As a boxer, should running an integral part of your training

[Bricks]

why the hell would any boxer get up at 5am to run unless he had to. traditionally boxers also worked full time to support their families so taking marvin hagler as an example he worked on the petronellis building site from 9 to 5. hed get home have dinnner than work in the gym between 7 and 10 than get to sleep and get up at 5 and run an hour. than breakfast and back to sleep and than up to go to work.

until the early 90s boxing was far more austere. than all these titles came out andlottery funding for decent amateurs so right there in the amateurs the early morning running habit is broken.

as for the running itself i think long distance is great for endurance and keeping weight down and building patience for the battle etc but has to, absolutely has to be broken up with sprints and high intensity thrown in. running at asteady pace all the time and in the confort zone will get u nowhere except a good hiding.

all that said i think running is great for the boxer up to around 28 after that it takes a real toll on his legs and recovery if he wants to be light on his feet in the ring. angelo dundee said 3 miles a day is enough and i agree. 10 miles is waay too much. a boxer is better off doing groundwork pads and sparring for lungs. look at holyfield and foreman these guys didnt run much as they got older holyfield preferred swimminng and the boxing gym. foreman did a lot of traditional stuff like pulling cars up hills etc.

[Scrap]

There are ways now where you can run, 140 bpm and still lose weight. More so than conventional means where your Heart rate is 180.

[Deserter]

There are ways now where you can run, 140 bpm and still lose weight. More so than conventional means where your Heart rate is 180.

Scrap, explain more please, as that doesn't tally with the studies I've read.

[Deserter]

As for the guys in belsen i cant comment unless you have iside info, which you obviously do but i would hazard a guess they were not eating.

That's Macho's whole point - he's not wrong, he's pointing out that the fat guy is taking on more calories than he's burning off (calorie surplus), hence being fat i.e. even if he was doing intervals but still eating too much crap, he'd stilll be fat.

[Scrap]

Its something Ive come up with Deserter. Changes things a bit

[Spiker]

As for the guys in belsen i cant comment unless you have iside info, which you obviously do but i would hazard a guess they were not eating.

That's Macho's whole point - he's not wrong, he's pointing out that the fat guy is taking on more calories than he's burning off (calorie surplus), hence being fat i.e. even if he was doing intervals but still eating too much crap, he'd stilll be fat.

But thats my point.
the fact that he has not lost any weight at all is because his bpm is to low.
obviously i sort my clients diet as well but the above is often the case.
I believe a person can eat crap and still loose weight to a degree if they train properly.
But what do i know I only do it for a living

[Brute]

Without a doubt HIIT is much more benificial in most sports now.
It seems to have taken a while for this way of thinking to come around.
You often see fat people at the gym running for miles and getting nowhere.
I'm a personal trainer and would definitily suggest this for boxing without doubt.
i also wonder about the whole getting out of bed at 5am thing and running as well eff that

Much more beneficial than what and for what?

It's frustrating that the nouveau interval training crowd are so quick to write-off all other forms of training because they themselves have finally stumbled across intervals, high-intensity or otherwise. Elite athletes have been using intervals for decades, it's nothing new. Boxing by it's very nature is a form of interval training.

A decent training programme will have a mix of intensities over the days, weeks and months it is planned over. You cannot do high intensity intervals day in day out. Likewise, if all you do is low intensity endurance work, you'll lack sharpness and your lactate threshold will worsen. A smart athlete/boxer will make sure he has a solid aerobic base and then build on that with higher intensity work as he approaches fight night. He'll then take a little rest and begin another cycle. Simple periodisation.

BTW, the reason why the fat guy in the gym is fat is because he is in calorie surplus and has been for some time. His mode of training is irrelevant. The guys in Belsen were thin and they were neither on a treadmill nor doing HIIT.

Marvellous the amount of weight you lose if you are starving. Does anybody else remember Biafra? Does you no good though.

[Jeff Thomas]

WRONG!
The guy that is fat on the treadmill is going at a constant comfortable pace where as someone doing HIIT is pushing themself.

I thought that someone in the fat burning zone is (surprisingly), burning fat.. Where-as someone who is doing HITT is burning muscle?

That's what it says in my heart rate monitor booklet.

cheers

only if you are in a calorie defecit. The fat burning zone as a rule of thumb is pulse 220 minus your age.
I find a lot of people jogging to lose weight are not going at it hard enough.
You are not going to get catabolic if your diet is correct which as an athlete it should be.
Each to there own but its a very common mistake people make i presume that comment was meant as a joke. im not sure what booklet you have :)

220 minus your age gives you a generic maximum heart rate not your fat burning zone lol

[Jeff Thomas]

Without a doubt HIIT is much more benificial in most sports now.
It seems to have taken a while for this way of thinking to come around.
You often see fat people at the gym running for miles and getting nowhere.
I'm a personal trainer and would definitily suggest this for boxing without doubt.
i also wonder about the whole getting out of bed at 5am thing and running as well eff that

your a personal trainer and you don't know 220 minus your age is MHR- what're your quals?

[Jeff Thomas]

The biggest sticking point and the problem with the resident retard on the other thread is defining fitness - certain trainers will make recommendations based on what they did 30-40 years ago or what they were told by another trainer.

For me running is a method, and one that I, and all my boxers use. However it is not the only way to reach the levels of intensity that I would recommend. Rowing, cross training, circuits, spinning, swimming, bag work, pad work, battling plus a ton of other methods are alternatives depending what adaptions you want to take place.

My boxers went 16-4 this season so must be doing something right

[Jeff Thomas]

220 minus your age is a very, very loose method of estimating a person's maximum heart rate that can be a long way out. For example, my lab tested max heart rate before I did Everest was 164. At the time I was 29 and fit.

You need to change your name from macho to super man ha ha

Great achievement mate.

[REEVE]

i box amature (16 fights) running is v-important in my opinion as it helps a lot with stamina - i dnt know any boxers who dont run

[fatman]

Wladimir Klitschko does not do any running now.

This seems to have solved his stamina problem from early in his career believe he swims extensively for his main cardio work now.

A fella who posts on Eastside has lots of info on this

[freddydoesdallas]

Squash might be good. Very explosive and also good for hand-eye coordination

[rhino222]

220 minus your age is a very, very loose method of estimating a person's maximum heart rate that can be a long way out. For example, my lab tested max heart rate before I did Everest was 164. At the time I was 29 and fit.

in that case you had ventricular tachycardia and needed medical help!..... amiodarone anyone?...

[Roco]

Can't remember the full details but it was something to do with him building his calf muscles up too much through the running and then something within the calf hardening and becoming strained. He used to run a lot though.

Some people suffer from this type of cramp with their calf's locking up and causing severe pain. Not sure it could be attributed solely to running though unless you were running on your tip toes.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

What about the versaclimber - that looks a shit hot way to achieve your cardio goals and you don't smash up your joints.

[freddydoesdallas]

What about the versaclimber - that looks a shit hot way to achieve your cardio goals and you don't smash up your joints.

Is that the machine Ivan Drago was using in Rocky IV?

[Scrap]

Theres something going to Hit the market soon,which will solve everyones problems. Just had to get it right, now it is after Ten years of tests. Im told its Special, name Vertirun.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

What about the versaclimber - that looks a shit hot way to achieve your cardio goals and you don't smash up your joints.

Is that the machine Ivan Drago was using in Rocky IV?

Yup - kills you at first but once you get into is really fantastic and addictive!

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Theres something going to Hit the market soon,which will solve everyones problems. Just had to get it right, now it is after Ten years of tests. Im told its Special, name Vertirun.

What is a verti-run Howard? I take it is something like a versaclimber?

[Scrap]

F G, its a vertical Treadmill non impact running, where the Heart is 35% more functional because, of being Horizontal. It, when running produces 30% more lactic than running or a treamill at 140 bpm. Strangly it , when working VO2 max produces 20% less lactic. Had top athletes on it who get tested every month. There fitness levels increase throughout by 15%.Also theres a 3 year Phd study being done at the Uni at this present time.

[Jeff Thomas]

I never run for buses and whatnot, it is unseemly. However, it is good to mix things up when running for a non-rushing purpose. One point. Long runs are good once or twice a week for the mental aspect of getting up at 6am knowing you’ve got a right slog on your hands, or feet to be exact.

As Marvin said, “It is hard to get up for your run when you’re sleeping in silk pyjamas.”

Hagler also used to time his long runs. He did not own a stopwatch, he was a blue collar guy. Marvin overcame this by phoning his mum as he left, “I’m leaving”, and upon his return, “I’m back”, and she would time the runs for him, minus the approximation of the time it took him to phone her.

One question always troubled me. Why didn’t Hagler use the clock in his kitchen? Answer: It was considered gay for a man to own a kitchen clock when living alone in the early 1970s.

Mental. Preparation. preparation.

I also refuse to shout a person’s name if they are someway down the street. If I cannot reach them by walking briskly then I assume that it was written that I would not speak to the person on that occasion.

Ha ha class

[Scrap]

Jeff, same sort of idea, beat them to it by a number of years DD

[Spiker]

The biggest sticking point and the problem with the resident retard on the other thread is defining fitness - certain trainers will make recommendations based on what they did 30-40 years ago or what they were told by another trainer.

For me running is a method, and one that I, and all my boxers use. However it is not the only way to reach the levels of intensity that I would recommend. Rowing, cross training, circuits, spinning, swimming, bag work, pad work, battling plus a ton of other methods are alternatives depending what adaptions you want to take place.

My boxers went 16-4 this season so must be doing something right

Resident retard am I.
is your real name John Thomas??? ( Prick)