Bellew comes in fighting...

[orbtastic]

@apophenic yes i was there mate,what i didn't like was the way tony jumped up and went for clev when in fact he should of been thanking clev for the chance to fight for the title, i agree they were both to blame but it's not the first time tony has done that sort of thing, i make no secret that im a clev fan and if he boxed tony i'd want him to win,that dont mean that i dont like tony as a boxer,for me tony will never dominate at world level but imo i think clev will, i'd also like tony to put his side of the story across on why he thought he needed to walk in all guns blazing at a press confrerence ???

The rivalry didn't start at the presser, it's been going on for ages. Why on earth would he walk in friendly with Clev when there is a lot of previous??

Get with it mate.

because as a boxer you should do all your talking in the ring and all boxers get told that they should conduct thereself in a professional manor at all times it's in the rule book mate

Seem to recall your brother doing all the slit throat stuff with Calzaghe when he fought Mark?

[Counter-puncher]

^^^ he never struck me as a shrinking violet, good point

*awaits an 'ahh but that was a friendly throat-slitting gesture' response*

[Chris W 1982]

Chances are Ovill will KO him and the fight will never happen and rightly so

You still not got over Bellew ruining Wayne Brooks on that bitterly cold winters night in Bolton?

Tony did a great job on that cold winters night mate, shame he has let himself down really by acting like a thug, he also once told Harri Miles to stop trying to make a career off the back of his name, Oh the Irony

FYI Wayne fell off a roof and injured his back, he still said though that Tonys body punch on that cold evening was harder than the fall

So Bellew is making a career of Cleverly's name???? You really are out of tune with this one arent you?

In one heated exchange yesterday, Bellew became an internet sensation and had numerous social networking sites buzzing his name. He's an equal player in this rivalry and it's become a fight that everyone wants to see.

"thug"?????? Nathan made the first threat by suggesting him and Bellew go outside, his actions brought an offensive reaction from Bellew so you need to look a little closer to home if you want to start handing out such unfounded insults.

[taffytoon]

You still not got over Bellew ruining Wayne Brooks on that bitterly cold winters night in Bolton?

Tony did a great job on that cold winters night mate, shame he has let himself down really by acting like a thug, he also once told Harri Miles to stop trying to make a career off the back of his name, Oh the Irony

FYI Wayne fell off a roof and injured his back, he still said though that Tonys body punch on that cold evening was harder than the fall

So Bellew is making a career of Cleverly's name???? You really are out of tune with this one arent you?

In one heated exchange yesterday, Bellew became an internet sensation and had numerous social networking sites buzzing his name. He's an equal player in this rivalry and it's become a fight that everyone wants to see.

"thug"?????? Nathan made the first threat by suggesting him and Bellew go outside, his actions brought an offensive reaction from Bellew so you need to look a little closer to home if you want to start handing out such unfounded insults.

Answer to your question -
Yes
Internet sensation
Equal player? No, nowhere near the same level and boxing is all about levels.
Nathan was asked a question and answered it honestly, Brahemer is a much better boxer and hits harder than Tony and once again Tony starts talking nonsense all over Cleverly whilst he is answering a question posed to him. He then goes on to say he is going to put Nathan in an ambulance What was he going to do, wait outside and run him over?

Unfounded insults Again the irony is wasted on you


I will still stay polite so thanks for your input and have a great day, we will agree to disagree

[mickey1975]

Since when has Cleverley being a world class boxer been undisputed fact? I take it it is since he beat Murat. That performance showed Nathan has a lot to learn imo. Pascal, Dawson, Cloud and Hopkins are the top boys in this division, that is beyond doubt. If the Bellew fight happens under normal circumstances, i would make Nathan a favourite, but no more than i make DeGale over Groves. Tony is getting a lot of stick after the McKenzie fight but the guy can crack. He put Terry Dunstan down on his way to winning the Cruiserweight Prizefighter. I have nothing against Nathan but feel i must have missed something. The last time i saw him he was crap against a limited fighter.

[jBacca]

Tony did a great job on that cold winters night mate, shame he has let himself down really by acting like a thug, he also once told Harri Miles to stop trying to make a career off the back of his name, Oh the Irony

FYI Wayne fell off a roof and injured his back, he still said though that Tonys body punch on that cold evening was harder than the fall

So Bellew is making a career of Cleverly's name???? You really are out of tune with this one arent you?

In one heated exchange yesterday, Bellew became an internet sensation and had numerous social networking sites buzzing his name. He's an equal player in this rivalry and it's become a fight that everyone wants to see.

"thug"?????? Nathan made the first threat by suggesting him and Bellew go outside, his actions brought an offensive reaction from Bellew so you need to look a little closer to home if you want to start handing out such unfounded insults.

Answer to your question -
Yes
Internet sensation
Equal player? No, nowhere near the same level and boxing is all about levels.
Nathan was asked a question and answered it honestly, Brahemer is a much better boxer and hits harder than Tony and once again Tony starts talking nonsense all over Cleverly whilst he is answering a question posed to him. He then goes on to say he is going to put Nathan in an ambulance What was he going to do, wait outside and run him over?

Unfounded insults Again the irony is wasted on you


I will still stay polite so thanks for your input and have a great day, we will agree to disagree

He says he'll put him in an ambulance after Clev said he'd give him a free shot on his chin.

I'm not pointing any blame here because I don't think anything was out of order, but to say Bomber was the sole entity in the 'perceived' thuggery, is ludicrous.

[taffytoon]

No fire without fuel I agree, but it started when Tony said he hit harder than the German, Clev was pointing out he doesn't.

I now refuse to give any more replies on TB as it is getting silly, the English will be happy because as usual you lot can have your say and HATE any other input. Enjoy the glory boys but this "Boyyo" "sheep shagger" and many other PM insults has had enough of the "Fans"

Have a great rest of forum time


Polite to the last D




Taffytoon

PS

Tony the bet is still on if you want it, send me a PM (You know I am good for the money should you win D ) But I have had it with the forum.

[forcefraser]

No fire without fuel I agree, but it started when Tony said he hit harder than the German, Clev was pointing out he doesn't.

I now refuse to give any more replies on TB as it is getting silly, the English will be happy because as usual you lot can have your say and HATE any other input. Enjoy the glory boys but this "Boyyo" "sheep shagger" and many other PM insults has had enough of the "Fans"

Have a great rest of forum time


Polite to the last D




Taffytoon

PS

Tony the bet is still on if you want it, send me a PM (You know I am good for the money should you win D ) But I have had it with the forum.

Please please please please don`t leave us............

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

No fire without fuel I agree, but it started when Tony said he hit harder than the German, Clev was pointing out he doesn't.

I now refuse to give any more replies on TB as it is getting silly, the English will be happy because as usual you lot can have your say and HATE any other input. Enjoy the glory boys but this "Boyyo" "sheep shagger" and many other PM insults has had enough of the "Fans"

Have a great rest of forum time


Polite to the last D




Taffytoon

PS

Tony the bet is still on if you want it, send me a PM (You know I am good for the money should you win D ) But I have had it with the forum.

Please don't go!
:(

[NazNaci1]

Hmmm, ironic to the last.

This guy started a new account with the name FatFly and made a deliberate derogatory post about Bellow at 6am in the morning Or the Orvil McKenzie thread, solely done to flame Tony, again.

And now he gets offended, well excuse fvcking me. People like this, who can dish it out but cant take need to either step up or piss off imo.

Looks like he has down the latter, which is not a bad thing.

[jamesmcdonnell]

today i thought bellew came across as a thug and someone that isn't to bright, boxing is a sport of gentlemen and to be a good fighter you need to have a good brain bellew didn't show that today, i think that the way he acted the board should fine him. what would happen if he did land a punch to clev and clev ended up in hospital, for me bellew needs to calm down because if he ever gets that fight with clev and gets sparked (which could happen) he's gonna look a right d^*k,
if he acted like that on the street he'll end up in a lot of trouble and trust me i know about what happends to boxers fighting on the street.

Put your tampon in ye' divvy.

Clev offered Tony out and he responded. They were both at it and hardly crossed the line. It's not like it never happens.

Mate this is boxing, not a knitting circle. They are fighters, fighters fight, fighters get aggressive, it's in the nature of a boxer.

This doesn't bring boxing into disrepute in my opinion, it's what people expect to happen from time to time.



It's not like it never happens = it shouldn't happen should it, they are professional sportsmen. i know clev offered tony out but the way he reacted he just mugged himself off

[taffytoon]

Hmmm, ironic to the last.

This guy started a new account with the name FatFly and made a deliberate derogatory post about Bellow at 6am in the morning Or the Orvil McKenzie thread, solely done to flame Tony, again.

And now he gets offended, well excuse fvcking me. People like this, who can dish it out but cant take need to either step up or piss off imo.

Looks like he has down the latter, which is not a bad thing.

Seeming as this is a direct insult to me I will reply, You sir as a LIER I am POSSITIVE that the site admin can confirm I am NOT FatFly If I have anything to say I will say it as myself to your face as I have proved time and time again. You are a FOOL and have shown your true colours as an idiotic lier.

To The Law

Can you please confirm that I am NOT FatFly?

[NazNaci1]

I thought you stopped posting?

Regardless you have been posting like a loon on this subject and then at the peak of your frustrations, you create an Orvil McKenzie thread. Designed, with no other intention other than to wind up Tony and his fans. I wouldn't mind but I am not even a scouser or from that part of the world.

I just see a guy acting like a complete tool, getting irate, stupid and ridiculus with his posts and threads with no other intention other than to wind people up.

Either shut up or learn to accept that people can actually have a different view point to you. You don't need to resort to the 'Clev will spark him..', 'Tony is getting KTFO...'etc crap. You did and it was disrespectful.

[Chris W 1982]

Taffy, are you joking when you say Nathan is on another level? What level is that??????

He falls considerably short of the elite names at 175lb and his best performance was against Karo Murat.

I suppose wins over Courtney Fry and Billy Boyle have put him on this cherished level you constantly refer to????

You'll never get me aiming insults at you, your an intelligent poster who knows the sport well but i think your well off the mark with some of your observations regarding Bellew/Cleverly

[Tommy Gunn13]

Taffy, are you joking when you say Nathan is on another level? What level is that??????

He falls considerably short of the elite names at 175lb and his best performance was against Karo Murat.

I suppose wins over Courtney Fry and Billy Boyle have put him on this cherished level you constantly refer to????

You'll never get me aiming insults at you, your an intelligent poster who knows the sport well but i think your well off the mark with some of your observations regarding Bellew/Cleverly

Whatever way you look at it Chris,Cleverly is a few levels ahead of Bellew at this time...Id back him against Bomber if they had the same notice...Bomber should concentrate at his level for this year,Mckenzie,Mcintosh&maybe a euro shot at the end of the year if he stays unbeaten...I like Bomber,hes a exciting fighter&with his mouth he can sell snow to an eskimo,but world class,..NOT ON YOUR NELLY!!

[taffytoon]

I will stop posting but I will not have someone like you question my integrity, and for the record I am originaly from the North East so the Welsh jokes really are wasted on me. You are once again incorrect regarding the Ovill post, I said in the past I thought he could beat Tony and I still do. This forum has a pack mentality and you are one of the pack, I will always defend my corner and it is usually alone. I will state again, you are a LIER and have shown your true colours I hope the site admin will concure that you statement is a blatent lie and I have never posted anything on this forum as anyone other than Tafftoon. This then will demure any future posts you make as factual as everyone will know you are a Lier.

This seriously is the last post I will make on this forum but will stay polite

To the rest of you, I have enjoyed the banter, a difference of opinion is always good. A lot of what I have written was typed tongue in cheek as an awful lot of you know.



For the record I do have a lot of respect for Tony Bellew but I truely beleive he has reached his level, if he did fight Nathan Cleverly this Saturday at light heavyweight he would have been hurt "In my opinion".

To come into a fight after losing nearly 2 stone was dangerous especially if you saw the condition Clev was in at the weigh-in. The fight may happen further down the line and if Tony does beat Clev I will openly bow down to him, lets hope the rest of you do the same if he loses.

Good luck in the future

[NazNaci1]

I am not a liar mate. I just voice my opinion as it is. If you agree fine, if you don't, fine.

You acted like a prick, so trying to deflect it onto me and make yourself look good doesn't wash. For the record I wouldn't PM you with insults, if your acting like a cock, I will say that, out in the open.

Some posters, who know me, know that if I get something wrong I will say so or apologise. You don't deserve either, imo, as you were bang out of order and if Tony B wasn't such a gent, the next time he saw you he should really twat you for all the crap you posted about him, not make a bet, seriously.

Integrity, yeah ok mate, whatever. This is an internet forum, act reasonable and ppl will react in kind.

[rhino222]

Yes Nathan would have taken the fight It is for the world title, the winner of this (Nathan Cleverly) will go on to much bigger and better things, Tony will lick his wounds and carry on with his career.

you are not biased are you??

[mickey1975]

Taffy, are you joking when you say Nathan is on another level? What level is that??????

He falls considerably short of the elite names at 175lb and his best performance was against Karo Murat.

I suppose wins over Courtney Fry and Billy Boyle have put him on this cherished level you constantly refer to????

You'll never get me aiming insults at you, your an intelligent poster who knows the sport well but i think your well off the mark with some of your observations regarding Bellew/Cleverly

Whatever way you look at it Chris,Cleverly is a few levels ahead of Bellew at this time...Id back him against Bomber if they had the same notice...Bomber should concentrate at his level for this year,Mckenzie,Mcintosh&maybe a euro shot at the end of the year if he stays unbeaten...I like Bomber,hes a exciting fighter&with his mouth he can sell snow to an eskimo,but world class,..NOT ON YOUR NELLY!!

Well Bellew is Commonwealth champ so presumably Commonwealth 'level'. Nathan prooved with his win over Murat he is European but not sure what the few levels are in between. We are not casuals on here, we are all aware Nathan's about as much a genuine World champion as Bellew is at the moment. Or likely to be...

[palooka]

Sorry for being cynical but Haye and Harrison hated each other = PPV.

Degale and Groves hate each other = PPV.

Haye and Klitscho hate each other = PPV.

Cleverly and Bellew hate each other = future PPV.


Is this the way PPV boxing in britain is going to go? I am going to start watching WWE Wrestling again.

You make a good point

[Tommy Gunn13]

Taffy, are you joking when you say Nathan is on another level? What level is that??????

He falls considerably short of the elite names at 175lb and his best performance was against Karo Murat.

I suppose wins over Courtney Fry and Billy Boyle have put him on this cherished level you constantly refer to????

You'll never get me aiming insults at you, your an intelligent poster who knows the sport well but i think your well off the mark with some of your observations regarding Bellew/Cleverly

Whatever way you look at it Chris,Cleverly is a few levels ahead of Bellew at this time...Id back him against Bomber if they had the same notice...Bomber should concentrate at his level for this year,Mckenzie,Mcintosh&maybe a euro shot at the end of the year if he stays unbeaten...I like Bomber,hes a exciting fighter&with his mouth he can sell snow to an eskimo,but world class,..NOT ON YOUR NELLY!!

Well Bellew is Commonwealth champ so presumably Commonwealth 'level'. Nathan prooved with his win over Murat he is European but not sure what the few levels are in between. We are not casuals on here, we are all aware Nathan's about as much a genuine World champion as Bellew is at the moment. Or likely to be...

Well yes both will come up short against your Pascals,Clouds&Dawsons of this world...The commenwealth belt is worthless look who Bellew fought when he won the title....He will only ever have a punchers chance against Cleverly...We shall see where Bomber is going after the 3fights i mentioned for this year,surely that will be the way he will go?

[jamesmcdonnell]

Taffy, are you joking when you say Nathan is on another level? What level is that??????

He falls considerably short of the elite names at 175lb and his best performance was against Karo Murat.

I suppose wins over Courtney Fry and Billy Boyle have put him on this cherished level you constantly refer to????

You'll never get me aiming insults at you, your an intelligent poster who knows the sport well but i think your well off the mark with some of your observations regarding Bellew/Cleverly

Whatever way you look at it Chris,Cleverly is a few levels ahead of Bellew at this time...Id back him against Bomber if they had the same notice...Bomber should concentrate at his level for this year,Mckenzie,Mcintosh&maybe a euro shot at the end of the year if he stays unbeaten...I like Bomber,hes a exciting fighter&with his mouth he can sell snow to an eskimo,but world class,..NOT ON YOUR NELLY!!

Well Bellew is Commonwealth champ so presumably Commonwealth 'level'. Nathan prooved with his win over Murat he is European but not sure what the few levels are in between. We are not casuals on here, we are all aware Nathan's about as much a genuine World champion as Bellew is at the moment. Or likely to be...

The commonwealth belt is about as hotly contested as werther's originals paedophile of the year awards.

[palooka]

Whatever way you look at it Chris,Cleverly is a few levels ahead of Bellew at this time...Id back him against Bomber if they had the same notice...Bomber should concentrate at his level for this year,Mckenzie,Mcintosh&maybe a euro shot at the end of the year if he stays unbeaten...I like Bomber,hes a exciting fighter&with his mouth he can sell snow to an eskimo,but world class,..NOT ON YOUR NELLY!!

Well Bellew is Commonwealth champ so presumably Commonwealth 'level'. Nathan prooved with his win over Murat he is European but not sure what the few levels are in between. We are not casuals on here, we are all aware Nathan's about as much a genuine World champion as Bellew is at the moment. Or likely to be...

The commonwealth belt is about as hotly contested as werther's originals paedophile of the year awards.

I worked hard for my title and I don't like it when people diss my achievements.

[Darcy Delaney]

The rivalry didn't start at the presser, it's been going on for ages. Why on earth would he walk in friendly with Clev when there is a lot of previous??

Get with it mate.

because as a boxer you should do all your talking in the ring and all boxers get told that they should conduct thereself in a professional manor at all times it's in the rule book mate

Seem to recall your brother doing all the slit throat stuff with Calzaghe when he fought Mark?

Calzaghe said that just to sell books mate