Tennishallen, Stockholm, Sweden W PTS 6 6

1962-02-09 194 Giorgio Masteghin 224¾ 5-1-0
Maesshallen Sports Hall, Gothenburg, Sweden L PTS 8 8
referee: Åke Jacobsson

1961-12-09 195 Bonino Allevi 203¼ 9-9-2
Sporthallen, Eskilstuna, Sweden W DQ 2 8
referee: Alf Larsson

1961-10-08 191½ Klaus Hessmann 192½ 1-6-1
Idrottens Hus, Helsingborg, Sweden W PTS 8 8
referee: Elvir Göransson

1961-05-19 210 Julian Richardson 205
Armory, Centralia, Washington, United States W KO 2 4
time: 2:49

1961-04-11 Charley Turner 1-1-0
Civic Auditorium, Santa Cruz, California, United States D PTS 4 4

1961-03-27 184 Don Nau 175
Coliseum, Spokane, Washington, United States L UD 4 4

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English food is boring and without taste, much like fashion in the U.K.
I will credit my Grandmum for creating a very good meat pie, but the rest was nothing to get excited over.
Any of you Brits know of "Marmont Soldiers"? One of my favorites as a kid.

You should try black pudding, one of my favourites when food is concerned

Aye, a good fry-up in the morning (egg, bacon, sausages, mushrooms and black pudding) and a roast meal for dinner and you will never hear us English, a renowned bunch of moaners, complain. Rick is a typical city boy - spoilt for choice.
Are you thinking of marmite soldiers, Rick?

Bennie, between you and Panzer, you guys have me pining for my Mom's fry ups. My Mom was from Kerry and she would have the house filled with the most delectable aromas on a Saturday and Sunday morning. I totally loved black pudding until the day when I was about 12 that she laid it on me that it was pigs blood. I gagged momentarily and then thought to myself, "Ah what the hell, I've been eating it for years." And resumed chowing down. Good times.

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