maninthemiddle wrote:As I hope you noticed, Howard did another terrific job reffing Degale/Groves. He's going nowhere.
Top ref. Anyone who knows anything about the game rate him at the very top.
Mr Pegg has a habit of moaning about outrageous stoppages, only to find quite a few people disagree. Surely if it was outrageous you would struggle to find a dissenting voice.....
So have you found all these times iv made a habit out of moaning about outrageous stoppages where quite a few people disagree???
Just one point here how come if people moan about boxers but when asked if theyv boxed themselves everybody says you dont have to have boxed to have an opinion (which i agree with. But when someone has the gall to mention any critism to a referee we keep getting people saying if you want to talk about referees apply to be one. Why is it peoples rights to critisize boxers with no prior experiance but refs you have to be one to be able to give an opinion on them?
Deno1986 wrote:A lot of the negative comments in this thread about Howard Foster leave a bad taste. He is just another man trying to do his job to the best of his ability, a job that at the end of the day is about protecting fighters safety and essentially their lives. With video replays and hindsight we all like to think we know best but a referee has a split second to make a decision. Regarding the stoppage itself, I really don't see what the fuss is about, Maxwell's head was badly snapped back and with Foster standing feet away I'm sure it looked a lot worse plus his legs appeared to buckle. If the fight had of carried on five more seconds Maxwell would have taken more shots to that effect and it more than likely would have been deemed a late stoppage so it was a good call in my opinion regardless of what had happened in the previous few minutes. Leave the referees do their jobs and if you think you know better, approach the BBBofC about training to be a ref.
Deano Great Post. Howard One Of The Best In The World. These Internet Referees Should Get In Touch With Boxing Board Of Control. Adios
Is Bunce now posting as Yogi Bear or have I made a Boo Boo? :)
One of the worst decisions ive seen is when Rocky Dean beat up isaac ward up in darlington! Foster gave it a draw! Couldnt belive it, nor could anyone in the hall (including wards supporters) really good fight and ward was a very tough fighter but Rocky did win every round! Howard foster is a shit ref!
maninthemiddle wrote:As I hope you noticed, Howard did another terrific job reffing Degale/Groves. He's going nowhere.
Top ref. Anyone who knows anything about the game rate him at the very top.
Mr Pegg has a habit of moaning about outrageous stoppages, only to find quite a few people disagree. Surely if it was outrageous you would struggle to find a dissenting voice.....
So have you found all these times iv made a habit out of moaning about outrageous stoppages where quite a few people disagree???
Just one point here how come if people moan about boxers but when asked if they boxed themselves everybody says you dont have to have boxed to have an opinion (which i agree with. But when someone has the gall to mention any critism to a referee we keep getting people saying if you want to talk about referees apply to be one. Why is it peoples rights to critisize boxers with no prior experiance but refs you have to be one to be able to give an opinion on them?
Most if not all posts about boxers are just opinions on how they have fought, the remarks made about refs bring corruption into it, the amount of people who have conspiricy theories and accusations of corruptness is a joke. People make mistakes full stop.
jonp is right about the standing count, there are no standing counts in pro boxing, why Mr Foster did this is strange but not corrupt and certainly not just in calling him a utter f**kin clown surely? In total Doran got 16 seconds of extra time to recover from the shot and that ultimately helped him no doubt win the fight.
Corrupt reffing - no
Biased -I don't think so
Mistake - yes
Utter f**king clown - No way
I think lets give the guy a break now I'm sure the board are dealing with the case for jonp and Max and howard will have to answere to them. It will be a great shame if we lose a good ref like him for this so called mistake. As for the Rocky Dean Issac Ward fight how long ago was this? I'm sure theres been greater scoring travesties than this and find it irrelevant.
Let draw a line here Howard foster is the reff i rate and respect most in this country .
Do i think he made a mistake regarding the count yes i do it was a genuine mistake but a mistake all the same and this is the reason i thought max warrents a rematch.
Was the stoppage early i thought it was a lot of people thought it was ,some people thought it wasnt im not going to go on about it too much as id rather have an early stoppage than a late.
The reason i think a rematch is warrented was the mistake on the knockdown and thats what it was a genuine mistake that we could all make no corruption no bias a mistake thats all.But still could of cost max the match so lets give him the rematch and put this too bed.
And for the record if i had to pick a ref for the rematch it would be Howard Foster
jonp wrote:Let draw a line here Howard foster is the reff i rate and respect most in this country .
Do i think he made a mistake regarding the count yes i do it was a genuine mistake but a mistake all the same and this is the reason i thought max warrents a rematch.
Was the stoppage early i thought it was a lot of people thought it was ,some people thought it wasnt im not going to go on about it too much as id rather have an early stoppage than a late.
The reason i think a rematch is warrented was the mistake on the knockdown and thats what it was a genuine mistake that we could all make no corruption no bias a mistake thats all.But still could of cost max the match so lets give him the rematch and put this too bed.
And for the record if i had to pick a ref for the rematch it would be Howard Foster
Can't even be arsed to read this thread. Howard is a top ref. But having read Max's interview with Mr Dobbing, thought I'd take a little look.
Read the above post and that's enough for me. Classy pair are Jon and Max.
jonp wrote:Let draw a line here Howard foster is the reff i rate and respect most in this country .
Do i think he made a mistake regarding the count yes i do it was a genuine mistake but a mistake all the same and this is the reason i thought max warrents a rematch.
Was the stoppage early i thought it was a lot of people thought it was ,some people thought it wasnt im not going to go on about it too much as id rather have an early stoppage than a late.
The reason i think a rematch is warrented was the mistake on the knockdown and thats what it was a genuine mistake that we could all make no corruption no bias a mistake thats all.But still could of cost max the match so lets give him the rematch and put this too bed.
And for the record if i had to pick a ref for the rematch it would be Howard Foster
Can't even be arsed to read this thread. Howard is a top ref. But having read Max's interview with Mr Dobbing, thought I'd take a little look.
Read the above post and that's enough for me. Classy pair are Jon and Max.
exactly mate, although i will admit i am biased they're two of the good guys without a doubt
jonp wrote:Let draw a line here Howard foster is the reff i rate and respect most in this country .
Do i think he made a mistake regarding the count yes i do it was a genuine mistake but a mistake all the same and this is the reason i thought max warrents a rematch.
Was the stoppage early i thought it was a lot of people thought it was ,some people thought it wasnt im not going to go on about it too much as id rather have an early stoppage than a late.
The reason i think a rematch is warrented was the mistake on the knockdown and thats what it was a genuine mistake that we could all make no corruption no bias a mistake thats all.But still could of cost max the match so lets give him the rematch and put this too bed.
And for the record if i had to pick a ref for the rematch it would be Howard Foster
Can't even be arsed to read this thread. Howard is a top ref. But having read Max's interview with Mr Dobbing, thought I'd take a little look.
Read the above post and that's enough for me. Classy pair are Jon and Max.
X2 both come across well on this, as Jon and max said, Howard made a mistake in their eyes but is still a top referee, I would rate Howard and Richie Davies, as our top two ref`s, but there has been some poor comments on this thread, the title its self is in bad taste.
As a boxer, and been reffed by howard, I would rate him as a very good referee. Ive never had a complaint or fault to pick. There are lots of other refs who i could pick fault with thou, but howards isnt one of them. genuine referee. that is all. (the defence).
tucker.
Don't want to get into a tit for tat with you Jon but your initial post was all about the stoppage and made no mention of the standing eight count. (You refer to your second post in your reply)
At the end of the day its all about opinions and were obviously on different sides of the fence. To be honest I haven't a problem with your opinion it was more the level that this had been set at.
It wasn't outrageous, it may have been "debatable". Last time I looked i didn't have a red nose so the clown quote is a bit out of order just for having an opinion that was different to yours.
No reply necessary, PM me if you like but to be honest I would prefer this thread to drop off the top page after hopefully clearing the air.
maninthemiddle wrote:Don't want to get into a tit for tat with you Jon but your initial post was all about the stoppage and made no mention of the standing eight count. (You refer to your second post in your reply)
At the end of the day its all about opinions and were obviously on different sides of the fence. To be honest I haven't a problem with your opinion it was more the level that this had been set at.
It wasn't outrageous, it may have been "debatable". Last time I looked i didn't have a red nose so the clown quote is a bit out of order just for having an opinion that was different to yours.
No reply necessary, PM me if you like but to be honest I would prefer this thread to drop off the top page after hopefully clearing the air.
The most important aspect of your role is to step in to keep the boxers safe. Sometimes this means that a bout gets halted a punch or 2 early; that's better than 2 punches late. You did that here so there shouldn't be any name calling.
No one can please everybody and just about every referee and judge gets slated every other season.
maninthemiddle wrote:Don't want to get into a tit for tat with you Jon but your initial post was all about the stoppage and made no mention of the standing eight count. (You refer to your second post in your reply)
At the end of the day its all about opinions and were obviously on different sides of the fence. To be honest I haven't a problem with your opinion it was more the level that this had been set at.
It wasn't outrageous, it may have been "debatable". Last time I looked i didn't have a red nose so the clown quote is a bit out of order just for having an opinion that was different to yours.
No reply necessary, PM me if you like but to be honest I would prefer this thread to drop off the top page after hopefully clearing the air.
The most important aspect of your role is to step in to keep the boxers safe. Sometimes this means that a bout gets halted a punch or 2 early; that's better than 2 punches late. You did that here so there shouldn't be any name calling.
No one can please everybody and just about every referee and judge gets slated every other season.
maninthemiddle wrote:Don't want to get into a tit for tat with you Jon but your initial post was all about the stoppage and made no mention of the standing eight count. (You refer to your second post in your reply)
At the end of the day its all about opinions and were obviously on different sides of the fence. To be honest I haven't a problem with your opinion it was more the level that this had been set at.
It wasn't outrageous, it may have been "debatable". Last time I looked i didn't have a red nose so the clown quote is a bit out of order just for having an opinion that was different to yours.
No reply necessary, PM me if you like but to be honest I would prefer this thread to drop off the top page after hopefully clearing the air.
The most important aspect of your role is to step in to keep the boxers safe. Sometimes this means that a bout gets halted a punch or 2 early; that's better than 2 punches late. You did that here so there shouldn't be any name calling.
No one can please everybody and just about every referee and judge gets slated every other season.
This isn't me Simon but thanks anyway
Sorry for the mix up Howard.
There was a (small) outcry and a fair amount of concern and anger on here toward the referee Erkki Meronen for how he saw the recent Maccarinelli v Frankel bout and the subsequent knock out.
maninthemiddle wrote:Don't want to get into a tit for tat with you Jon but your initial post was all about the stoppage and made no mention of the standing eight count. (You refer to your second post in your reply)
At the end of the day its all about opinions and were obviously on different sides of the fence. To be honest I haven't a problem with your opinion it was more the level that this had been set at.
It wasn't outrageous, it may have been "debatable". Last time I looked i didn't have a red nose so the clown quote is a bit out of order just for having an opinion that was different to yours.
No reply necessary, PM me if you like but to be honest I would prefer this thread to drop off the top page after hopefully clearing the air.
Very Good Post. This Thread Should Be Pulled Straight Away. Some Comments Have Been A Disgrace And Whoever Over Sees What Is Allowed On This Website Should Pull The Plug. I Enjoy Looking On BOXREC But This Thread Has Made Me Not Want To Bother Logging On. Adios
maninthemiddle wrote:Don't want to get into a tit for tat with you Jon but your initial post was all about the stoppage and made no mention of the standing eight count. (You refer to your second post in your reply)
At the end of the day its all about opinions and were obviously on different sides of the fence. To be honest I haven't a problem with your opinion it was more the level that this had been set at.
It wasn't outrageous, it may have been "debatable". Last time I looked i didn't have a red nose so the clown quote is a bit out of order just for having an opinion that was different to yours.
No reply necessary, PM me if you like but to be honest I would prefer this thread to drop off the top page after hopefully clearing the air.
Very Good Post. This Thread Should Be Pulled Straight Away. Some Comments Have Been A Disgrace And Whoever Over Sees What Is Allowed On This Website Should Pull The Plug. I Enjoy Looking On BOXREC But This Thread Has Made Me Not Want To Bother Logging On. Adios
Just A Big Boxing Fan Who Watches Fights Home And Abroad And Also Attends Local Shows (Manchester Area). Its Great Having Discussion But This Topic I Find Crosses The Line. Mentioning Howards Son. Which I Read In An Earlier Post Had Been Seriously Hurt. I Am Father. I Would Be Very Upset And Angry. The Discussion Was The Doran V Maxwell Fight. I Watched The Fight On Eurosport. Max Maxwell Good Fighter Tough As Teak. But Is Legs Went, Hands Down And Couple Of Clean Shots. Decision To Be Made. Very Good Stoppage. The Problem These Days Is The Paying Punter Wants A Fight To Be Last Man Standing. Referee Is The Person Who Looks After Boxers Safety. Everyone Has An Opinion. Adios
