Jerry Quarry vs Lorenzo Zanon(1977)

Brutu · Post by **Brutu** » 26 May 2011, 23:48

November.5.1977
Caesar's Palace,Las Vegas NV.
(ABC-TV Wide World of Sports)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUdOkEP9kpY

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 27 May 2011, 06:58

God that fight was hard enough to watch when it was televised live, and should not be placed in the public domain.

Brutu · Post by **Brutu** » 27 May 2011, 08:50

Do you know how much a new VCR cost in 1977?
About a thousand dollars.
A legal vhs copy of MASH ,PATTON or Planet of the Apes could cost about $50.00 $70.00 each .
In late 1977, a bootleg video of STAR WARS would cost $300.00.
Some television and movies companies had tried to get the home VCR declared illegal in the mid-1970's.
The number of sales of home video-recorders would increase dramatically in the late 1970's.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 27 May 2011, 11:02

Brutu wrote:Do you know how much a new VCR cost in 1977?
About a thousand dollars.
A legal vhs copy of MASH ,PATTON or Planet of the Apes could cost about $50.00 $70.00 each .
In late 1977, a bootleg video of STAR WARS would cost $300.00.
Some television and movies companies had tried to get the home VCR declared illegal in the mid-1970's.
The number of sales of home video-recorders would increase dramatically in the late 1970's.

Yes, I lived through all of that. I just wish that the Quarry-Zanon fight was one that was no longer available. It was very painful to watch.

Brutu · Post by **Brutu** » 27 May 2011, 11:48

Should I delete this thread?
You will have to delete your messages on this thread first before I can tho.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 27 May 2011, 11:56

Brutu wrote:Should I delete this thread?
You will have to delete your messages on this thread first before I can tho.

No, not at all. I was just expressing how painful it was to watch such a great fighter struggle as Quarry did against Zanon. I greatly appreciate your posts and contributions.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 27 May 2011, 11:59

Norton struggled with Zanon too. He was really awkward.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 27 May 2011, 12:12

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Norton struggled with Zanon too. He was really awkward.

Yes he was, but Quarry was shot at that stage and didn't just struggle. He barely landed a punch until the stoppage, and really got slapped around. Despite having stomped our local hero, Quarry was very popular in our crowd, although by that time we all knew he was finished. As I recall he hadn't fought for a few years after his loss to Norton, and he was even softer against Zanon than he was in the Norton fight. It was almost a miracle that he was able to pull of the stoppage against Zanon as he was outclassed in the fight. It was very hard to watch.

Brutu · Post by **Brutu** » 27 May 2011, 12:12

Lorenzo Zanon was no bum given to Quarry to beat up on.
Larry Holmes defended his Heavyweight Championship belt against Zanon less then 3 years later.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

Brutu · Post by **Brutu** » 27 May 2011, 12:16

In watching the second Muhammad Ali vs Jerry Quarry fight.
IMOP It was after that when Quarry should have been made to retire.
The image of him on his tool,,was a classic boxing warrior who just
could not proceed any further despite the fight in his heart.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 27 May 2011, 12:19

Brutu wrote:In watching the second Muhammad Ali vs Jerry Quarry fight.
IMOP It was after that when Quarry should have been made to retire.
The image of him on his tool,,was a classic boxing warrior who just
could not proceed any further despite the fight in his heart.

Although arguably his two best wins took place after that.

Brutu · Post by **Brutu** » 27 May 2011, 12:27

I was just going to say,the second Ali-Quarry fight was in 1972.
I was surprised when I looked it up,as I was thinking it was around early 1974.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 27 May 2011, 12:39

The Great John L wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Norton struggled with Zanon too. He was really awkward.
Yes he was, but Quarry was shot at that stage and didn't just struggle. He barely landed a punch until the stoppage, and really got slapped around. Despite having stomped our local hero, Quarry was very popular in our crowd, although by that time we all knew he was finished. As I recall he hadn't fought for a few years after his loss to Norton, and he was even softer against Zanon than he was in the Norton fight. It was almost a miracle that he was able to pull of the stoppage against Zanon as he was outclassed in the fight. It was very hard to watch.

I remember the fight. Wasn't it under Norton/Young with Duran/Gonzalez?

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 27 May 2011, 12:40

Brutu wrote:Lorenzo Zanon was no bum given to Quarry to beat up on.
Larry Holmes defended his Heavyweight Championship belt against Zanon less then 3 years later.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

That was a mismatch.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 27 May 2011, 13:00

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
The Great John L wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Norton struggled with Zanon too. He was really awkward.
Yes he was, but Quarry was shot at that stage and didn't just struggle. He barely landed a punch until the stoppage, and really got slapped around. Despite having stomped our local hero, Quarry was very popular in our crowd, although by that time we all knew he was finished. As I recall he hadn't fought for a few years after his loss to Norton, and he was even softer against Zanon than he was in the Norton fight. It was almost a miracle that he was able to pull of the stoppage against Zanon as he was outclassed in the fight. It was very hard to watch.
I remember the fight. Wasn't it under Norton/Young with Duran/Gonzalez?

I think you're correct that it was the televised prelim for Norton/Young, which was a prime time broadcast. I don't recall Duran fighting that night.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 27 May 2011, 13:07

The Great John L wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
The Great John L wrote: Yes he was, but Quarry was shot at that stage and didn't just struggle. He barely landed a punch until the stoppage, and really got slapped around. Despite having stomped our local hero, Quarry was very popular in our crowd, although by that time we all knew he was finished. As I recall he hadn't fought for a few years after his loss to Norton, and he was even softer against Zanon than he was in the Norton fight. It was almost a miracle that he was able to pull of the stoppage against Zanon as he was outclassed in the fight. It was very hard to watch.
I remember the fight. Wasn't it under Norton/Young with Duran/Gonzalez?
I think you're correct that it was the televised prelim for Norton/Young, which was a prime time broadcast. I don't recall Duran fighting that night.

I could have it mixed up. But I thought Duran fought Zeferino Gonzalez that night.Real tall Welter who gave him some trouble. I'm going to have to look it up now.

Edit: Duran/Gonzalez was under Holmes/Shavers 2. I should have known from the year.

yancey · Post by **yancey** » 27 May 2011, 14:30

Brutu wrote:In watching the second Muhammad Ali vs Jerry Quarry fight.
IMOP It was after that when Quarry should have been made to retire.
The image of him on his tool,,was a classic boxing warrior who just
could not proceed any further despite the fight in his heart.

Quarry should have been talked/begged/forced into retirement immediately after the second Frazier fight in June, 1974.

bluerosekiller · Post by **bluerosekiller** » 28 May 2011, 05:40

That Quarry shouldn't have been in the ring that night with Zanon is obvious. He looked awful & soaked up a lot of shots. And he most DEFINITELY didn't need to come back for a few fights in the '80s & then again, in the early '90s.
By all accounts poor Jerry took a brutal amount of punishment in some of those latter contests that did an untold amount of damage to his grey matter & surely shortened what remained of his lifespan.

So, the unanswerable question is, would he have been better off had he taken another couple of fights in the aftermath of that Zanon bout & then hung 'em up for good?
It very likely wouldn't have made a whole lot of difference at the end of the day because by then, the bulk of his tough career was behind him. But, maybe if he'd have fought the very last couple/few fights of his career when he was still in his thirties rather than well into his forties, the quality of what remained of his life may have been better. Just a thought.

bluerosekiller · Post by **bluerosekiller** » 28 May 2011, 06:21

So, just for the sake of argument, let's suppose Quarry & co. HAD decided to continue on after his unimpressive outing against the awkward, safety first Italian.
Who would Quarry have met next?
Would King have played it safe with a couple of opponent-types or put him in with someone rated in the top ten? I mean, who knows? Maybe he'd have tried to maneuver Quarry into the spot that Alfredo Evangelista eventually found himself in that following November when he became Larry Holmes first title challenger.
Surely ABC would have bought that match up just as eagerly as they did Holmes vs Evangelista. Though, sadly, I sincerely doubt that ol' Jerry would have heard that bell to begin round no. 7 like the EBU Champion did. Holmes would have likely dictated with his jab, busted up Jerry's eyebrows with it, then poured it on for a TKO in 3 to 5 rounds.

Brutu · Post by **Brutu** » 28 May 2011, 08:57

Also of course Jerry Quarry was literally a last minute substitute
to replace Oscar Bonavena to fight Ken Norton on the Ali-Wepner fight in 1975.
He only had 10 days to get ready for it.

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