Classic American West Coast Boxing

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Rick Farris wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:
kikibalt wrote: More than one place Ram, more than one place.... :TU: :TU:
You gotta hook me up :OhYes: :TU: :OhYes:

Remy, between Frank & Randy, you'll find yourself in Taco heaven here in Southern Cal.
As far as great tacos are concerned, you'll be in the right place with the right people next month.
I look forward to shaking your hand and enjoying some of our CAWCB buddies at the CBHOF lunch.
I would also like to say that the food served at the CBHOF event (although not Mexican food) is very good, better than at the larger WBHOF events of past.
Don and Frank put on a great event, the best you'll find anywhere on the West Coast. :OhYes:
Im also looking forward to meeting the CAWCB crew on the luncheon(maybe on other occasions to??? ) Ive seen Randys film from a past Cbhof event and it looks like a great event , it looked real friendly and not as rigid as other events, lots of smiles all around.

I found La Parilla is just about 14 min drive from my hotel so there will be tripita tacos (probably other sorts too :OhYes: )
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Panzerfaust wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote: You gotta hook me up :OhYes: :TU: :OhYes:

Remy, between Frank & Randy, you'll find yourself in Taco heaven here in Southern Cal.
As far as great tacos are concerned, you'll be in the right place with the right people next month.
I look forward to shaking your hand and enjoying some of our CAWCB buddies at the CBHOF lunch.
I would also like to say that the food served at the CBHOF event (although not Mexican food) is very good, better than at the larger WBHOF events of past.
Don and Frank put on a great event, the best you'll find anywhere on the West Coast. :OhYes:
Im also looking forward to meeting the CAWCB crew on the luncheon(maybe on other occasions to??? ) Ive seen Randys film from a past Cbhof event and it looks like a great event , it looked real friendly and not as rigid as other events, lots of smiles all around.

I found La Parilla is just about 14 min drive from my hotel so there will be tripita tacos (probably other sorts too :OhYes: )
There is also La Parrilla restaurant's on Wilshire Bl. and Sunset Bl
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Panzerfaust wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote: thx Frank :TU:
Remy, I don't know where you are planning to stay, but the Sportsman's Lodge, where the event is being held is a nice place.
I'll be happy to drive you and any of our out of town guests staying at the Lodge anywhere you might want to go in L.A. that week.
I'll be off work that week and know the town as well as anybody. :TU:
Thx for the offer Rick.
We'll be staying at the Vagabond motel on Vine street right next to the Wildcard, Im planning on getting some workouts done during my 2 week stay, and may need to considering all the food ill have to ''sample'' :OhYes: ( Ill be spending alot of time there, Its like heaven for me coming from basically a non boxing country to be around a real boxing gym :box: )
How Cool is that,to get some workouts in at The Wild Card during a boxing trip ! :TU: :box: :TU: :TU:
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Reading the piece on Freddie Roach accepting a training job for the 2012 USA team,one must wonder if its a good match-up.

For years, boxing people always were pretty much up front on the difference of styles needed in high leveled matches at the amateur level.

A boxer who is fighting amateurs with the intent on turning Pro in the near future gears his amateur career towards an advancing state and trying to incorporate pro tendacies over time.
An accomplished Amateur who rates high in the Amateur ranks fights a different style to impress the Foreign judges on scoring, as we see in most Olympics.

Certainly many Pro Champs came from highly successful amateur careers, but their trainers were different at that time and after a successful run at the Gold,or Golden Gloves decided then to turn pro.

I think its one reason why Freddie was a trainer and not the Team Coach position.
I, for one, would like to see what Freddie accomplishes with what he has, keeping in mind what the talented Olympic hopeful brings to the table to begin with.

Frank, I value your opinion on this one. Am I talking about two different animals here-Amateur & Pro training, or am I under the wrong impression ?
Does anyone else want to weigh in on this.?
And do not get me wrong here- I certainly do hope Freddie can pull this off with a few Golden Successes in 2012.
The article also states that Freddie will have an advisory role,and he plans on continuing with Khan & Pac-man; no doubt taking up much time for his bread and butter. It still remains to be seen actually how much time he will be putting in with the team too.
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3 minutes of CLASSIC TV Comedy . . .

"Barney Fife and the Preamble to the Constitution"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBuPQgV8 ... ata_player

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CNorkusJr wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:
Rick Farris wrote: Remy, I don't know where you are planning to stay, but the Sportsman's Lodge, where the event is being held is a nice place.
I'll be happy to drive you and any of our out of town guests staying at the Lodge anywhere you might want to go in L.A. that week.
I'll be off work that week and know the town as well as anybody. :TU:
Thx for the offer Rick.
We'll be staying at the Vagabond motel on Vine street right next to the Wildcard, Im planning on getting some workouts done during my 2 week stay, and may need to considering all the food ill have to ''sample'' :OhYes: ( Ill be spending alot of time there, Its like heaven for me coming from basically a non boxing country to be around a real boxing gym :box: )
How Cool is that,to get some workouts in at The Wild Card during a boxing trip ! :TU: :box: :TU: :TU:
That's great, Remy. I'll drop by the gym while you're in town.
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kikibalt wrote:
Cholo wrote:Rick/Frank, I was wrong about a Mosley KO, what a stinker, i think Manny just wanted to do enough to win without hurting Shane too much. I wonder what the old-timers would think about the fights today, couldn't see Artie Aragon wanting to keep touching gloves and hugging, he'd be there to FIGHT.... :TU:
My son Tony and Hector Camacho did the same thing in 1990, when they fought for Hector's title. I think it was the only time in Tony career that I was disappointed in him.... :witzend: :OhYes:
You guys are right. Mutual respect is one thing, but the fans are not paying to be a part of a mutual admiration society. Pac needed to step it up after flooring Mosely, his position necessitates he always be spectacular and bigger than life. That's the perception. Reality is he's not the best ever, but he is the undisputed best of this era, and he isn't done. He's pretty amazing for these times and all times. My opinion.
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Cholo wrote:Ric, The Fugitive, greatest show ever, i have the complete dvd set.... :TU:
:TU: Back at ya!
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Ric wrote:
Cholo wrote:Ric, The Fugitive, greatest show ever, i have the complete dvd set.... :TU:
:TU: Back at ya!
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The Fugitve . . . A Quinn-Martin Production.
I remember it, one of my mom's favorites.
Those were great days in television entertainment.
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One more Lionel Rose memory from August, 1969 (The Olivares defense). . .

Lionel had a variety of boxers working with him in sparring sessions inside the Alexandria Hotel's second story ballroom.
One of them was "Irish" Frankie Crawford. Just a random memory.

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Just looking at Lionel's record on boxrec and his non-title fight with Jose Medel has 'round' scores of 6-6 and 7-4 in a 10-rounder. What's that all about? :KO:
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Rick Farris wrote:
Ric wrote:
Cholo wrote:Ric, The Fugitive, greatest show ever, i have the complete dvd set.... :TU:
:TU: Back at ya!
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The Fugitve . . . A Quinn-Martin Production.
I remember it, one of my mom's favorites.
Those were great days in television entertainment.
Rick, I agree, do remember the another Quinn-Martin Production starring Roy Thinnes, The Invaders... :TU:
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Ric, thanks for the Kionel Rose articles. They made for great reading :TU:

I can't believe you remember Jack Rennie. Well, he's still kicking on. He's in a nursing home and they interviewed him tonight. He was in tears when talking about Lionel

Around 1991 Lionel's story was made into telemovie...Rose Against The Odds. Telly Savalas played Parnassus :D
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Lionel Rose

1st Aborigine to a win world boxing title

Lionel Rose, 62, the first Australian Aborigine to win a world boxing title, died Sunday near Melbourne after being ill for several months, his family said. He had a stroke in 2007 that left him partially paralyzed.

Rose beat Japan's Masahiko "Fighting" Harada in Tokyo in February 1968 to win the world bantamweight title at age 19.

In December of that year at the Forum in Inglewood, Rose was declared the victor in a split 15-round decision over Mexico's Jesus "Chucho" Castillo. An unruly mob among the more than 15,000 spectators rioted, throwing bottles, chairs and other debris into the ring and setting fires inside and outside the arena.

Known for his powerful left and his calculated ring strategy, Rose successfully defended his bantamweight title three times before relinquishing the World Boxing Council and World Boxing Assn. honors in August 1969 when Mexican fighter Ruben Olivares knocked him out in the fifth round at the Forum. Rose retired in 1971, made a comeback in 1975, then finished his career in 1976 with 42 wins, 12 by knockout, in 53 fights.

Rose was named Australian of the year after his world title victory, becoming the first Aborigine to receive the honor, and was appointed a Member of the Order of the British Empire

Born June 21, 1948, Rose was raised in the bush settlement of Jackson's Track outside Melbourne. He grew up with a large family that lived in a hut with corrugated metal roof and packed dirt floor and without electricity or running water.

"It was home," Rose told The Times' Dwight Chapin in 1969, "and I spent many happy years in those crude huts."

Rose added that his upbringing "not only led me into boxing but also gave me something else that helped me to the world's title. It's like an outer shell that gives you resistance and immunity to many things, physical and mental."

After retiring, Rose worked odd jobs, battled alcoholism and had several brushes with the law over the decades.

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bennie wrote:Just looking at Lionel's record on boxrec and his non-title fight with Jose Medel has 'round' scores of 6-6 and 7-4 in a 10-rounder. What's that all about? :KO:
That score was in points not rounds. In my life time I don't remember fights ever been score in rounds in California.....
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Manny Pacquiao, and fight fans, are irked at Shane Mosley's performance

Pacquiao's one-sided, unanimous-decision victory in Las Vegas was notable chiefly for the 39-year-old Mosley's unwillingness to stand up and fight. Pacquiao wouldn't even shake hands afterward.

By Lance Pugmire

May 8, 2011

Reporting from Las Vegas — It takes quite a bit to get Manny Pacquiao upset, but Shane Mosley accomplished the feat Saturday night with his unwillingness to engage in what a million-plus people paid millions of dollars to watch: a fight.

"I expected him toe-to-toe with me for at least five of the 12 rounds," Pacquiao said after cruising to a one-sided, unanimous-decision victory over Mosley at MGM Grand Garden Arena. "I want to give people a good fight."

Instead, Pomona's Mosley (46-7-1) shrunk from the ring courage that made him a three-division world champion and certain boxing Hall of Famer. Now, at a badly slowing 39, he appears a lock for retirement at best or clinging to bouts on a second-tier circuit at worst.

Pacquiao was so miffed after the 12th round, he turned his back to 9-to-1 underdog Mosley rather than shake hands, and walked to his corner. Pacquiao knocked Mosley down in the third round, and hurt him so much in the 11th that Mosley went into full retreat en route to being out-punched, 182-82.

"Will Showtime or HBO use him again?" Pacquiao's similarly bitter trainer Freddie Roach asked about Mosley. "No . . . way. . . . From round one, he never took a step forward at us all night. When fighters don't try to win, it's time to retire."

Mosley, who earned more than $5 million for the appearance, said after the fight he was "not calling it quits" yet, and anticipated the next few months to be spent in "vacation, relaxation, enjoying the fruits of my labor."

Mosley's departure leaves Pacquiao (53-3-2) in line for a likely Nov. 5 bout in Las Vegas against either Juan Manuel Marquez of Mexico, Palm Springs' Timothy Bradley or Zab Judah, promoter Bob Arum said late Saturday.

World lightweight champion Marquez met with Arum on Saturday morning and rejected a $5-million guarantee.

Arum has promised to "revise" the offer by early next week, and Marquez will then take that proposal to his promoter Golden Boy Promotions, which has the chance to match any offer Marquez receives from an opposing promoter through next year. Golden Boy has hinted at offering Marquez a lucrative late-fall bout against world super-welterweight champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez.

Marquez has fought Pacquiao tough twice — a 2004 draw and a 2008 split-decision win by Pacquiao.

"I'd like to shut him up; all the talk he does about how he was robbed," Roach said of Marquez. "It'd be good for boxing. I know how much Manny has improved since that [last] fight."

If the Top Rank offer can be matched by Golden Boy, Arum said he'll pursue two other fighters angling for bouts against Golden Boy's Amir Khan: Bradley and Judah. Bradley is unbeaten and deciding whether he wants to accept a payday not to exceed $1.4 million against world junior-welterweight champion Khan.

Roach told reporters he doesn't find Judah appetizing for anything more than "four rounds," and said it would take a "miracle" to foresee a Pacquiao-Bradley bout.

Pacquiao said he still would take on Floyd Mayweather Jr. if the unbeaten fighter ever gets over his inactive spell and legal problems, but Mayweather has been off for more than a year now, so he'll likely require a tuneup bout.

"Manny has more punching power. Floyd is more technical, with great defense, speed and a high IQ," said Mosley, who now has lost to both men within a year. "The fight would be interesting."

After Saturday, boxing fans are owed "interesting" at the very least.

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kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:Just looking at Lionel's record on boxrec and his non-title fight with Jose Medel has 'round' scores of 6-6 and 7-4 in a 10-rounder. What's that all about? :KO:
That score was in points not rounds. In my life time I don't remember fights ever been score in rounds in California.....
In 1968, the fight was scored using the five point must system.
Both fighters start with 0 points, and are given between one and five points for a round.
An even round results in 0 points for both fighters.
A knockdown round results in 2 points (generally) or more?

Like Frank said, California doesn't use the round system, NY used to use the round system.
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Cholo wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Ric wrote: :TU: Back at ya!
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The Fugitve . . . A Quinn-Martin Production.
I remember it, one of my mom's favorites.
Those were great days in television entertainment.
Rick, I agree, do remember the another Quinn-Martin Production starring Roy Thinnes, The Invaders... :TU:

Yes Paul, that was a good one!
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Classic Hollywood: The motion picture academy during wartime

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/ne ... 3213.story
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Talking Zab Judah against Pac-Man,you got to be kidding, so much for the depth of the
competition for Manny.
Unfortunate for Manny- I can see him a middlweight in 2 years.
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How about Manny vs Victor Ortiz..... :o
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Rick Farris wrote:
Cholo wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
The Fugitve . . . A Quinn-Martin Production.
I remember it, one of my mom's favorites.
Those were great days in television entertainment.
Rick, I agree, do remember the another Quinn-Martin Production starring Roy Thinnes, The Invaders... :TU:

Yes Paul, that was a good one!

That can't be right the "Sopranos" is the greatest seris ever made the "Fugitive" was so predictable every week it would end with Dr kimble almost catching the one armed man but no he just left town
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Cholo wrote:How about Manny vs Victor Ortiz..... :o
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'd love it. One round! :OhYes:
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CNorkusJr wrote:Talking Zab Judah against Pac-Man,you got to be kidding, so much for the depth of the
competition for Manny.
Unfortunate for Manny- I can see him a middlweight in 2 years.
Next?

The Judah fight won't happen (It's just a name being thrown in). Hopefully, in two years Manny will be retired.
Pac will never weigh over 145, although he will likely to continue fighting guys who enter the ring 20 lbs. heavier.
I hope they give him an easy one, Juan Manuel Marquez. Manny is better than he was last time, Marquez is just older.
I doubt Marquez would survive the first round this time.
The Golden Boy-Arum beef will likely get in the way of a Pac-Victor Ortiz fight. Too bad. Pac would make him quit again. :OhYes:
Saul Alvarez isn't ready for Pacquiao, and again, the Oscar-Arum fued will block that.
Martinez is really too big, and a guy that strong will take a lot out Pac. That would be a tough win, or a tough loss.
Just my opinion, Charlie.
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