David Haye Ringside

[stujones]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... schko.html

[iamasadlittleboy]

Haye comes across as a childish prick...but he always does...Wlad comes across as a great and classy guy...again he always does...

[forcefraser]

Haye was spot on about not wanting to get comfortable with Wlad. It looks like Haye has some problems dealing with Wlad's dominant personality, so the less time he spends with him the better.

Johnny Nelson needs to realise that when interviewing a non native english speaker, he needs to slow down his questions and not talk as though he is chatting with some mates down the pub. Wlad speaks good English, but he had problems undertanding Nelson last night.

[pasty_spud]

its all good hype.....


like haye said the klits are used to having it all their own was,getting what they want and all that..whatever haye can do to take them out of their comfort zone is fair game imo....


its woke up the heavyweight division...for that we should all be happy



ps the borat/shake my hand part was funny...and both fighters had a laugh

[apophenic]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... schko.html

I think she dumped him as Wlad was really happy on Tuesday on bbc breakfast, talking to sian about the upcoming fight and his 5ft 2 girlfriend (his words).

<points at klitschko and laughs>

[Glyn Leach]

ps the borat/shake my hand part was funny...and both fighters had a laugh

Think this might be the reason why David's keeping his distance. Wlad is actually a funny and amiable fella, David won't want to be going down that road with him, not good for the mindset. They'd probably get on well if they weren't rivals, hard to dislike either of them.

[orbtastic]

ps the borat/shake my hand part was funny...and both fighters had a laugh

Think this might be the reason why David's keeping his distance. Wlad is actually a funny and amiable fella, David won't want to be going down that road with him, not good for the mindset. They'd probably get on well if they weren't rivals, hard to dislike either of them.

He seemed to have no problem literally punching the snot out of Audley, surely he can't be trying to keep his game face on in an effort to "be mean" on fight night with Wlad?

Something doesn't quite add up here.

[Glyn Leach]

Not quite that Orb but I think it serves David's mentality that he should feel a degree of animosity towards Wlad, not get too close, as he will know that Wlad's the best fighter he will have faced and that he will be going into the lion's den, so to speak, to beat him. He needs to feel 'all business' about it.

That said, you're right, it does look odd. The business about not being in the same room was plain silly and did Haye no favours. I don't buy that 'I would have slapped him' line. I think it's more likely he knew Wlad would be too sharp for him in a verbal one-to-one and that he would have been shown up — after all, the best Haye could offer was to call him Borat, which wasn't exactly the work of a rocket scientist. As it was, Haye let him turn it into The Wlad Show for 20 minutes, time which Wlad used well IMO. But Haye was in a no-win situation and it was probably best that he sat back and let Wlad charm the viewers rather than take him on in a verbal match and get a kicking.

[Ezzard]

Not quite that Orb but I think it serves David's mentality that he should feel a degree of animosity towards Wlad, not get too close, as he will know that Wlad's the best fighter he will have faced and that he will be going into the lion's den, so to speak, to beat him. He needs to feel 'all business' about it.

That said, you're right, it does look odd. The business about not being in the same room was plain silly and did Haye no favours. I don't buy that 'I would have slapped him' line. I think it's more likely he knew Wlad would be too sharp for him in a verbal one-to-one and that he would have been shown up — after all, the best Haye could offer was to call him Borat, which wasn't exactly the work of a rocket scientist. As it was, Haye let him turn it into The Wlad Show for 20 minutes, time which Wlad used well IMO. But Haye was in a no-win situation and it was probably best that he sat back and let Wlad charm the viewers rather than take him on in a verbal match and get a kicking.

Yes, I totally agree with this.

When Haye did come in it was obvious that he has analysed Wladimir both as a boxer and from a psychological perspective. Haye backed out of a fight he knew he couldn't win (in the studio) and knowing your limitations shows careful and dedicated attitude.

I think haye will beat Wladimir. Vitali would have ebaten Haye but he may be too old now.

[orbtastic]

Not quite that Orb but I think it serves David's mentality that he should feel a degree of animosity towards Wlad, not get too close, as he will know that Wlad's the best fighter he will have faced and that he will be going into the lion's den, so to speak, to beat him. He needs to feel 'all business' about it.

That said, you're right, it does look odd. The business about not being in the same room was plain silly and did Haye no favours. I don't buy that 'I would have slapped him' line. I think it's more likely he knew Wlad would be too sharp for him in a verbal one-to-one and that he would have been shown up — after all, the best Haye could offer was to call him Borat, which wasn't exactly the work of a rocket scientist. As it was, Haye let him turn it into The Wlad Show for 20 minutes, time which Wlad used well IMO. But Haye was in a no-win situation and it was probably best that he sat back and let Wlad charm the viewers rather than take him on in a verbal match and get a kicking.

Yeah, I can see that it's basic human psych to not be too chummy with someone you have to then try and knock out or at least "appear" to have some animosity towards but he's coming across as a bit of a Peter Enis here. I mean, you can still sell a fight on being courteous and mutal respect but not when it spills over into the fight and it becomes a sparring session but I don't think for one minute this fight is even remotely going to play out like that.

What I'm saying is that if you contrast this with how he was i nthe build-up to Audley, where they were apparently/supposedly/allegedly friends - It was obvious that Haye was playing the pantomime villain to an extent, whilst at the same time there was a little undercurrent of needle where he seemed a little miffed at a few things - You know that he was just selling the fight, overall and probably would have gone for a beer/mixer of his choice with Big Aud the next time they're in Miami.

This time he genuinely seems like he's a bit out of his depth - Like you say, knows he's already beaten in the verbal stakes and is quite content to not say anything less it be countered and he doesn't look as witty as he may appear on twitter (managed carefully by him after consideration/rumination) or on TV where his banter is clearly heavily rehearsed. I hope this doesn't play out into the fight either - Where we have 2-3 rounds of the Audley debacle where he's turning his hands over like he's doing the hokey cokey deciding whether to feint or throw and he's acutely aware that he may be countered. He said as much this week - Can't remember the exact quote, something along the lines of "I'm not spending my time thinking of things to say" but you get the impression that he's dwarfed, intellectually at least and he's not comfortable with it.

Dunno, maybe he's just grouchy, as he seemed to be leading up to Audley.

don't get me wrong, Wlad seems rattled too, under that Hugo Boss jacket he's definitely sweating but he's calculating and is using all his PR lessons well.

[Glyn Leach]

I suppose you have to be relatively smart to know not to take on someone smarter than you at their own game. There are a lot of fighters who would have walked right into Wlad's 'trap' and been left looking distinctly divvy. Pretty much echoes Haye's style of fighting, in truth. He knows not to play to Wlad's strengths in the ring, also.

(We could think ourselves up our own backsides for years over-analysing this pair, but it's fun to do. And we've probably got it completely wrong!)

[Chambers2]

Wlad's just as boring out of the ring as her is in it.

For some strange reason people want boxers to be as well behaved as polo players, doesn't anybody like a BAD boy anymore?

Haye's got his war face on already, Wlad's getting sparked!

[big lennox]

ps the borat/shake my hand part was funny...and both fighters had a laugh

Think this might be the reason why David's keeping his distance. Wlad is actually a funny and amiable fella, David won't want to be going down that road with him, not good for the mindset. They'd probably get on well if they weren't rivals, hard to dislike either of them.

Spot on. I like both of them.Both very bright people and good boxers, with contrasting styles.Haye is fast and explosive, but Wlad also has serious, serious power when he uses it.I think I remember an interview a few years ago with Freddie Roach, who said that Wlad and Tyson were the two hardest punchers he had ever taken on the pads.

[Final round]

I haven't seen this yet, was Dave interviewed in a different room as Wlad?If true then it then I understand why, it creates more suspense for when they do finally get in the weigh in/ring together. You want a degree of seperation building up to the head to heads.

i don't buy this Wlad's won the war of words already idea, did you see his video calling Haye out and looking like an arse in the process! yes Wlad seems like a nice bloke but a pugilistic entertainer? never .

[Glyn Leach]

They'd done head-to-heads that same day FR, doubt it was 'a plan'.

[earsjohn]

To all those complaining about the so called lack of respect that Haye is showing Wlad, actually watch and listen to Ringside and compare it with the build up to other fights. At no time did either Wlad or Haye talk over the other while they were talking. There was a bit of back and forth, but they were very clearly not interrupting each other. Compare that with Groves - Degale, the aftermath of Khan - McCloskey, any Hopkins fight, etc where the joint press conferences and PAs descend into tit for tat arguments, with each shouting louder to make their point.

Is it not probable that Wlad and Haye have agreed that a strategy to sell this fight requires one man to be the bad guy, which suits Haye given the history of this fight, with both fighters happy to let the situation play itself out? The smiles and laughs during the Borat bit probably indicates that they actually have more time for each other than they'll publically admit. Boxing is a business, hatred sells and both camps have a history of making more money from fights than the fights probably deserve. If they sell out the Imtech and get the desired level of PPV buys, neither guy will care too much about what was said in the build up as they'll be too busy counting the £££s that the supposed hatred generated.

[doctorboxing]

I'm more interested in seeing which one of them gets a role in Borat 2 if Sacha Baren Cohen makes a sequel. Wonder if that clip will be the one SKY will use to sell the fight "Fun times", "Yes, I like, how much is your purse?"

[Final round]

They'd done head-to-heads that same day FR, doubt it was 'a plan'.

lol fair enough Glyn, scratch that one but! somebody cooked up the idea could have been Dave but it may of been Sky?

[Glyn Leach]

They'd done head-to-heads that same day FR, doubt it was 'a plan'.

lol fair enough Glyn, scratch that one but! somebody cooked up the idea could have been Dave but it may of been Sky?

More than likely Dave I reckon mate, I think Sky would have loved to have them on the stools together.

As an aside, did anyone else notice how damned straight Wlad's back was? Could have put a spirit level on it, incredible.

[grannyman]

Why is it that Eubank and Naz are remembered fondly for their confidence/arrogance, yet Haye gets an earful on here?

He cleaned up the Cruiserweights and moved up to win a belt, now he's trying to clean up the heavy's aswell.

I think Booth is too cute to take this fight without having seen something on Wlad.

My money's on Haye, I like the fact that he happily admits that if he took a big shot from Wlad on the chin, then he'd go down. I think he will be too fast though. People have questioned Hayes chin over the last couple of years, based on one loss years ago when both fighters took plenty of shots, Wlad's been down a hell of a lot more.

Just my opinion.

[mrbassie]

Why is it that Eubank and Naz are remembered fondly for their confidence/arrogance, yet Haye gets an earful on here?

Well if you cast your mind back, everybody hated Eubank's guts until the Thompson fights. Everybody still thinks Naz is a tw@t (I do anyway, hate safe-boys)

[stujones]

Why is it that Eubank and Naz are remembered fondly for their confidence/arrogance, yet Haye gets an earful on here?

He cleaned up the Cruiserweights and moved up to win a belt, now he's trying to clean up the heavy's aswell.

I think Booth is too cute to take this fight without having seen something on Wlad.

My money's on Haye, I like the fact that he happily admits that if he took a big shot from Wlad on the chin, then he'd go down. I think he will be too fast though. People have questioned Hayes chin over the last couple of years, based on one loss years ago when both fighters took plenty of shots, Wlad's been down a hell of a lot more.

Just my opinion.

He didn't clean up the Cruiserweight devision. There was an IBF champion who was better than Enzo Mac, there were other condenters also.

Bit like saying Ray Leonard cleaned up the Middleweight devision in one fight in April, 1987.

[Bennyblanco]

I think haye came over quite well??? Wlad annoys the he'll out of me anyway. Hope haye sparks him clean out

[Andypittcov]

They'd done head-to-heads that same day FR, doubt it was 'a plan'.

lol fair enough Glyn, scratch that one but! somebody cooked up the idea could have been Dave but it may of been Sky?

More than likely Dave I reckon mate, I think Sky would have loved to have them on the stools together.

As an aside, did anyone else notice how damned straight Wlad's back was? Could have put a spirit level on it, incredible.

Yeah I have to admit I was admiring the back on him, I'd give my right arm for a posture like that, even during the staredowns he stood there like an effin oak tree.

[hurlock]

i think haye got mugged off & looked stupid being in the studio & complaining of spending too much time around wlad & not going onto the set & sit getting interviewed by ed robinson
he is looking like kevin & perry esq as wlad is playing the daddy/master inviting haye on & waving the magic hand