Why Did Foreman Duck Holmes?

[Diamond WEAPON]

Nah... Holmes came from real poverty. He wasn't a middle class kid born into the sport. If he was mean and nasty that's because he was from that side of the tracks.

He also had the ba11s to back it up when he needed to.

Yeah, I went a little overboard with the last post. I disagree with his nastiness coming from being from the 'hood though, plenty of far nicer and more humble folks come from worse origins (Frazier, Hearns). His mean streak I think was mostly inspired by not getting enough credit during his prime years for how good he was, but he carried that chip on his shoulder with him into his later years and up to today as well, it's irritating that he feels like he has to denigrate every other fighter who ever existed to increase his own standing.

[Jaywheel]

Holmes is an overrated douchebag. He makes Floyd Mayweather look like fuckin Ghandi and Foreman would've fucked him up badly. Tyson gave that bitch the KO that he always deserved.

I would make that my signature if I could.

[Syntax Error]

Nah... Holmes came from real poverty. He wasn't a middle class kid born into the sport. If he was mean and nasty that's because he was from that side of the tracks.

He also had the ba11s to back it up when he needed to.

Yeah, I went a little overboard with the last post. I disagree with his nastiness coming from being from the 'hood though, plenty of far nicer and more humble folks come from worse origins (Frazier, Hearns). His mean streak I think was mostly inspired by not getting enough credit during his prime years for how good he was, but he carried that chip on his shoulder with him into his later years and up to today as well, it's irritating that he feels like he has to denigrate every other fighter who ever existed to increase his own standing.

Correctly put.

That is also my gripe with Larry Holmes.

I respect his ability & the things he achieved, but he always came across as very bitter to me.

Even in the immediate aftermath of being pulverised by Tyson, he was saying something about Tyson has no-one in his life & will be in prison within 5 years.

OK, that actually turned out to be the case, but we weren't to know that at the time & whatever happened to heaping praise on your conqueror, at least in the immediate aftermath?

I have warmed to Holmes in recent times, especially since I watched the documentary, Muhammad & Larry, as he came across as very amiable & charismatic, but in his younger days, he was a very bitter man.

[Jaywheel]

Even in the immediate aftermath of being pulverised by Tyson, he was saying something about Tyson has no-one in his life & will be in prison within 5 years.

Inb4someonesaysthisiiswhatbrokeIronMike

[theone]

I saw an interview with Foreman a couple of years back where he stated that Jerry Quarry was the only man he ever ducked in his entire career. I believe he stated Quarrys counter punching skills worried him.

[palooka]

So from laughing yourself stupid (as though that ship hasnt sailed), youre down to asking for what happened? Guess whos laughing now? A word of advice? Never believe one word from Larry Holmes' mouth.

Why?

Because he is literally encased in his own bitterness, that is why. He lies, half-truths, & bullsh!ts his way through story after story. He's a liar. Hell, the man made his empire in Real Estate...how much stock are you gonna put in his word?

The man earned his money as a sparring partner and later as an excellent World Champ. He invested his money in property in his home town. He still works every day, over seeing things. Holmes didn't have it easy, did not get the best of starts and made a success of himself and of his life. If he is bitter; well; to be honest there are millions of bitter people around. You don't seem to like Holmes so you choose to disbelieve whatever he says.

A Holmes v Foreman bout would have been fantastic bit would have done both a lot of physical damage.

[keithmoonhangover]

Why?

Because he is literally encased in his own bitterness, that is why. He lies, half-truths, & bullsh!ts his way through story after story. He's a liar. Hell, the man made his empire in Real Estate...how much stock are you gonna put in his word?

The man earned his money as a sparring partner and later as an excellent World Champ. He invested his money in property in his home town. He still works every day, over seeing things. Holmes didn't have it easy, did not get the best of starts and made a success of himself and of his life. If he is bitter; well; to be honest there are millions of bitter people around. You don't seem to like Holmes so you choose to disbelieve whatever he says.

A Holmes v Foreman bout would have been fantastic bit would have done both a lot of physical damage.

Well said Foxy.

[palooka]

Thank you Mr Keith :)

[keithmoonhangover]

Thank you Mr Keith :)

You see, manners don't cost anything. Maybe Irene could take note of that.

[Giancarlo]

Thank you Mr Keith :)

You see, manners don't cost anything. Maybe Irene could take note of that.

Unlikely. He's your typical keyboard warrior.

[dempseyfire]

Nah... Holmes came from real poverty. He wasn't a middle class kid born into the sport. If he was mean and nasty that's because he was from that side of the tracks.

He also had the ba11s to back it up when he needed to.

Yeah, I went a little overboard with the last post. I disagree with his nastiness coming from being from the 'hood though, plenty of far nicer and more humble folks come from worse origins (Frazier, Hearns). His mean streak I think was mostly inspired by not getting enough credit during his prime years for how good he was, but he carried that chip on his shoulder with him into his later years and up to today as well, it's irritating that he feels like he has to denigrate every other fighter who ever existed to increase his own standing.

Correctly put.

That is also my gripe with Larry Holmes.

I respect his ability & the things he achieved, but he always came across as very bitter to me.

Even in the immediate aftermath of being pulverised by Tyson, he was saying something about Tyson has no-one in his life & will be in prison within 5 years.
OK, that actually turned out to be the case, but we weren't to know that at the time & whatever happened to heaping praise on your conqueror, at least in the immediate aftermath?

I have warmed to Holmes in recent times, especially since I watched the documentary, Muhammad & Larry, as he came across as very amiable & charismatic, but in his younger days, he was a very bitter man.

Well, he wasn't that far off now was he

[palooka]

Larry had probably seen more than 1 or 2 very similar to Mike when Holmes was growing up; he knew what would happen :(

[Goodnight, Irene]

Why?

Because he is literally encased in his own bitterness, that is why. He lies, half-truths, & bullsh!ts his way through story after story. He's a liar. Hell, the man made his empire in Real Estate...how much stock are you gonna put in his word?

The man earned his money as a sparring partner and later as an excellent World Champ. He invested his money in property in his home town. He still works every day, over seeing things. Holmes didn't have it easy, did not get the best of starts and made a success of himself and of his life. If he is bitter; well; to be honest there are millions of bitter people around. You don't seem to like Holmes so you choose to disbelieve whatever he says.

A Holmes v Foreman bout would have been fantastic bit would have done both a lot of physical damage.

That is unfounded. If that's the case, please indicate to me what Holmes has to say to bolster his claims. Is it not true that Holmes has a long history of exaggeration & judgement-clouding bitterness, especially toward Foreman?

[Goodnight, Irene]

Thank you Mr Keith :)

It was a good post for the most part, yes (my disagreements are obviously outlined above), but don't take Keith's praise too seriously --- if you posted the sky was black & it countered my view, he'd be here writing the same congratulations.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Thank you Mr Keith :)

You see, manners don't cost anything. Maybe Irene could take note of that.

Respect is earned, friend. If I find something ridiculous asserted by Ezzard, or DempseyFire, or Jaclem, or a host of other members, do you see me addressing them as I do you? Show me one post where I have. You can't, & that ends that.

Saying stupid things inspires a tired response. Instead of running from thread-to-thread crying over it, how about trying to better yourself?

[BoxBuzz]

hey GI...your last response appears to be self serving and having little to do with subject matter at hand.

Highly unusual and concerning to those of us who adhere to strict standards in terms of context and relevancy.

[Brutu]

Foreman vs Holmes
"the Battle of the Aged".
Was scheduled to take place January.23.1999 at the Houston Astrodome.
Foreman turned 50 Jan.10.1999 and Larry Holmes had just turned 49 yrs old the previous November.
The main reason it was called off was because a couple of weeks before the fight
one of the financial backers backed out.
Foreman was to get 10 million and Holmes 4 million.
So the promoter had to get some letters of credit.
Foreman got a non-refundable deposit of One Million and Larry Holmes got a non-refundable deposit of $400,000.
It was going to be on pay-per-view and from I remember it was
cancelled for sure the day it was suppose to take place.
Although the promoter Roger Levitt up till the last day, assured it was still going to take place

[The Great John L]

Their first career trajectories never crossed paths so that's really a mute point.

In their 40s, around 1997 or so they actually were serious talks between Holmes-Foreman for a fight for some 'golden oldies' HW belt or some crap, and I think the fight was even announced, but it broke down over money I believe, but I do think Foreman didn't want to risk his image by losing to another 40+ year old fighter.

That sounds about right. Holmes, in addition to any HW remotely close to a ranking, wasn't exactly on George's radar prior to him snagging the big money fight against Holyfield. For that matter there really weren't many risks at all during his second career outside of Evander and MM.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I wonder if you ever tire of riding Big George's name, John. Did he murder a member of your family?

[Rambo]

why you skittin at George? Holmes threw his belt in the bin, didnt fancy it, end of story

[hurlock]

why you skittin at George? Holmes threw his belt in the bin, didnt fancy it, end of story

that was riddick bowe dumbo :!: D

[gregor]

After his comeback Foreman took risky fight only when it was a titlefight. Holmes style was obviously wrong for old George... outboxing him would be impossible, and knocking him out, while at least possible, wouldn't be easy with his speed and chin. And, as mentioned, he had no title at that time.

[BoxBuzz]

Foreman had agreed to fight..........so no duck took place.

End of hypothetical conjecture.....

next subject.

[overhand_right]

That sounds about right. Holmes, in addition to any HW remotely close to a ranking, wasn't exactly on George's radar prior to him snagging the big money fight against Holyfield. For that matter there really weren't many risks at all during his second career outside of Evander and MM.

I don't mean to sound rude but could you try get your facts right before insulting fighters? Between Foreman's comeback in 1987 and his fight with Holyfield in April 1991, Larry Holmes was neither active nor a ranked contender. In fact, he only came back about a week prior to Foreman-Holyfield, stopping Tim Doc Anderson. So when during that time frame was Foreman-Holmes EVER a consideration?

For the record, Foreman did indeed sign to fight Holmes in 1999, but the fight fell apart a week or two before due to promotional backing - no fault of George or Larry.

[Goodnight, Irene]

That sounds about right. Holmes, in addition to any HW remotely close to a ranking, wasn't exactly on George's radar prior to him snagging the big money fight against Holyfield. For that matter there really weren't many risks at all during his second career outside of Evander and MM.

I don't mean to sound rude but could you try get your facts right before insulting fighters? Between Foreman's comeback in 1987 and his fight with Holyfield in April 1991, Larry Holmes was neither active nor a ranked contender. In fact, he only came back about a week prior to Foreman-Holyfield, stopping Tim Doc Anderson. So when during that time frame was Foreman-Holmes EVER a consideration?

For the record, Foreman did indeed sign to fight Holmes in 1999, but the fight fell apart a week or two before due to promotional backing - no fault of George or Larry.

Don't mind John. He's a chip on his shoulder like few have. At least in regards to this fighter.