Nigel Benn

[orbtastic]

debunked. he got back in the ring on his own steam. under the wbc rules at the time he had 20 seconds, he was in well under that. The ref was overly fussy though, but McClellan didn't do what he asked i.e. go to a neutral corner.

[coghaugen11]

He did very very well to stop DeWitt, Barkley, Sims and McClellan - four of Americas toughest.

DeWitt and Barkley had never been down as much in a fight, Sims had never been taken out and McClellan had never been stopped.

I thought he won the 2nd fight with Eubank the way he was slipping, rolling and weaving with 90+% of what Eubank threw and landing solid shots to the body throughout, as well as outworking Eubank inside, and also even wobbling him 4-5 times. Very very good performance.

I thought he was getting the better of Collins in their 10 rounds too, countering with perfect power punches while flaunting that flamboyant bob-and-weave style. When he dropped Malinga it was the most perfectly-timed counter overarm right you'll see.

I thought he was brilliant against Wharton - darting in and out of range with quick feet, showing a lovely left jab, bobbing on the ropes, countering off the ropes.

For me he was one of the lb4lb 10-12 fighters. Look at the guys DeWitt beat (Sims, Hilton), Barkley beat (Hearns x2), Sims beat (Barkley, Duran), McClellan beat (Mugabi, Jackson), Eubank beat (Watson x2, Rocchigiani)... Benn clearly beat them all.

[Counter-puncher]

Look at the guys DeWitt beat (Sims, Hilton), Barkley beat (Hearns x2), Sims beat (Barkley, Duran), McClellan beat (Mugabi, Jackson), Eubank beat (Watson x2, Rocchigiani)... Benn clearly beat them all.

most of those victories were a loooong time before Nige got his handso n Dewitt et al, though.

[coghaugen11]

Look at the guys DeWitt beat (Sims, Hilton), Barkley beat (Hearns x2), Sims beat (Barkley, Duran), McClellan beat (Mugabi, Jackson), Eubank beat (Watson x2, Rocchigiani)... Benn clearly beat them all.

most of those victories were a loooong time before Nige got his handso n Dewitt et al, though.

Don't be daft DeWitt beat Hilton in his previous fight, Barkley beat Hearns before and after he fought Benn, Eubank beat Watson before and Rocchigiani after, McClellan beat Jackson in his previous fight, etc.

[orbtastic]

Hilton was coming off a loss and it's fair to say the wheels had already come off his career.

DeWitt was clearly at the end of his career, he went 1-1-1 after Benn and was 7-4-2 before Benn, with two of those losses being KOs and 2 of the wins contested (one of them being the Sims fight, having already lost to him), hardly great form.

Barkley beat Hearns but he'd also lost to Nunn & Barkley before he faced Benn and had gone 3-3 and one of the wins being contested. Hearns was shot to bits when he faced him the 2nd time.

Sims was 3-3 going into the Benn fight

McClellan...jeez, Mugabi was shot to ribbons, Jackson was totally done the 2nd time and blind in one eye and McClellan had gone a total of 8 rounds in 2 years going into the fight, hardly the best prep?

[coghaugen11]

Oh God, hilarious....


Anyway, Barkley ran Duran and Nunn close (many arguing he won both). Fighters the equiv of Pacquaio and Mayweather today, in all honesty.

[Counter-puncher]

Hilton was coming off a loss and it's fair to say the wheels had already come off his career.

DeWitt was clearly at the end of his career, he went 1-1-1 after Benn and was 7-4-2 before Benn, with two of those losses being KOs and 2 of the wins contested (one of them being the Sims fight, having already lost to him), hardly great form.

Barkley beat Hearns but he'd also lost to Nunn & Barkley before he faced Benn and had gone 3-3 and one of the wins being contested. Hearns was shot to bits when he faced him the 2nd time.

Sims was 3-3 going into the Benn fight

McClellan...jeez, Mugabi was shot to ribbons, Jackson was totally done the 2nd time and blind in one eye and McClellan had gone a total of 8 rounds in 2 years going into the fight, hardly the best prep?

ta, mate

dewitt was past best, quite clearly

barkley near-dead at 160

sims always up and down career and had had time out due to drugs etc

mclellan had almost no competition and none at all at 168lbs

[coghaugen11]

In what fights did DeWitt look better than he had against Sims and Hilton going into the Benn fight? He looked brilliant in those fights, trebling those hooks in the 1st round and rallying in the later rounds to secure points (Sims) and force stoppage (Hilton). He did better with Hilton than Hines did. He hadn't look so good since the Hearns fight, which was close and competitive.

Kalambay said post-fight that Sims hurt him to the body more than McCallum did.

And Jackson hardly looked past his best against Dennis Milton and Thomas Tate. He was Ring Magazine #1 middleweight and #8 lb4lb. McClellan also took out granite-chinned Gilbert Baptist - who took a sharp offensive Hopkins a tough 12 - in less than a round. Baptist had never been off his feet and always looked extremely competitive against the very best. That more than underlined McClellan's pedigree.


orbtastic and Counter-puncher genuinely sound retarded

[Jaywheel]

He did better with Hilton than Hines did.

Irrelevant. Berbick did better with Ali than Foreman did. By the time Hilton fought Hewitt, he was a bloated drunken ghost. The Matthew Hilton that beat Drayton would have knocked DeWitt into oblivion within 3.

[coghaugen11]

Dude it was the same Hilton who fought Bam Bam Hines a year before. He obliterated Hines at times.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Hearns certainly wasn't "shot to bits" for the second Barkley fight.

[Jaywheel]

Dude, he was drunk when he fought Hines. Get your facts straight. Everything started going downhill right after the Drayton win. He went on to beat to tomatons before losing to Hines. His huge left hand was what saved him but by 1988, he was hardly training at all.

[orbtastic]

Stick to gagging on Eubank's cock and wanking off over program notes from old Eubank fights.

Jackson looked his best against Tate? Are you on drugs? Everyone said it was his career worst performance to that point, "looked out of sorts" "struggled" "looked bad" as the commentators said in the McClellan fight.

Baptist and Bell were DK sacrificial lambs, there to make up the numbers and make Gerald look good. Baptist looked half scared to death.

[orbtastic]

Hearns certainly wasn't "shot to bits" for the second Barkley fight.

So he had shown no signs of decline at all leading up to that point? He then didn't go on to have a serious decline in performances and have people questioning his chin and his health?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He had just beat the #1 Light Heavyweight in the world. Later he beat a solid Cruiserweight in Nate Miller. He wasn't in his prime, but Tommy never got to the point where Shane Mosley was last weekend. That would be shot to bits.

[keithmoonhangover]

Hilton was coming off a loss and it's fair to say the wheels had already come off his career.

DeWitt was clearly at the end of his career, he went 1-1-1 after Benn and was 7-4-2 before Benn, with two of those losses being KOs and 2 of the wins contested (one of them being the Sims fight, having already lost to him), hardly great form.

Barkley beat Hearns but he'd also lost to Nunn & Barkley before he faced Benn and had gone 3-3 and one of the wins being contested. Hearns was shot to bits when he faced him the 2nd time.

Sims was 3-3 going into the Benn fight

McClellan...jeez, Mugabi was shot to ribbons, Jackson was totally done the 2nd time and blind in one eye and McClellan had gone a total of 8 rounds in 2 years going into the fight, hardly the best prep?

Barkley in one round is VERY impressive. No one else ever did that to Iran and for Benn to do it in Barkley's back yard makes it all the more impressive.

[orbtastic]

He had just beat the #1 Light Heavyweight in the world. Later he beat a solid Cruiserweight in Nate Miller. He wasn't in his prime, but Tommy never got to the point where Shane Mosley was last weekend. That would be shot to bits.

I watched the Miller fight from Ringside with Miller's manager, Miller was lethargic and awful, Tommy had a decent jab but it's fair to say that Tommy only won that fight because Miller did absolutely nothing for round after round.

Yes he beat Hill, yes some people said the Tommy of old was back but to say that he wasn't in any way or form shot in the 2nd Barkley fight is ridiculous. He looked awful (and some people still thought he won) and had shown signs in previous fights that he was in serious decline. His balance was off, his timing was off, he looked gunshy at times and content to lay back on the ropes and fight in bursts. It was not vintage Hearns and it was survival mode at times for him.

[orbtastic]

Barkley in one round is VERY impressive. No one else ever did that to Iran and for Benn to do it in Barkley's back yard makes it all the more impressive.

He fouled him senseless! Barkley was up and ready to go after the 3rd KD but the rules meant it was waved off.

It's a good result but let's not make out that Barkley was the best middleweight of the 90s or something. He is boxing biggest overachiever. Tough as old boots and as game as they come but really, let's put this into perspective?

[keithmoonhangover]

Barkley in one round is VERY impressive. No one else ever did that to Iran and for Benn to do it in Barkley's back yard makes it all the more impressive.

He fouled him senseless! Barkley was up and ready to go after the 3rd KD but the rules meant it was waved off.

It's a good result but let's not make out that Barkley was the best middleweight of the 90s or something. He is boxing biggest overachiever. Tough as old boots and as game as they come but really, let's put this into perspective?

I am putting into perspective. How many other fighters put Barkley down, let alone put him down three times. It took James (Lights On) Toney 9 rounds to stop Iran.

[orbtastic]

Sims knocked him out and I've seen that fight.

I'm not entirely sure what point you are trying to make? Would Benn have put him down 3 times had he not been fouling? I'm not sure.

[keithmoonhangover]

Sims knocked him out and I've seen that fight.

I'm not entirely sure what point you are trying to make? Would Benn have put him down 3 times had he not been fouling? I'm not sure.

The point is clear mate. Benn spanked Barkley in a single round - something no one else did before or after. Me personally, I think Benn deserves a lot of credit for that. If you don't think he does then so be it. Everyone's different. :)

[orbtastic]

He didn't spark him? I already said he knocked him down 3 times and he was up and ready to go after the 3rd KD but the ref eventually waved it off due to the 3KD rule. Would he have had those 3 KDs if he'd not have been fouling? No, is what I'm saying.

It's like saying Bentt "sparked" Morrison. He didn't do anything remotely like Mercer did. Was Morrison really with it after the 3rd KD, probably not but he wasn't up at 3 and walking forward.

In any case, Barkley is a massive overachiever.

[keithmoonhangover]

He didn't spark him? I already said he knocked him down 3 times and he was up and ready to go after the 3rd KD but the ref eventually waved it off due to the 3KD rule. Would he have had those 3 KDs if he'd not have been fouling? No, is what I'm saying.

It's like saying Bentt "sparked" Morrison. He didn't do anything remotely like Mercer did. Was Morrison really with it after the 3rd KD, probably not but he wasn't up at 3 and walking forward.

In any case, Barkley is a massive overachiever.

Will you not conceed that Benn's performance was impressive?

[orbtastic]

I think what I think before you came into the thread - It's a good performance against a dangerous guy who could bang, however Barkley is Barkley and anyone with an ounce of skill usually beat him. I still contend that Benn was lucky not to be DQ'd, he fouled him silly and I still say that Barkley is boxing's biggest overachiever.

It's a great one round brawl, with plenty of action and momentum shifts.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He had just beat the #1 Light Heavyweight in the world. Later he beat a solid Cruiserweight in Nate Miller. He wasn't in his prime, but Tommy never got to the point where Shane Mosley was last weekend. That would be shot to bits.

I watched the Miller fight from Ringside with Miller's manager, Miller was lethargic and awful, Tommy had a decent jab but it's fair to say that Tommy only won that fight because Miller did absolutely nothing for round after round.

Yes he beat Hill, yes some people said the Tommy of old was back but to say that he wasn't in any way or form shot in the 2nd Barkley fight is ridiculous. He looked awful (and some people still thought he won) and had shown signs in previous fights that he was in serious decline. His balance was off, his timing was off, he looked gunshy at times and content to lay back on the ropes and fight in bursts. It was not vintage Hearns and it was survival mode at times for him.

Ridiculous is saying he was shot for the Barkley fight. Nobody called it vintage Hearns. Is there nothing in between Prime and uselessly shot? If there isn't, you need to stop posting.

He didn't look awful at all, it was a great fight. Just admit you're wrong and carry on with your stupid argument. I don't care who you know or where you watched what fight. Thomas Hearns wasn't beyond shot when he lost to Barkley. That is a fact.