Anyone Else Sick Of All The Mismatches?

[keithmoonhangover]

I've had enough of watching fights that are so one sided, it's ridiculous. I know it's been going on for a long time, but that doesn't make it right. I feel embarrased when a non-boxing fans asked me other guys record or "why is he allowed to fight him". I hate seeing some out of shape and unskilled fighter standing opposite some sculpted former amateur star. The whole concept of the opponent being there just to see if he can go the distance is wrong. I'm not having a go at the journymen, like Howard and Lee etc. I just think it's wrong to have such mismatches.

The BBBofC are the ones to blame. They sanction some terrible imports against our prospects. What ever happened to the rule they imposed in the late 80's/early 90's about the standard of imports having to be high. The board are a disgrace.

Why don't the board call for fights between lower level fighters. Not just title fights.

[Jeff Thomas]

I've had enough of watching fights that are so one sided, it's ridiculous. I know it's been going on for a long time, but that doesn't make it right. I feel embarrased when a non-boxing fans asked me other guys record or "why is he allowed to fight him". I hate seeing some out of shape and unskilled fighter standing opposite some sculpted former amateur star. The whole concept of the opponent being there just to see if he can go the distance is wrong. I'm not having a go at the journymen, like Howard and Lee etc. I just think it's wrong to have such mismatches.

The BBBofC are the ones to blame. They sanction some terrible imports against our prospects. What ever happened to the rule they imposed in the late 80's/early 90's about the standard of imports having to be high. The board are a disgrace.

Why don't the board call for fights between lower level fighters. Not just title fights.

Because no one would pay for them bud! I think ther should be a fa cup every year for guys outside the top ten; to keep fighters busy; also the board should produce official ratings I suggested this to the sky bosses but no one listens

[YOGI BEAR]

I've had enough of watching fights that are so one sided, it's ridiculous. I know it's been going on for a long time, but that doesn't make it right. I feel embarrased when a non-boxing fans asked me other guys record or "why is he allowed to fight him". I hate seeing some out of shape and unskilled fighter standing opposite some sculpted former amateur star. The whole concept of the opponent being there just to see if he can go the distance is wrong. I'm not having a go at the journymen, like Howard and Lee etc. I just think it's wrong to have such mismatches.

The BBBofC are the ones to blame. They sanction some terrible imports against our prospects. What ever happened to the rule they imposed in the late 80's/early 90's about the standard of imports having to be high. The board are a disgrace.

Why don't the board call for fights between lower level fighters. Not just title fights.

Because no one would pay for them bud! I think ther should be a fa cup every year for guys outside the top ten; to keep fighters busy; also the board should produce official ratings I suggested this to the sky bosses but no one listens

stephen haugian next jeff. Think 50/50 fite All The Best.

[keithmoonhangover]

I've had enough of watching fights that are so one sided, it's ridiculous. I know it's been going on for a long time, but that doesn't make it right. I feel embarrased when a non-boxing fans asked me other guys record or "why is he allowed to fight him". I hate seeing some out of shape and unskilled fighter standing opposite some sculpted former amateur star. The whole concept of the opponent being there just to see if he can go the distance is wrong. I'm not having a go at the journymen, like Howard and Lee etc. I just think it's wrong to have such mismatches.

The BBBofC are the ones to blame. They sanction some terrible imports against our prospects. What ever happened to the rule they imposed in the late 80's/early 90's about the standard of imports having to be high. The board are a disgrace.

Why don't the board call for fights between lower level fighters. Not just title fights.

Because no one would pay for them bud! I think ther should be a fa cup every year for guys outside the top ten; to keep fighters busy; also the board should produce official ratings I suggested this to the sky bosses but no one listens

100% agree with you Jeff.

Non boxing fans hate mismatches, so do boxing fans. The thing is, genuine boxing fans would pay to watch even matches instead of watching Richard Towers fight someone who's 7-16-0.
It aint right mate. Do you remember the rule that the BBBofC brought out years back?

[Jeff Thomas]

I've had enough of watching fights that are so one sided, it's ridiculous. I know it's been going on for a long time, but that doesn't make it right. I feel embarrased when a non-boxing fans asked me other guys record or "why is he allowed to fight him". I hate seeing some out of shape and unskilled fighter standing opposite some sculpted former amateur star. The whole concept of the opponent being there just to see if he can go the distance is wrong. I'm not having a go at the journymen, like Howard and Lee etc. I just think it's wrong to have such mismatches.

The BBBofC are the ones to blame. They sanction some terrible imports against our prospects. What ever happened to the rule they imposed in the late 80's/early 90's about the standard of imports having to be high. The board are a disgrace.

Why don't the board call for fights between lower level fighters. Not just title fights.

Because no one would pay for them bud! I think ther should be a fa cup every year for guys outside the top ten; to keep fighters busy; also the board should produce official ratings I suggested this to the sky bosses but no one listens

stephen haugian next jeff. Think 50/50 fite All The Best.

Thank you- he's a good fighter illl be ready

[Jeff Thomas]

I've had enough of watching fights that are so one sided, it's ridiculous. I know it's been going on for a long time, but that doesn't make it right. I feel embarrased when a non-boxing fans asked me other guys record or "why is he allowed to fight him". I hate seeing some out of shape and unskilled fighter standing opposite some sculpted former amateur star. The whole concept of the opponent being there just to see if he can go the distance is wrong. I'm not having a go at the journymen, like Howard and Lee etc. I just think it's wrong to have such mismatches.

The BBBofC are the ones to blame. They sanction some terrible imports against our prospects. What ever happened to the rule they imposed in the late 80's/early 90's about the standard of imports having to be high. The board are a disgrace.

Why don't the board call for fights between lower level fighters. Not just title fights.

Because no one would pay for them bud! I think ther should be a fa cup every year for guys outside the top ten; to keep fighters busy; also the board should produce official ratings I suggested this to the sky bosses but no one listens

100% agree with you Jeff.

Non boxing fans hate mismatches, so do boxing fans. The thing is, genuine boxing fans would pay to watch even matches instead of watching Richard Towers fight someone who's 7-16-0.
It aint right mate. Do you remember the rule that the BBBofC brought out years back?

Which rule mate?

[keithmoonhangover]

Because no one would pay for them bud! I think ther should be a fa cup every year for guys outside the top ten; to keep fighters busy; also the board should produce official ratings I suggested this to the sky bosses but no one listens

100% agree with you Jeff.

Non boxing fans hate mismatches, so do boxing fans. The thing is, genuine boxing fans would pay to watch even matches instead of watching Richard Towers fight someone who's 7-16-0.
It aint right mate. Do you remember the rule that the BBBofC brought out years back?

Which rule mate?

The BBBofC brought in a rule in the early 90's, which only allowed a high level of foreign opponent. Anyone else remember it?

[JimJim2009]

I remember this.... Harry Mullan, the then-editor of Boxing News, had campaigned long and hard, year in, year out, to get something done about the appalling imports. I remember him publishing an annual report, in BN, of the imports, including how many lost in a round, in two rounds, in three, etc. The stats were pretty damning. He ended one report with the words "Its as depressing to compile this list as it is to read, but we'll keep doing it for the sake of the sport, until those responsible are shamed into activity".

Mullan really did care about standards

[dazzer]

I was thinking about this the other day, I will be going to left jab show on the 15th may @ york hall. Got to get behind the small hall shows, getting sick of the big fights last one i went to was in liverpool degale v smith. I knew the result of all the fights before i went in.

[SAPFO]

Just look at the nationalities of Kevin Mitchels opponents that helped him get to 31-0 before getting smashed to pieces by the first world class fighter he comes across.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer


The UFC do it the right way, not MMA in general as there are many miss matches out of the spotlight when a small promo has a big name they want to milk. You can go from obscurity to a title shot in 5/6 fights. Learn in the gym, and put it into practice in the rind, not use a pro fight as some sort of competitive sparring, which 9/10 times it isn't competitive anyway.



Hard matching will benefit the fighters and the game. Your only as good as the opponents your facing.

[keithmoonhangover]

I remember this.... Harry Mullan, the then-editor of Boxing News, had campaigned long and hard, year in, year out, to get something done about the appalling imports. I remember him publishing an annual report, in BN, of the imports, including how many lost in a round, in two rounds, in three, etc. The stats were pretty damning. He ended one report with the words "Its as depressing to compile this list as it is to read, but we'll keep doing it for the sake of the sport, until those responsible are shamed into activity".

Mullan really did care about standards

I liked Mullan doing the BN. What ever happened to that ruling?

[JimJim2009]

I remember this.... Harry Mullan, the then-editor of Boxing News, had campaigned long and hard, year in, year out, to get something done about the appalling imports. I remember him publishing an annual report, in BN, of the imports, including how many lost in a round, in two rounds, in three, etc. The stats were pretty damning. He ended one report with the words "Its as depressing to compile this list as it is to read, but we'll keep doing it for the sake of the sport, until those responsible are shamed into activity".

Mullan really did care about standards

I liked Mullan doing the BN. What ever happened to that ruling?

The cynic in me thinks that once a certain promoter saved the board from bankrupcy, following the successful damages claim by Michael Watson, and therefore kept the board afloat, thereby keeping them in their paid jobs, the rule was put into perspective, and not really enforced. The board were not insured, and the settlement to Watson was substantial.

Another way of looking at it would be, if Boxrec was going to the wall and in financial peril, and I bailed the site out, and kept it going, I would not expect Boxrec to make my life harder...

[palooka]

You're an old cynic; the World doesn't work like that

[JimJim2009]

You're an old cynic; the World doesn't work like that

I think the terminology is something like, "we have a close working relationship"

It was as good an investment as that chap had made in his whole life, money in the bank, so to speak. Have they so much as slapped him on the wrist since then ?

Funny how things are acceptable in one sport but not another. If the FA were on the verge of going bust, I can't see Man City's middle-eastern backers being allowed to clear their debts, so normal service can be resumed.....

[palooka]

I do think that you're right. Money can't sing and dance and it can't walk; but it talks in a very authoritative way.

(I'm not all that sure about Froch being shown on SKY now he's not with Henessey; Don't get me wrong I'm very happy that Carl is on SKY, but it does stink a bit).

[JimJim2009]

Agree 100% about Froch, glad he's on Sky, gutted for Mick.

When ITV announced they were pulling out of boxing, they really were in the financial doldrums, ITV Leeds were having open days, flogging old equipment off - I went down there and got a car-load full of bargains, paid for in cash. What a terrible knock on effect their pull out has had on the sport, we were truely spoiled with those regular ITV4 shows that went on all night...

[princess]

100% agree with you Jeff.

Non boxing fans hate mismatches, so do boxing fans. The thing is, genuine boxing fans would pay to watch even matches instead of watching Richard Towers fight someone who's 7-16-0.
It aint right mate. Do you remember the rule that the BBBofC brought out years back?

Which rule mate?

The BBBofC brought in a rule in the early 90's, which only allowed a high level of foreign opponent. Anyone else remember it?

I remember this Seems the board cant do what they want when they want Does everyone know we are the only pro sport that doesnt have a union This is about to change we are just in the process of setting up one for all licence holders We got British fighters in need of fights and they still letting these bad imports in
When our own lads could be earning a living and a bit off topic I went to the Prizefighter weigh in today with i film london Which was great and I asked Richie Davis to do a interview He told me he wasnt allowed as the board said we have to get permission ????????? So its ok to interview a fighter and a promoter Matchmaker house second But not a ref Go figure Would like to see where in the rule book that one comes in Typical Board Bollox

[wrimc]

I remember this Seems the board cant do what they want when they want Does everyone know we are the only pro sport that doesnt have a union This is about to change we are just in the process of setting up one for all licence holders We got British fighters in need of fights and they still letting these bad imports in
When our own lads could be earning a living and a bit off topic I went to the Prizefighter weigh in today with i film london Which was great and I asked Richie Davis to do a interview He told me he wasnt allowed as the board said we have to get permission ????????? So its ok to interview a fighter and a promoter Matchmaker house second But not a ref Go figure Would like to see where in the rule book that one comes in Typical Board Bollox

I completely agree with what you are saying the problem with the union is that fighters are split between different camps. different promoters don't want their fighters all under a powerful union which in theory could have an agenda against them influenced by a powerful 3rd party.

It does frustrate me that we have so many foreign fighters brought in when British fighters are complaining about getting fights but part of me wonders why that is the case. Surely they must be able to get them in for cheaper are British fighters asking for too much money? Nobody wants them to have the piss taken out of them but are they just positioning themselves above what the market dictates.

As regards to ref's my brother is a professional football ref And i know they are not allowed to speak to the media about anything in case it brings their position into disrepute. If they start speaking to the media then its a slippery slope in people trying ot make them explain decisions and actions when they should be accountable to the board/FA

[princess]

I remember this Seems the board cant do what they want when they want Does everyone know we are the only pro sport that doesnt have a union This is about to change we are just in the process of setting up one for all licence holders We got British fighters in need of fights and they still letting these bad imports in
When our own lads could be earning a living and a bit off topic I went to the Prizefighter weigh in today with i film london Which was great and I asked Richie Davis to do a interview He told me he wasnt allowed as the board said we have to get permission ????????? So its ok to interview a fighter and a promoter Matchmaker house second But not a ref Go figure Would like to see where in the rule book that one comes in Typical Board Bollox

I completely agree with what you are saying the problem with the union is that fighters are split between different camps. different promoters don't want their fighters all under a powerful union which in theory could have an agenda against them influenced by a powerful 3rd party.

It does frustrate me that we have so many foreign fighters brought in when British fighters are complaining about getting fights but part of me wonders why that is the case. Surely they must be able to get them in for cheaper are British fighters asking for too much money? Nobody wants them to have the piss taken out of them but are they just positioning themselves above what the market dictates.

As regards to ref's my brother is a professional football ref And i know they are not allowed to speak to the media about anything in case it brings their position into disrepute. If they start speaking to the media then its a slippery slope in people trying ot make them explain decisions and actions when they should be accountable to the board/FA

Believe me theres not much difference in the price of a overseas fighter by the time you pay the airfares and hotels. As for split there shouldnt be a split the promoters are in the union too Its a union so all licence holders get treated fairly by the board whether your a promoter manager fighter matchmaker ref We all pay licence fees and pay the people at the board wages Remember without licence holders paying they wouldnt get paid I,m sure when David Haye ights in Germany there will be representives of the board present as they should be But who has paid the airfare hotel etc the licence holders
As reguards to the ref fair point but i just wanted to ask Richie about his many years in the sport we all love no polictics just a fun chat so the fans can see what he is up to x

[standing8]

I've had enough of watching fights that are so one sided, it's ridiculous. I know it's been going on for a long time, but that doesn't make it right. I feel embarrased when a non-boxing fans asked me other guys record or "why is he allowed to fight him". I hate seeing some out of shape and unskilled fighter standing opposite some sculpted former amateur star. The whole concept of the opponent being there just to see if he can go the distance is wrong. I'm not having a go at the journymen, like Howard and Lee etc. I just think it's wrong to have such mismatches.

The BBBofC are the ones to blame. They sanction some terrible imports against our prospects. What ever happened to the rule they imposed in the late 80's/early 90's about the standard of imports having to be high. The board are a disgrace.

Why don't the board call for fights between lower level fighters. Not just title fights.

I keep banging on about home fighters against journey men,what a way to con the general public,these sort of promotions bore the bum off me!

Why dont we give a seeding rating to our pro boxers, so no 8 cant fight no 88.

[wrimc]

Believe me theres not much difference in the price of a overseas fighter by the time you pay the airfares and hotels. As for split there shouldnt be a split the promoters are in the union too Its a union so all licence holders get treated fairly by the board whether your a promoter manager fighter matchmaker ref We all pay licence fees and pay the people at the board wages Remember without licence holders paying they wouldnt get paid I,m sure when David Haye ights in Germany there will be representives of the board present as they should be But who has paid the airfare hotel etc the licence holders
As reguards to the ref fair point but i just wanted to ask Richie about his many years in the sport we all love no polictics just a fun chat so the fans can see what he is up to x

But if there is little or no difference which is what I would expect. Why would a promoter even bother to look abroad because logistically it must be much more messy to sort out flights and transport etc and coordinating this when there are often local fighters who would fit their criteria just as well. This seems to indicate to me that there must be some sort of obstacle ie fighters not wanting to fight for x amount of money or fight fighter x.

I completely agree about the union more power to the fighters as a collective is important.

[princess]

Believe me theres not much difference in the price of a overseas fighter by the time you pay the airfares and hotels. As for split there shouldnt be a split the promoters are in the union too Its a union so all licence holders get treated fairly by the board whether your a promoter manager fighter matchmaker ref We all pay licence fees and pay the people at the board wages Remember without licence holders paying they wouldnt get paid I,m sure when David Haye ights in Germany there will be representives of the board present as they should be But who has paid the airfare hotel etc the licence holders
As reguards to the ref fair point but i just wanted to ask Richie about his many years in the sport we all love no polictics just a fun chat so the fans can see what he is up to x

But if there is little or no difference which is what I would expect. Why would a promoter even bother to look abroad because logistically it must be much more messy to sort out flights and transport etc and coordinating this when there are often local fighters who would fit their criteria just as well. This seems to indicate to me that there must be some sort of obstacle ie fighters not wanting to fight for x amount of money or fight fighter x.

I completely agree about the union more power to the fighters as a collective is important.

Because most promoters want a definate win for there up and coming lads so import where our lads get to sit and watch instead of being in there trying to win and earn money Think its about time we all start telling the truth Because i,m getting seriously pissed off with the excuses Look at the small promoters they have to put there lads in real fights as they cant afford to bring in imports This is why Matchroom are standing out at the moment they arent using the imports unless they have no other option Johnny wish ring every british matchmaker before going abroad

[keithmoonhangover]

Believe me theres not much difference in the price of a overseas fighter by the time you pay the airfares and hotels. As for split there shouldnt be a split the promoters are in the union too Its a union so all licence holders get treated fairly by the board whether your a promoter manager fighter matchmaker ref We all pay licence fees and pay the people at the board wages Remember without licence holders paying they wouldnt get paid I,m sure when David Haye ights in Germany there will be representives of the board present as they should be But who has paid the airfare hotel etc the licence holders
As reguards to the ref fair point but i just wanted to ask Richie about his many years in the sport we all love no polictics just a fun chat so the fans can see what he is up to x

But if there is little or no difference which is what I would expect. Why would a promoter even bother to look abroad because logistically it must be much more messy to sort out flights and transport etc and coordinating this when there are often local fighters who would fit their criteria just as well. This seems to indicate to me that there must be some sort of obstacle ie fighters not wanting to fight for x amount of money or fight fighter x.

I completely agree about the union more power to the fighters as a collective is important.

Because most promoters want a definate win for there up and coming lads so import where our lads get to sit and watch instead of being in there trying to win and earn money Think its about time we all start telling the truth Because i,m getting seriously pissed off with the excuses Look at the small promoters they have to put there lads in real fights as they cant afford to bring in imports This is why Matchroom are standing out at the moment they arent using the imports unless they have no other option Johnny wish ring every british matchmaker before going abroad

I understand that, but that is what is wrong with our sport. They don't let Man Utd play thier first ten games of the season against Hartlepool and Rushden and Diamonds. I know it's comparing onions with apples, but I'm just trying to make a point.

The board should refuse to allow imports who don't have a winning record. I know that wouldn't be a perfect system, but at least it's a try.

[princess]

But if there is little or no difference which is what I would expect. Why would a promoter even bother to look abroad because logistically it must be much more messy to sort out flights and transport etc and coordinating this when there are often local fighters who would fit their criteria just as well. This seems to indicate to me that there must be some sort of obstacle ie fighters not wanting to fight for x amount of money or fight fighter x.

I completely agree about the union more power to the fighters as a collective is important.

Because most promoters want a definate win for there up and coming lads so import where our lads get to sit and watch instead of being in there trying to win and earn money Think its about time we all start telling the truth Because i,m getting seriously pissed off with the excuses Look at the small promoters they have to put there lads in real fights as they cant afford to bring in imports This is why Matchroom are standing out at the moment they arent using the imports unless they have no other option Johnny wish ring every british matchmaker before going abroad

I understand that, but that is what is wrong with our sport. They don't let Man Utd play thier first ten games of the season against Hartlepool and Rushden and Diamonds. I know it's comparing onions with apples, but I'm just trying to make a point.

The board should refuse to allow imports who don't have a winning record. I know that wouldn't be a perfect system, but at least it's a try.

100% agree Who knows what goes on at the board and how they let so many bad ones in Maybe if we get the union strong enough we can challenge issues like this There are so many British pro,s that cant get fights Do we really need these imports the good one Fine But some of the shite lately Really makes you wonder

[whicker]

It's bollocks, but can't see it changing.

We, as fans, should insist on at least 2 or 3 decent match ups on any show.

The thing is, most people who come to boxing don't seem to care about evenly matched fights. They want to cheer on "their man" and then f... off to the bar. I'd love to see professional boxing shows as a set of well matched contests (indeed, a lot of amateur shows are exactly that) but I can't see it happening.

The worst of the worst are the journeymen who don't really try and win.

No, I take it back.

The worst of the worst are the depressingly bad foreign pushovers.