Archie Moore's Record is incorrect
Archie Moore's Record is incorrect
Archie Moore's last fight on BoxRec is against Mike DiBiase. Mike DiBiase was a pro wrestler, and his "fight" against Archie Moore was a pre-determined contest. As such, it shouldn't be on his record.
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Harley Race, Jr
- Heavyweight
- Posts: 35
- Joined: 29 May 2005, 05:11
Archie Moore Confusion:
Archie Moore never won the world Heavyweight title as everybody knows, I understand that, and of course was Michael Spinks the First ever 175 Light Heavy king to win a portion of the Heavy weight title against Larry Holmes.
NO PROBLEM, okay, I got it.
But if in that epoch (non minor sanctioned bodies such the current fridge WBO, IBA, etc, etc) the only ‘world’ boxing bodies were the old NBA, the old NYSAC, the old California-Mexico, the old IBU… and what’s about the old Nevada boxing commission?
[u]Nevada World Heavyweight Title
1955-05-02
196½ Nino Valdes 209½ 32-8-2
Cashman Field, Las Vegas, NV, USA W PTS 15 15[/u]
Was the Nevada ‘World’ Heavy weight title a ‘World’ belt for the 50’s and 60’s?
So, if it’s correct, why he was not the first ever 175 world champion to gain the Hvy world title?
Is there an error in your Archie Moore’s pro records, or just the Nevada title was a fridge poor title? Which reasons are/were? Were in the NYSAC more beautiful women and more people with nice houses and cars than in the Nevada Commission?
But, how the Nevada title compared in importance (and other factors) with the old NYSAC and the others I mentioned? Does somebody know the history of those old boxing bodies?
Just curiosity. Peace.
Thanks for read!
Archie Moore never won the world Heavyweight title as everybody knows, I understand that, and of course was Michael Spinks the First ever 175 Light Heavy king to win a portion of the Heavy weight title against Larry Holmes.
NO PROBLEM, okay, I got it.
But if in that epoch (non minor sanctioned bodies such the current fridge WBO, IBA, etc, etc) the only ‘world’ boxing bodies were the old NBA, the old NYSAC, the old California-Mexico, the old IBU… and what’s about the old Nevada boxing commission?
[u]Nevada World Heavyweight Title
1955-05-02
196½ Nino Valdes 209½ 32-8-2
Cashman Field, Las Vegas, NV, USA W PTS 15 15[/u]
Was the Nevada ‘World’ Heavy weight title a ‘World’ belt for the 50’s and 60’s?
So, if it’s correct, why he was not the first ever 175 world champion to gain the Hvy world title?
Is there an error in your Archie Moore’s pro records, or just the Nevada title was a fridge poor title? Which reasons are/were? Were in the NYSAC more beautiful women and more people with nice houses and cars than in the Nevada Commission?
But, how the Nevada title compared in importance (and other factors) with the old NYSAC and the others I mentioned? Does somebody know the history of those old boxing bodies?
Just curiosity. Peace.
Thanks for read!
re
Bob Fitzsimmons was actually the first 175 & Hvy champ as he first won the heavyweight title and then after losing to Jeffries, Fitz won the Light Heavyweight Championship. I am pretty sure that Moore's bout with Mike DiBiase was in deed and actual boxing match!
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Harley Race, Jr
- Heavyweight
- Posts: 35
- Joined: 29 May 2005, 05:11
Hello my friend and BoxRecord wizards: 
Yes, Barry, but I mean ‘moving up’ on weight divisions from 175 to Hvy, not from 160 to Hvy.
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Example: Spinks was the reigning 175 World champion (he did'nt have other different weight titles at the time)and moved up and defeated the then current World heavy weigh holder on Larry Holmes.
Instead, Fitzsimmons moved from 160 (the first ever 160 World to win the World Heavy) to win later the World Heavy title, and finally he net the 175 World moving down in weight, no up in weight.
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Here are the facts:
1(1) BOB FITZSIMMONS(UK/ NZ)
1st Title 160 World Middle Weight Title 1891-01-14 150½ Jack Dempsey
2nd Title 201+ World Heavyweight Title 1897-03-17 James J. Corbett Carson
3rd Title 175 World Light Heavyweight Title 1903-11-25 George Gardner
(First ever man to hold three titles at 3 different weights, not at the same time)
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THE 175 ‘WORLD’ HOLDERS THAT FAILED TO WIN THE HEAVY WEIGHT CROWN WERE:
1
Tommy Loughran (USA)
175 NYSAC Light Heavyweight Title 1927-10-07 Mike McTigue
Failed Vs. World Heavyweight Title 1934-03-01 186 Primo Carnera
2
Billy Conn (USA)
175 Vacant NBA World Light Heavyweight Title 1939-07-13 Melio Bettina
175 NYSAC Light Heavyweight Title 939-07-13 Melio Bettina
Failed Vs. World Heavyweight Title 1941-06-18 174 Joe Louis
Failed Vs. World Heavyweight Title 1946-06-19 182 Joe Louis
3
Archie Moore (USA)
175 World Light Heavyweight Title 1952-12-17 Joey Maxim
??(Nevada World Heavyweight Title 1955-05-02 Nino Valdes Las Vegas, NV, USA W PTS 15 15 (Vacates it)) **????????
Failed Vs. Vacant World Heavyweight Title 1956-11-30 187¾ Floyd Patterson
4
Bob Foster (USA)
175 WBC Light Heavyweight Title 1968-05-24 Dick Tiger
175 WBA Light Heavyweight Title 1968-05-24 Dick Tiger
Failed Vs. WBC,WBA Heavyweight Title 1970-11-18 188 Joe Frazier Detroit, MI, USA L KO 2 15
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THE REIGNING OR FORMER 175 WORLD CHAMPIONS THAT SUCCESSES TO WIN THE HEAVY WEIGHT BELT WERE:
1
Michael Spinks (USA)
175 WBA Light Heavyweight Title 1981-07-18 Eddie Mustafa Muhammad
175 WBC Light Heavyweight Title 1983-03-18 173 Dwight Qawi
175 IBF Light Heavyweight Title 1984-02-25 Eddie Davis
IBF Heavyweight Title 1985-09-21 199¾ Larry Holmes *
(The first light-heavyweight (175) to win a world title at Heavyweight) ***
2
Michael Moore (USA)
175 Vacant WBO Light Heavyweight Title 1988-12-03 Ramzi Hassan
Vacant WBO Heavyweight Title 1992-05-15 217 Bert Cooper
WBA Heavyweight Title 1994-04-22 214 Evander Holyfield
IBF Heavyweight Title 1994-04-22 214 Evander Holyfield
Vacant IBF Heavyweight Title 1996-06-22
3
Roy Jones, Jr. (USA)
175 WBC Light Heavyweight Title 1996-11-22 Mike McCallum
200+ WBA Heavyweight Title 2003-03-01 193 John Ruiz
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Barry, do you understand my point now?
Harley
Yes, Barry, but I mean ‘moving up’ on weight divisions from 175 to Hvy, not from 160 to Hvy.
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Example: Spinks was the reigning 175 World champion (he did'nt have other different weight titles at the time)and moved up and defeated the then current World heavy weigh holder on Larry Holmes.
Instead, Fitzsimmons moved from 160 (the first ever 160 World to win the World Heavy) to win later the World Heavy title, and finally he net the 175 World moving down in weight, no up in weight.
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Here are the facts:
1(1) BOB FITZSIMMONS(UK/ NZ)
1st Title 160 World Middle Weight Title 1891-01-14 150½ Jack Dempsey
2nd Title 201+ World Heavyweight Title 1897-03-17 James J. Corbett Carson
3rd Title 175 World Light Heavyweight Title 1903-11-25 George Gardner
(First ever man to hold three titles at 3 different weights, not at the same time)
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THE 175 ‘WORLD’ HOLDERS THAT FAILED TO WIN THE HEAVY WEIGHT CROWN WERE:
1
Tommy Loughran (USA)
175 NYSAC Light Heavyweight Title 1927-10-07 Mike McTigue
Failed Vs. World Heavyweight Title 1934-03-01 186 Primo Carnera
2
Billy Conn (USA)
175 Vacant NBA World Light Heavyweight Title 1939-07-13 Melio Bettina
175 NYSAC Light Heavyweight Title 939-07-13 Melio Bettina
Failed Vs. World Heavyweight Title 1941-06-18 174 Joe Louis
Failed Vs. World Heavyweight Title 1946-06-19 182 Joe Louis
3
Archie Moore (USA)
175 World Light Heavyweight Title 1952-12-17 Joey Maxim
??(Nevada World Heavyweight Title 1955-05-02 Nino Valdes Las Vegas, NV, USA W PTS 15 15 (Vacates it)) **????????
Failed Vs. Vacant World Heavyweight Title 1956-11-30 187¾ Floyd Patterson
4
Bob Foster (USA)
175 WBC Light Heavyweight Title 1968-05-24 Dick Tiger
175 WBA Light Heavyweight Title 1968-05-24 Dick Tiger
Failed Vs. WBC,WBA Heavyweight Title 1970-11-18 188 Joe Frazier Detroit, MI, USA L KO 2 15
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THE REIGNING OR FORMER 175 WORLD CHAMPIONS THAT SUCCESSES TO WIN THE HEAVY WEIGHT BELT WERE:
1
Michael Spinks (USA)
175 WBA Light Heavyweight Title 1981-07-18 Eddie Mustafa Muhammad
175 WBC Light Heavyweight Title 1983-03-18 173 Dwight Qawi
175 IBF Light Heavyweight Title 1984-02-25 Eddie Davis
IBF Heavyweight Title 1985-09-21 199¾ Larry Holmes *
(The first light-heavyweight (175) to win a world title at Heavyweight) ***
2
Michael Moore (USA)
175 Vacant WBO Light Heavyweight Title 1988-12-03 Ramzi Hassan
Vacant WBO Heavyweight Title 1992-05-15 217 Bert Cooper
WBA Heavyweight Title 1994-04-22 214 Evander Holyfield
IBF Heavyweight Title 1994-04-22 214 Evander Holyfield
Vacant IBF Heavyweight Title 1996-06-22
3
Roy Jones, Jr. (USA)
175 WBC Light Heavyweight Title 1996-11-22 Mike McCallum
200+ WBA Heavyweight Title 2003-03-01 193 John Ruiz
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Barry, do you understand my point now?
Harley