Kell Brook next fight

[Counter-puncher]

That's a good gesture.Jon, you should accept it.I think you'd enjoy seeing the gym and watching them prepare.Always a good atmoshpere there, and a chat with Brendan is always entertaining and enlightening.It's a friendly and inspiring place to be, I found.

tell you what if he doesn't I'll happily take his place sometime

Pop in.Its a really friendly gym, and Brendan is a dead set legend!!

[Jon Saxon]

That's a good gesture.Jon, you should accept it.I think you'd enjoy seeing the gym and watching them prepare.Always a good atmoshpere there, and a chat with Brendan is always entertaining and enlightening.It's a friendly and inspiring place to be, I found.

tell you what if he doesn't I'll happily take his place sometime

Pop in.Its a really friendly gym, and Brendan is a dead set legend!!

I think Brendan seems like a lovely man.

[Jon Saxon]

Jon:

1) Tell me about all these 'holes' and we'll discuss it (again). If you look back (i think it was in this thread) i did actually try and counter some of your points in a constructive way but if you're really wanting to explore this put some points down and we'll have a debate

2) I'm gonna take you at your word that you are genuine (complete coincidence that you've emerged on this vicious anti-Kell tack shortly after Kell signed with Matchroom). Why dont you come up Sheffield for Kell v N'Dou fight, we'll meet up, I'll show you round the gym and introduce you to everyone. You can then see how we do things and why and then if you still think it's all complete bollocks then fair enough! What do you say?

Mate,

See my posts, Im not will to type this anymore, we ALL know the flaws.

I bet if you pressed someone like Glyn Leach you would get the same answer, the only differance being TACT, I.e I dont give a fuk as Im a fan, im not in this buisness.

now either accept my fair rational points or don't, however don't annoy me or i might just go out and buy the rights to a one of the UK boxing mags and print it every month or better get Bernard Hopkins to show you how it should be done (i.e. The Ring)

You mean the same The Ring magazine that rated Brendan one of the top ten trainers in the world?

You've not responded to my suggestion mate? Why not come up and have a look for yourself?

Dan mate that was ages ago they dont now, the consistencty isnt there (ala Roach, Steward,Clancy etc etc)
you don't get it do you? YES Brenden is a great at teaching his unique technique ("unique technique" lol that sounds like a dodgy caberet act from Pheonix nights) and it does work at WORLD level.
Just not where it counts at "ELITE" level

Mate i dont need to go to a gym to be a critic so thanks but no thanks for the invite, Im not really much of a fan of UK level boxing, I'm more into the pure glory of watching HBO with lamps, Merchant & co.
However should you think that tis makes me a chicken then thats your call, I mean lets face it, this is only a online forum, I'm a fan (albeit a very serious one) I have my opinions of which I would think are correct based on years of reading & listening to the elite, though you will disagree due to what i believe to be an impared judgement due to personal bias.

If you REALLY read bewteen the words in the end you will know that even though you might not like what i say OR (and this is probably the real reason) how I say it, ultimately you wil know that I'm right.

Peace, Love and passionate violent writing.

[Pugilist-specialist]

Brook turns down de la Hoya......

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/boxing/w ... _1_3389477

[danfoster]

Mate,

See my posts, Im not will to type this anymore, we ALL know the flaws.

I bet if you pressed someone like Glyn Leach you would get the same answer, the only differance being TACT, I.e I dont give a fuk as Im a fan, im not in this buisness.

now either accept my fair rational points or don't, however don't annoy me or i might just go out and buy the rights to a one of the UK boxing mags and print it every month or better get Bernard Hopkins to show you how it should be done (i.e. The Ring)

You mean the same The Ring magazine that rated Brendan one of the top ten trainers in the world?

You've not responded to my suggestion mate? Why not come up and have a look for yourself?

Dan mate that was ages ago they dont now, the consistencty isnt there (ala Roach, Steward,Clancy etc etc)
you don't get it do you? YES Brenden is a great at teaching his unique technique ("unique technique" lol that sounds like a dodgy caberet act from Pheonix nights) and it does work at WORLD level.
Just not where it counts at "ELITE" level

Mate i dont need to go to a gym to be a critic so thanks but no thanks for the invite, Im not really much of a fan of UK level boxing, I'm more into the pure glory of watching HBO with lamps, Merchant & co.
However should you think that tis makes me a chicken then thats your call, I mean lets face it, this is only a online forum, I'm a fan (albeit a very serious one) I have my opinions of which I would think are correct based on years of reading & listening to the elite, though you will disagree due to what i believe to be an impared judgement due to personal bias.

If you REALLY read bewteen the words in the end you will know that even though you might not like what i say OR (and this is probably the real reason) how I say it, ultimately you wil know that I'm right.

Peace, Love and passionate violent writing.

I don't think you're a chicken for not coming - it was an invitation, not a threat.

I do wonder, though, if the real reason you're not coming is that you are actually somebody other than just a pure punter. Could be wrong but it's just a feeling i get ...

[bigB]

You mean the same The Ring magazine that rated Brendan one of the top ten trainers in the world?

You've not responded to my suggestion mate? Why not come up and have a look for yourself?

Dan mate that was ages ago they dont now, the consistencty isnt there (ala Roach, Steward,Clancy etc etc)
you don't get it do you? YES Brenden is a great at teaching his unique technique ("unique technique" lol that sounds like a dodgy caberet act from Pheonix nights) and it does work at WORLD level.
Just not where it counts at "ELITE" level

Mate i dont need to go to a gym to be a critic so thanks but no thanks for the invite, Im not really much of a fan of UK level boxing, I'm more into the pure glory of watching HBO with lamps, Merchant & co.
However should you think that tis makes me a chicken then thats your call, I mean lets face it, this is only a online forum, I'm a fan (albeit a very serious one) I have my opinions of which I would think are correct based on years of reading & listening to the elite, though you will disagree due to what i believe to be an impared judgement due to personal bias.

If you REALLY read bewteen the words in the end you will know that even though you might not like what i say OR (and this is probably the real reason) how I say it, ultimately you wil know that I'm right.

Peace, Love and passionate violent writing.

I don't think you're a chicken for not coming - it was an invitation, not a threat.

I do wonder, though, if the real reason you're not coming is that you are actually somebody other than just a pure punter. Could be wrong but it's just a feeling i get ...

I agree.... very very odd that all he has pointed out is flaws with Ingle fighters and Kell, each to there own opinion, we agree to disagree, the style of fighter from this gym is exciting, thats just my feelings...

on the 25th when Brook stops N'dou then I think alot of people will be eating there words.

[Pugilist-specialist]

It appears to be easy to sit in the Scottish countryside, banging away on your laptop, abusing people, calling them liars and cowards.

To turn down an invitation doesn't automatically prove that Saxon is chicken.

[Pugilist-specialist]

DO YOU THINK THAT THE INGLE SYSTEM IS FLAWED?.[/b]


Cluck cluck cluck....

I think that about wraps it up, though.

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[Jon Saxon]

DO YOU THINK THAT THE INGLE SYSTEM IS FLAWED?.[/b]


Cluck cluck cluck....

I think that about wraps it up, though.

DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD DD

You never answered the question.

AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN

"DO YOU THINK THAT THE INGLE SYSTEM IS FLAWED?"

[bigB]

Nope, also Richard Towers is looking certain for the undercard

[Jon Saxon]

If you can't answer questions you shouldn't pose them.
How sad was your wee row of emoticons? what a child.

Pugilist- Specialist = forever 'owned'

[Jon Saxon]

You mean the same The Ring magazine that rated Brendan one of the top ten trainers in the world?

You've not responded to my suggestion mate? Why not come up and have a look for yourself?

Dan mate that was ages ago they dont now, the consistencty isnt there (ala Roach, Steward,Clancy etc etc)
you don't get it do you? YES Brenden is a great at teaching his unique technique ("unique technique" lol that sounds like a dodgy caberet act from Pheonix nights) and it does work at WORLD level.
Just not where it counts at "ELITE" level

Mate i dont need to go to a gym to be a critic so thanks but no thanks for the invite, Im not really much of a fan of UK level boxing, I'm more into the pure glory of watching HBO with lamps, Merchant & co.
However should you think that tis makes me a chicken then thats your call, I mean lets face it, this is only a online forum, I'm a fan (albeit a very serious one) I have my opinions of which I would think are correct based on years of reading & listening to the elite, though you will disagree due to what i believe to be an impared judgement due to personal bias.

If you REALLY read bewteen the words in the end you will know that even though you might not like what i say OR (and this is probably the real reason) how I say it, ultimately you wil know that I'm right.

Peace, Love and passionate violent writing.

I don't think you're a chicken for not coming - it was an invitation, not a threat.

I do wonder, though, if the real reason you're not coming is that you are actually somebody other than just a pure punter. Could be wrong but it's just a feeling i get ...

You are dead wrong, I mean what exactly are you implying?
For example I am a fan, nothing more nothing less and this fact only strengthens my very valid points.
I'm surprised that you didnt know that the people in the know knew about the flaws.
I am a fan who saw the flaws and commented as such.

Go on Dogpound I have been there 7 years to see who I am.

Tell you what I'm going to call you out on this..
why dont you publicly ask Bunce or Leach on this very forum If the ingle technique is flawed?

[danfoster]

Jon Saxon said:

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You are dead wrong, I mean what exactly are you implying?
For example I am a fan, nothing more nothing less and this fact only strengthens my very valid points.
I'm surprised that you didnt know that the people in the know knew about the flaws.
I am a fan who saw the flaws and commented as such.

Go on Dogpound I have been there 7 years to see who I am.

Tell you what I'm going to call you out on this..
why dont you publicly ask Bunce or Leach on this very forum If the ingle technique is flawed?
[/quote]

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Of course I am aware that people consider the Ingle system to be flawed. That isn't news to anyone! In fact it is so glaringly obvious i genuinely thought it beneath the merit of overt confirmation. The 'Ingle system' IS flawed because it is a style of fighting - which style of fighting doesn't have flaws?

All styles have pros and cons. I think - and many people agree, many people disagree - that it is an excellent style that in many cases has allowed fighters to massively overachieve. Setting opinions aside, i've already quoted facts ie champion after champion after champion. You blindly disregard these facts and seem to cite the fact that because neither Pacquao or Mayweather train at Wincobank then the style doesn’t work!

But the other question that you have ignored is ‘‘what do you mean when you refer to the ‘Ingle style?’’ Do you really think that when a kid who wants to learn boxing or even a pro who wants to train at the gym walks in Brendan marches straight up to them and says ‘get your hands by waist and your chin up, that’s better!’? Does he ‘eck! Brendan and Dominic work with a fighter’s natural style and seek to improve it through footwork, padwork, the ‘blows’ system and conditioning. All fighters bring and retain their natural style which is only ever refined.

All fighters from Wincobank have a different style. What unifies the better ones is excellent conditioning, excellent footwork, excellent infighting / defensive skills and usually an ability to switch styles easily through smooth footwork. A number of Ingle fighters also like a relaxed stance with their front hand loose, ready to whip up into a jab or uppercut. A bit like Carl Froch, David Haye and Floyd Mayweather. Are you on here slagging off their boxing styles? No. Which makes me think you have an agenda. Either that or you really are a very sad and obsessive man. I have tried to be constructive and have a proper debate with you but all you do is squeal ‘all trainers know your style is shit, ask Glyn Leach and Steve Bunce!’

As for your very gay ‘call out’ to me – well, it is ridiculous. I make a suggestion that we meet up and I’ll show you round the gym, you say ‘fornicate that, ask some reporters what they think’.

Leach and Bunce are very knowledgeable guys. So I am sure that they will agree that any gym that has trained (often from the age of 8 yrs old) Brian Anderson, Bomber Graham, Silky Jones, Ryan Rhodes, Johnny Nelson, Naseem Hamed, Junior Witter, Kell Brook, Danny McIntosh and many, many others that I simply do not time to mention must be doing something right.

Titles and champions are facts. Your references to backstage whispers by unnamed other british trainers (who are either fictional, ignorant or jealous) are opinions at best, bollocks at worst. I’d prefer to base my argument on facts so I’ll leave it at that.

[Rumpole]

Jon you don't half go on a bit. Quite amusing but totally lacking in thought and sound reasoning.

Question? How do you know that it is the Ingle style and technique which is flawed rather than any given boxer's ability to fully master it?

Irrespective of the technique taught the number of boxer's that can master it perfectly probably equates to zero.

According to your argument every golfer who is taught by a recognised pro must have a perfect golf swing or the techique is flawed. Nothing could be further from the truth. Equally, if your argument is correct, every boxer who is taught the textbook style of boxing by a good trainer will be a world champion, all other things being equal e.g. speed power timing. Rubbish. Very few boxers if any, can be expected to totally master any given technique and yes, it can be argued that most techniques have some flaws.

However, the passage of time and the unequalled results from any one boxing stable proves that the Ingle style, flaws included is a very successful style. The ability of the boxer to master the style and the other qualities required of a p4p world champion, power, speed, timing etc. is what ultimately determines the issue.

Judge Kell Brook at the end of this year after he has fought the credible opponents he has been craving to fight for the last 4 years.

[Jon Saxon]

Jon Saxon said:

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You are dead wrong, I mean what exactly are you implying?
For example I am a fan, nothing more nothing less and this fact only strengthens my very valid points.
I'm surprised that you didnt know that the people in the know knew about the flaws.
I am a fan who saw the flaws and commented as such.

Go on Dogpound I have been there 7 years to see who I am.

Tell you what I'm going to call you out on this..
why dont you publicly ask Bunce or Leach on this very forum If the ingle technique is flawed?

------------------------------------------

Of course I am aware that people consider the Ingle system to be flawed. That isn't news to anyone! In fact it is so glaringly obvious i genuinely thought it beneath the merit of overt confirmation. The 'Ingle system' IS flawed because it is a style of fighting - which style of fighting doesn't have flaws?

All styles have pros and cons. I think - and many people agree, many people disagree - that it is an excellent style that in many cases has allowed fighters to massively overachieve. Setting opinions aside, i've already quoted facts ie champion after champion after champion. You blindly disregard these facts and seem to cite the fact that because neither Pacquao or Mayweather train at Wincobank then the style doesn’t work!

But the other question that you have ignored is ‘‘what do you mean when you refer to the ‘Ingle style?’’ Do you really think that when a kid who wants to learn boxing or even a pro who wants to train at the gym walks in Brendan marches straight up to them and says ‘get your hands by waist and your chin up, that’s better!’? Does he ‘eck! Brendan and Dominic work with a fighter’s natural style and seek to improve it through footwork, padwork, the ‘blows’ system and conditioning. All fighters bring and retain their natural style which is only ever refined.

All fighters from Wincobank have a different style. What unifies the better ones is excellent conditioning, excellent footwork, excellent infighting / defensive skills and usually an ability to switch styles easily through smooth footwork. A number of Ingle fighters also like a relaxed stance with their front hand loose, ready to whip up into a jab or uppercut. A bit like Carl Froch, David Haye and Floyd Mayweather. Are you on here slagging off their boxing styles? No. Which makes me think you have an agenda. Either that or you really are a very sad and obsessive man. I have tried to be constructive and have a proper debate with you but all you do is squeal ‘all trainers know your style is shit, ask Glyn Leach and Steve Bunce!’

As for your very gay ‘call out’ to me – well, it is ridiculous. I make a suggestion that we meet up and I’ll show you round the gym, you say ‘eff that, ask some reporters what they think’.

Leach and Bunce are very knowledgeable guys. So I am sure that they will agree that any gym that has trained (often from the age of 8 yrs old) Brian Anderson, Bomber Graham, Silky Jones, Ryan Rhodes, Johnny Nelson, Naseem Hamed, Junior Witter, Kell Brook, Danny McIntosh and many, many others that I simply do not time to mention must be doing something right.

Titles and champions are facts. Your references to backstage whispers by unnamed other british trainers (who are either fictional, ignorant or jealous) are opinions at best, bollocks at worst. I’d prefer to base my argument on facts so I’ll leave it at that.[/quote]



Sorry Dan the post wasnt meant for you it was for 'PS'

When I refer to "the ingle style" of course im talking about the style that everyone also talks about (Hands down chin up as employed by Graham, Naz, Witter, Nelson etc etc..)
Does that answer your question? what was the other one that I missed?

BTW Whats wrong with being "gay"?? what are you trying to say?

[Jon Saxon]

Jon Saxon said:

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You are dead wrong, I mean what exactly are you implying?
For example I am a fan, nothing more nothing less and this fact only strengthens my very valid points.
I'm surprised that you didnt know that the people in the know knew about the flaws.
I am a fan who saw the flaws and commented as such.

Go on Dogpound I have been there 7 years to see who I am.

Tell you what I'm going to call you out on this..
why dont you publicly ask Bunce or Leach on this very forum If the ingle technique is flawed?

------------------------------------------

Of course I am aware that people consider the Ingle system to be flawed. That isn't news to anyone! In fact it is so glaringly obvious i genuinely thought it beneath the merit of overt confirmation. The 'Ingle system' IS flawed because it is a style of fighting - which style of fighting doesn't have flaws?

All styles have pros and cons. I think - and many people agree, many people disagree - that it is an excellent style that in many cases has allowed fighters to massively overachieve. Setting opinions aside, i've already quoted facts ie champion after champion after champion. You blindly disregard these facts and seem to cite the fact that because neither Pacquao or Mayweather train at Wincobank then the style doesn’t work!

But the other question that you have ignored is ‘‘what do you mean when you refer to the ‘Ingle style?’’ Do you really think that when a kid who wants to learn boxing or even a pro who wants to train at the gym walks in Brendan marches straight up to them and says ‘get your hands by waist and your chin up, that’s better!’? Does he ‘eck! Brendan and Dominic work with a fighter’s natural style and seek to improve it through footwork, padwork, the ‘blows’ system and conditioning. All fighters bring and retain their natural style which is only ever refined.

All fighters from Wincobank have a different style. What unifies the better ones is excellent conditioning, excellent footwork, excellent infighting / defensive skills and usually an ability to switch styles easily through smooth footwork. A number of Ingle fighters also like a relaxed stance with their front hand loose, ready to whip up into a jab or uppercut. A bit like Carl Froch, David Haye and Floyd Mayweather. Are you on here slagging off their boxing styles? No. Which makes me think you have an agenda. Either that or you really are a very sad and obsessive man. I have tried to be constructive and have a proper debate with you but all you do is squeal ‘all trainers know your style is shit, ask Glyn Leach and Steve Bunce!’

As for your very gay ‘call out’ to me – well, it is ridiculous. I make a suggestion that we meet up and I’ll show you round the gym, you say ‘eff that, ask some reporters what they think’.

Leach and Bunce are very knowledgeable guys. So I am sure that they will agree that any gym that has trained (often from the age of 8 yrs old) Brian Anderson, Bomber Graham, Silky Jones, Ryan Rhodes, Johnny Nelson, Naseem Hamed, Junior Witter, Kell Brook, Danny McIntosh and many, many others that I simply do not time to mention must be doing something right.

Titles and champions are facts. Your references to backstage whispers by unnamed other british trainers (who are either fictional, ignorant or jealous) are opinions at best, bollocks at worst. I’d prefer to base my argument on facts so I’ll leave it at that.[/quote]

Sorry Dan the post wasnt meant for you it was for 'PS'

When I refer to "the ingle style" of course im talking about the style that everyone also talks about (Hands down chin up as employed by Graham, Naz, Witter, Nelson etc etc..)
Does that answer your question? what was the other one that I missed?

BTW Whats wrong with being "gay"?? what are you trying to say?

[Jon Saxon]

Question? How do you know that it is the Ingle style and technique which is flawed rather than any given boxer's ability to fully master it?

What a great quote and I believe that you might be right, I say MIGHT be right...

However show me ONE Ingle fighter who did


BTW I know exactly what I write and why I write it, your wordings might be slightly more eloquent than my clipped and measured phrases, my directness is my style

Please don't try to imply that there is a lack of rational to my writings old bean, I find this to be a somewhat flaccid & cheap shot and this simply isn't shuttlecock..in fact it's just not shuttlecock at all.

[Rumpole]

Question? How do you know that it is the Ingle style and technique which is flawed rather than any given boxer's ability to fully master it?

What a great quote and I believe that you might be right, I say MIGHT be right...

However show me ONE Ingle fighter who did


BTW I know exactly what I write and why I write it, your wordings might be slightly more eloquent than my clipped and measured phrases, my directness is my style


Please don't try to imply that there is a lack of rational to my writings old bean, I find this to be a somewhat flaccid & cheap shot and this simply isn't shuttlecock..in fact it's just not shuttlecock at all.

To reply in the vernacular Jon. It may not be cock but it could be a load of balls.

Nice talking to you though, I find your posts highly amusing, not particularly offensive to anyone and the slapstick with your critics good reading.

Do give Kell a chance though and when he has fought decent opposition give us all your honest views then

[Jon Saxon]

Question? How do you know that it is the Ingle style and technique which is flawed rather than any given boxer's ability to fully master it?

What a great quote and I believe that you might be right, I say MIGHT be right...

However show me ONE Ingle fighter who did


BTW I know exactly what I write and why I write it, your wordings might be slightly more eloquent than my clipped and measured phrases, my directness is my style


Please don't try to imply that there is a lack of rational to my writings old bean, I find this to be a somewhat flaccid & cheap shot and this simply isn't shuttlecock..in fact it's just not shuttlecock at all.

To reply in the vernacular Jon. It may not be cock but it could be a load of balls.

Nice talking to you though, I find your posts highly amusing, not particularly offensive to anyone and the slapstick with your critics good reading.

Do give Kell a chance though and when he has fought decent opposition give us all your honest views then

Mate I'm not here to offend anyone, I just have an opinion, I mean no real personal offence to anyone.
I had a feeling that the other geezers thought i was some kind of 'mole' which i thought was funny but also very paranoid.

I hope Brook does well I really do but when he loses (and it wont be to N'dou who is shot) it will be because he got caught vold.

And yes i will be on here telling you all I told you so