What is an RTD?

war_machine · Post by **war_machine** » 27 Jun 2005, 16:00

please do tell...

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 27 Jun 2005, 16:14

a distinction nor used in the usa despite what boxrec thinks

MattMan1998 · Post by **MattMan1998** » 27 Jun 2005, 16:30

It means the fighter retired.

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 27 Jun 2005, 17:22

Funny Tszyu vs Hatton isn't listed as an RTD...

MattMan1998 · Post by **MattMan1998** » 27 Jun 2005, 17:41

I think it is because the IBF rules dont use RTD, not all commissions and sanctions use it. If it was just a normal fight in England then it would have been called an RTD.

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 27 Jun 2005, 18:18

Although the USA only uses the TKO to signify 5 different types of stoppages;
RTD has been traditionally used internationally to signify a corner retirement between rounds.

Such a judgment may be made by the referee, ring physician, the fighter, or the fighter's seconds.
In some jurisdictions the round is noted as the concluding round (Time 3:00) while in others the preceding round when the bell rings. (Time 0:10)

It is not normally used in the USA although most commissions will use it in the remarks section of their boxing show results sheets.

The IBF is a registered organization in the USA; BoxRec is an International site.

Hope this helps.

aldo · Post by **aldo** » 28 Jun 2005, 00:23

In Uruguay RTD exists, still, and I do not know if in Brazil or Chile. And in Argentina, it existed up to 23/3/2001, when it changed by TKO

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 28 Jun 2005, 04:26

mattlilly wrote:If it was just a normal fight in England then it would have been called an RTD.

Tyson - McBride was ruled a TKO, but is listed as an RTD on boxrec.

MattMan1998 · Post by **MattMan1998** » 28 Jun 2005, 11:06

Tantum wrote:Tyson - McBride was ruled a TKO, but is listed as an RTD on boxrec.

Thats because for one the fight was in the US, where we hardly ever, if ever, use RTD. Also, it depends on whoever entered the result.

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 28 Jun 2005, 12:45

I know we never use RTD, that's what I'm saying...

Tszyu -Hatton was a retirement...

Tyson - McBride was a retirement...

In England they have retirement rulings, here they never have retirement rulings, why the biased standards for Mike Tyson?

MattMan1998 · Post by **MattMan1998** » 28 Jun 2005, 12:56

It all depends on who entered the result.

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 28 Jun 2005, 13:06

Boxrec is an online record book(one that's supposed to retain a factual integrity according to Johnshep and many head editors), which means the result you put in is the result that was ruled, and that result only.

Tyson - McBride was not ruled a RTD, and should not be entered as such.

"It all depends on who entered the result."

Results can be edited just as easily as they can be entered.

MattMan1998 · Post by **MattMan1998** » 28 Jun 2005, 13:52

Well to be honest, the person that changed it changes alot of things for no reason.....

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 28 Jun 2005, 16:07

The one and only Mr. GBO himself?

MattMan1998 · Post by **MattMan1998** » 28 Jun 2005, 16:09

Dont know who GBO is.

wsbuf · Post by **wsbuf** » 28 Jun 2005, 16:19

Tantum wrote:The one and only Mr. GBO himself?

I believe he is gone.

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 28 Jun 2005, 16:22

I thought so too, but he keeps coming back like Freddy Krueger, so who knows.

MTG · Post by **MTG** » 28 Jun 2005, 16:47

DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF ITS A RTD OR TKO?

M.T GILLICK

MattMan1998 · Post by **MattMan1998** » 28 Jun 2005, 17:31

To me it doesnt, I would prefer to use the TKO but that is only because that is what I have used forever lol.

Alex · Post by **Alex** » 29 Jun 2005, 04:55

I think it's an important distinction and worth knowing whether a fighter retired from a contest or if the fight was stopped by the ref.

barry · Post by **barry** » 29 Jun 2005, 10:02

Just as I said in the editor forum, I would rather that we just stick to the simple and universally recognized TKO and if there was a retirement in a fight then the editor entering the result can easily enter a comment in the comment field! There are so many people that have no clue what RTD means and it will be a question that is constantly popping up by visitors of the site.

I’m not sure when the stats RTD & RSF began being used, but I think that it was coined by the (UK) Boxing News weekly newspaper/magazine sometime after 1936. Boxing News began in 1909, but the earliest issues that I have are 1936 and in their “Weekly Record” section they were using the following match description stats: w.p., w.k., and w.s.. The earliest (UK) Boxing News Annual that I have is the 1947 issue and at this point they were now using w.ret and w.rsf, which is why I think that it was (UK) Boxing News that started it sometime between 1936 and 1947.

All Ring Record Books have always just used KO, for KO and TKO (except the 1986-87 edition, which does list TKOs). The Police Gazette and T.S. Andrews’s record books, which started around the turn of the century, did not use RTD, or RSF, nor did the Everlast record books of the 20s and 30s, nor the Post record books of the 30s. I don’t have any pre-1940 European record books, so I have no idea if they used the RTD and RSF, but I for one would be really interested to see exactly when the RTD and RSF first appeared.