Green Update

[jezzamundo]

My $0.10 on much of the above:

- Mundine clearly schooled Green at 168lb. However, Green was weight drained, he had only fought below the SMW limit once in the past 2 years and five months. This was clearly not the same Green who busted up Markus Beyer on their first outing and knocked out tough-as-nails Eric Lucas faster than a prime Jones Jnr did. However, Mundine should not be blamed for this - it was Green's mistake to continue fighting in a division too light for him.
- Calzaghe was indeed a class (perhaps a class and a half) above Green and probably would have beaten him at any weight. This said, Calzaghe was knocked down by lesser punchers than Green, so I think it is fair to say Green would have had a good punchers chance, at least at light heavyweight.
- That Calzaghe and Hopkins were unable to stop Jones while Green did it in one round means little. Green is a power puncher, Calzaghe and Hopkins aren't, especially not towards the end of their careers - when they fought Jones.
- A 175lb matchup between Green and Mundine in 2007 or 2008 would have been good - really good. I would favour Green by KO, but only just.

[thunderfromdownunder]

My $0.10 on much of the above:
- A 175lb matchup between Green and Mundine in 2007 or 2008 would have been good - really good. I would favour Green by KO, but only just.

there still may be a slight chance of a second fight. I think mundine will want to cash out after the woods fight. Regardless of the result. And even though mundine is shot and the fight wouldnt be any good he would get loads of cash. The gulible public would still buy it

[Brute]

Anthony would have to muscle up. His hip injury has slowed him down.

[Mark pawsey]

My $0.10 on much of the above:

- Mundine clearly schooled Green at 168lb. However, Green was weight drained, he had only fought below the SMW limit once in the past 2 years and five months. This was clearly not the same Green who busted up Markus Beyer on their first outing and knocked out tough-as-nails Eric Lucas faster than a prime Jones Jnr did. However, Mundine should not be blamed for this - it was Green's mistake to continue fighting in a division too light for him.
- Calzaghe was indeed a class (perhaps a class and a half) above Green and probably would have beaten him at any weight. This said, Calzaghe was knocked down by lesser punchers than Green, so I think it is fair to say Green would have had a good punchers chance, at least at light heavyweight.
- That Calzaghe and Hopkins were unable to stop Jones while Green did it in one round means little. Green is a power puncher, Calzaghe and Hopkins aren't, especially not towards the end of their careers - when they fought Jones.
- A 175lb matchup between Green and Mundine in 2007 or 2008 would have been good - really good. I would favour Green by KO, but only just.

I always said mundine would beat Green just because styles make fights, when I seen Beyer out move him the second time him and Green fought , Thats when I deffenitly knew mundine would beat him. They should of fought for the light heavy weight title, it would of been the smartest business move for both camps. I think the result would been the same but, don't give me the weight drained crap, tell me this is an extra 3 kg going to make Green fight differently. I don't think so ok he might have been weight drained against Sean Sullivan, but was he on a drip after the mundine fight? Did Green run out of steam against Mundine? I don't think so he was throwing right till the final bell he just couldn't land, would the extra 3 kg have made him land? I don't think so, i think its the game plan he had that made him lose against Mundine Who knows they might fight again but does anyone really care anymore?

[scottearley123456]

My $0.10 on much of the above:

- Mundine clearly schooled Green at 168lb. However, Green was weight drained, he had only fought below the SMW limit once in the past 2 years and five months. This was clearly not the same Green who busted up Markus Beyer on their first outing and knocked out tough-as-nails Eric Lucas faster than a prime Jones Jnr did. However, Mundine should not be blamed for this - it was Green's mistake to continue fighting in a division too light for him.
- Calzaghe was indeed a class (perhaps a class and a half) above Green and probably would have beaten him at any weight. This said, Calzaghe was knocked down by lesser punchers than Green, so I think it is fair to say Green would have had a good punchers chance, at least at light heavyweight.
- That Calzaghe and Hopkins were unable to stop Jones while Green did it in one round means little. Green is a power puncher, Calzaghe and Hopkins aren't, especially not towards the end of their careers - when they fought Jones.
- A 175lb matchup between Green and Mundine in 2007 or 2008 would have been good - really good. I would favour Green by KO, but only just.

I always said mundine would beat Green just because styles make fights, when I seen Beyer out move him the second time him and Green fought , Thats when I deffenitly knew mundine would beat him. They should of fought for the light heavy weight title, it would of been the smartest business move for both camps. I think the result would been the same but, don't give me the weight drained crap, tell me this is an extra 3 kg going to make Green fight differently. I don't think so ok he might have been weight drained against Sean Sullivan, but was he on a drip after the mundine fight? Did Green run out of steam against Mundine? I don't think so he was throwing right till the final bell he just couldn't land, would the extra 3 kg have made him land? I don't think so, i think its the game plan he had that made him lose against Mundine Who knows they might fight again but does anyone really care anymore?

i think it would still be a big fight if they fought at 50 years old! wouldnt be that entertaining but EVERYBODY would still want to know how it went. Your right about greens game plan being wrong but one of the reasons i think it went so poorly was due to cutting so much weight, green had 5, nearly quarter of his fights at light heavy, two just before mundine. if his plan was to wear mundine down by being super busy and accumulating enough damage to slow mundine down then yeah draining weight is going to make a fair bloody difference to how he can perform. mundine was better than green on the night but green has progressed a fair bit since then, a lot more patient and better punch accuracy for a start he also has some sort of defence now too and seems to be a lot better at countering rather than just charge and hit regardless of the consequences. green is also bigger than mundine and would probably carry the weight better at light heavy and cruiser .

[buster007]

jezza,

i agree, but i think green at light heavy would have been very competitive vs calzaghe.

mundine won/green lost because green lost the plot and he fought exactly how he shouldn't have. but yes thats not anthony's fault.

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mark,

as long as green boxed a bit smarter, i think he would have been just too much for mundine to handle at light heavy.

[oliverfennell]

I think Green is most comfortable at "Dannyweight", I believe his natural walking weight is generally about 190lb and he said before his mini-retirement that he still had to drain a lot to make 175lb. He could certainly still make that weight now, but I just don't think he wants to.

What really disappoints me is that had Green stayed at 175lb, not retired, defended his WBA belt and looked to unify - he could be a true great by now, as I believe he would have given Johnson, Tarver, Erdei and Woods a good fight and possibly beaten all of them.

Agreed. That's why the whole "IBO undisputed champion" thing bugged me, because he was dining out on a fifth-rate belt when he used to hold a top belt and could have done so muc better off that.

[Brute]

WBA belts are not worth that much now. How many times did Ruiz hold their heavyweight belt?

[bollox]

WBA belts are not worth that much now. How many times did Ruiz hold their heavyweight belt?

These days none of the belts are worth anything unless they're the unified belt

At last count Ruiz held it about 12,675 times. And he was still crap in the big scheme of things

[jezzamundo]

My $0.10 on much of the above:

- Mundine clearly schooled Green at 168lb. However, Green was weight drained, he had only fought below the SMW limit once in the past 2 years and five months. This was clearly not the same Green who busted up Markus Beyer on their first outing and knocked out tough-as-nails Eric Lucas faster than a prime Jones Jnr did. However, Mundine should not be blamed for this - it was Green's mistake to continue fighting in a division too light for him.
- Calzaghe was indeed a class (perhaps a class and a half) above Green and probably would have beaten him at any weight. This said, Calzaghe was knocked down by lesser punchers than Green, so I think it is fair to say Green would have had a good punchers chance, at least at light heavyweight.
- That Calzaghe and Hopkins were unable to stop Jones while Green did it in one round means little. Green is a power puncher, Calzaghe and Hopkins aren't, especially not towards the end of their careers - when they fought Jones.
- A 175lb matchup between Green and Mundine in 2007 or 2008 would have been good - really good. I would favour Green by KO, but only just.

I always said mundine would beat Green just because styles make fights, when I seen Beyer out move him the second time him and Green fought , Thats when I deffenitly knew mundine would beat him. They should of fought for the light heavy weight title, it would of been the smartest business move for both camps. I think the result would been the same but, don't give me the weight drained crap, tell me this is an extra 3 kg going to make Green fight differently. I don't think so ok he might have been weight drained against Sean Sullivan, but was he on a drip after the mundine fight? Did Green run out of steam against Mundine? I don't think so he was throwing right till the final bell he just couldn't land, would the extra 3 kg have made him land? I don't think so, i think its the game plan he had that made him lose against Mundine Who knows they might fight again but does anyone really care anymore?

The weight clearly did make a difference - just look how Green's performances improved when he went up 3kg in weight. Yes, he still had to drain to make light heavy, but he looked so much healthier, stronger and faster without having to drain that last 3kg. On the night he fought Mundine, I agree that Mundine would have won regardless - he just fought much better than Green. If we're matching them up at light heavyweight around the time that Green won the WBA title, it's a rather different proposition. I could see Mundine winning on points again, but ultimately I'd favour Green to get to his chin and stop him.

[buster007]

yep!!!!!!!

[Mark pawsey]

Everyone is missing the point Green was a super middle weight before he fought mundine, it's simple, what weight did he fight for two world titles at? Excuses are for loses, what's the go with all the mundine hate? I remember saying before the fight you watch if mundine wins there will some excuse, give credit where credit is due. If they fight again and Green wins it will be because Mundine has slipped, not because of the weight or because Green has got better

[buster007]

as opposed to mundine who lost to garth and said he didn't believe that garth beat him, lol.

the last part just made u look like a goose!!!!!!!!

[Mark pawsey]

as opposed to mundine who lost to garth and said he didn't believe that garth beat him, lol.

the last part just made u look like a goose!!!!!!!!

Ha ha you got all personal and called me a goose, this is what I ment to do get a rise out someone and its worked.

[Brute]

no he wasnt a bum. But he was no middleweight either. His only other fight at that weight he received one of the biggest gift decisions in recent times, If not ever. You said it yourself. If he started at super featheweight how was he ever going to be a top middleweight

Same way Pacquaio started out as a flyweight and became a welterweight champion.

[thunderfromdownunder]

no he wasnt a bum. But he was no middleweight either. His only other fight at that weight he received one of the biggest gift decisions in recent times, If not ever. You said it yourself. If he started at super featheweight how was he ever going to be a top middleweight

Same way Pacquaio started out as a flyweight and became a welterweight champion.

pacquiao is one in a million, literaly. And not only that he is/was better that de la hoya anyway

[thunderfromdownunder]

WBA belts are not worth that much now. How many times did Ruiz hold their heavyweight belt?

These days none of the belts are worth anything unless they're the unified belt

At last count Ruiz held it about 12,675 times. And he was still crap in the big scheme of things

he may not have been the most entertaining fighter ever born . But i feel his is a bit underrated. He consistently faced tough competition, and managed to win a few as well. I mean if it was that easy to win a portion of the heavyweight title everyone would

[Brute]

How many times did he win it against Holyfield? Roy Jones Junior was one of his conquerors while Roy was a Light Heavyweight.

[thunderfromdownunder]

Everyone is missing the point Green was a super middle weight before he fought mundine, it's simple, what weight did he fight for two world titles at? Excuses are for loses, what's the go with all the mundine hate? I remember saying before the fight you watch if mundine wins there will some excuse, give credit where credit is due. If they fight again and Green wins it will be because Mundine has slipped, not because of the weight or because Green has got better

no he only became weight drained AFTER the mundine fight it was funny how straight after the fight Danny said there would be no excuses. And then his book is filled with them

[thunderfromdownunder]

How many times did he win it against Holyfield? Roy Jones Junior was one of his conquerors while Roy was a Light Heavyweight.

they fought three times i think? Jones back then was something else. And its not uncommon for great LHW's to beat heavys. spinks beats holmes. Larry must have been a bum

[Mark pawsey]

Everyone is missing the point Green was a super middle weight before he fought mundine, it's simple, what weight did he fight for two world titles at? Excuses are for loses, what's the go with all the mundine hate? I remember saying before the fight you watch if mundine wins there will some excuse, give credit where credit is due. If they fight again and Green wins it will be because Mundine has slipped, not because of the weight or because Green has got better

no he only became weight drained AFTER the mundine fight it was funny how straight after the fight Danny said there would be no excuses. And then his book is filled with them

That's it mundine bashed him that's all there is to it credit where credit is due

[dberry]

Mark Pawsey, are you having an affair with Anthony Mundine?

[oliverfennell]

WBA belts are not worth that much now. How many times did Ruiz hold their heavyweight belt?

These days none of the belts are worth anything unless they're the unified belt

At last count Ruiz held it about 12,675 times. And he was still crap in the big scheme of things

he may not have been the most entertaining fighter ever born . But i feel his is a bit underrated. He consistently faced tough competition, and managed to win a few as well. I mean if it was that easy to win a portion of the heavyweight title everyone would

Agreed. The WBA means a lot less now, but because of its self-inflicted super/ordinary/interim world title situation. During Ruiz's reigns, it meant a lot more, and also when Green won his WBA belt it meant a lot more than his IBO one does now.

[Beltane]

Mundine's media apologist: Danny Weidler reported today this dubious matchup for Danny:

IT HAS been suggested Danny Green's next fight would be against Antonio Tarver and my information is that it will go ahead after Green signed a letter of intent. Given Tarver has been starring in movies with Sly Stallone and hardly boxing, it is not the fight to restore Green's damaged credibility.

For once, tend to agree with Weidler about the matchup!

[Mark pawsey]

Mark Pawsey, are you having an affair with Anthony Mundine?

Na I just love geeing people up about him beating Green,because it really gets people going, when it comes to mundine and Green the only reason I still watch them fight, is because I work at a pub and i see the fights while I'm at work, no way would stay up late to watch them if I had to get up at am the next day