Oh Tyson, you're such a lovely boy

[palooka]

I come from a town with a large 'settled traveller community'. 'Gorger' is a widely used term for a non-traveller. I must admit, the travellers who employ the term don't really seem too concerned whether non-travellers are offended by it. I suspect if someone was, and it was pointed out to said traveller, they would immediately rectify their behaviour and never use it again.

Yes; I'm sure they'd consider how insulting and hurtful they had been, consider their ways and decide to change their behaviour and words with more consideration.



(We can live in hope)

S Fox You get Good and Bad in every Culture remember that

So the next time an Irish traveller steals from me I should just call him a thieving, irish c*nt rather than a thieving, Irish, pikey c*nt, right? What about if he takes his shirt off and tries to poke out your eye with his thumb at a car auction..?

It dont matter what you'd call him when he cant hear ya

I know we do Martin. I have neighbours who are rude, boorish, rude and inconsiderate. In Doncaster we have a large traveller community and more than a few settled in houses. The very vast majority are no trouble whatsoever, they live their lives and bother no one. There is a minority that cause a bad name for the majority. No offence, as I said earlier I know a couple who lived on camps, one was very bad and one was a decent (though crooked) man. I'm no angel.

[CiganoBoxer]

Mr P, help us out: As a Romany do you consider yourself different to an Irish traveller, or is a gypsy a gypsy, end of. There is a fair deal of racism among black people, Africans towards West Indians and vice versa, and I'm wondering if there's anything similar in the gypsy world.

Yes Glyn we are a separate breed the English and Irish , but we get along most of the time lol
BTW guys the term Gorga ent a derogatory term and is not a slur...its just a word we use to refer to non gypsy's/travelers .
I have never known real gypsy's being offended by being called gypsy's ether ,Pikey or gyppo yeh...but most only dare call us that on forums ;;-)

[jBacca]

Mr P, help us out: As a Romany do you consider yourself different to an Irish traveller, or is a gypsy a gypsy, end of. There is a fair deal of racism among black people, Africans towards West Indians and vice versa, and I'm wondering if there's anything similar in the gypsy world.

Yes Glyn we are a separate breed the English and Irish , but we get along most of the time lol
BTW guys the term Gorga ent a derogatory term and is not a slur...its just a word we use to refer to non gypsy's/travelers .
I have never known real gypsy's being offended by being called gypsy's ether ,Pikey or gyppo yeh...but most only dare call us that on forums ;;-)

To be honest though mate, it's taken these forums for me to realise pikey is offensive. I was using the word all the time before getting called up on it and I know a few others who thought it was harmless too.

[Glyn Leach]

Cheers Mr P

[dondada]

Yes Glyn we are a separate breed the English and Irish , but we get along most of the time lol
BTW guys the term Gorga ent a derogatory term and is not a slur...its just a word we use to refer to non gypsy's/travelers .
I have never known real gypsy's being offended by being called gypsy's ether ,Pikey or gyppo yeh...but most only dare call us that on forums ;;-)

Travellers/gypsies might not intend 'gorger' to be derogatory. That doesn't mean non-travellers like being called it! Same logic can apply to the words you don't like.

[Glyn Leach]

Yes Glyn we are a separate breed the English and Irish , but we get along most of the time lol
BTW guys the term Gorga ent a derogatory term and is not a slur...its just a word we use to refer to non gypsy's/travelers .
I have never known real gypsy's being offended by being called gypsy's ether ,Pikey or gyppo yeh...but most only dare call us that on forums ;;-)

Travellers/gypsies might not intend 'gorger' to be derogatory. That doesn't mean non-travellers like being called it! Same logic can apply to the words you don't like.

I take Ian's greater point — one rule for everyone — but personally I don't mind being called gorger, whitey, taff or anything else — except Cockney, I'm Acton born and bred and we are not Cockneys. For some reason that one gets to me, even though I've lived in the East End for the best part of 20 years. And I must point out, East Enders would never call me a Cockney, they know the difference. And I'm going to stop rambling on now.

[Glyn Leach]

All Londoners are Cocks East Enders or otherwise.

Do one Lord Haw-Haw

[Datsue]

PS Mr Pedigree - We're told to use "traveller" rather than gypsy or pikey (obviously) but why are they called travellers when the furthest they travel is a stroll across the site they've been parked on for the last 25 years? Or Appleby horse fair :)

Sorry to butt in but our self-description if you like is "Traveller"; we lied about being from Egypt a couple hundred years ago & it stuck, hence Gypsy. S'a cultural thing; we're the "Travelling People", at least in our own mythology of ourselves, hence the name.

As Mr P says, gyppo is the one that gets our back up (or at least mine), & then only if someone's being ignorant about it -- if you're a mate & call me a "dirty gyppo pudendum" I'll laugh but certainly wouldn't take it from someone I didn't know.

Gorger or gadjé in Rrom proper is our word for you, just like Gypsy is your word for us. If it comes out sounding derogatory, well, just think about how the word Gypsy is normally used, the inflection on it. It's (the colouration of the word by its context) the same thing, I think.

If anyone is interested, I know people who have made it their life's work over the last twenty years going over the connections between my lot (Anglo-Romani, Gypsy to you) & Irish Travellers (Pavee if you please). It involves a lot of guesswork & lot of social science stuff that sounds like bullshit & a lot of controversy & I've tried to get them to explain it to me repeatedly but I'm still none the wiser.

[Glyn Leach]

PS Mr Pedigree - We're told to use "traveller" rather than gypsy or pikey (obviously) but why are they called travellers when the furthest they travel is a stroll across the site they've been parked on for the last 25 years? Or Appleby horse fair :)

Sorry to butt in but our self-description if you like is "Traveller"; we lied about being from Egypt a couple hundred years ago & it stuck, hence Gypsy. S'a cultural thing; we're the "Travelling People", at least in our own mythology of ourselves, hence the name.

As Mr P says, gyppo is the one that gets our back up (or at least mine), & then only if someone's being ignorant about it -- if you're a mate & call me a "dirty gyppo pudendum" I'll laugh but certainly wouldn't take it from someone I didn't know.

Gorger or gadjé in Rrom proper is our word for you, just like Gypsy is your word for us. If it comes out sounding derogatory, well, just think about how the word Gypsy is normally used, the inflection on it. It's (the colouration of the word by its context) the same thing, I think.

If anyone is interested, I know people who have made it their life's work over the last twenty years going over the connections between my lot (Anglo-Romani, Gypsy to you) & Irish Travellers (Pavee if you please). It involves a lot of guesswork & lot of social science stuff that sounds like bullshit & a lot of controversy & I've tried to get them to explain it to me repeatedly but I'm still none the wiser.

Pavee! That's a new one to me. This thread is getting bloody informative. Apparently I have a bit of Romany lurking from generations ago on my father's side, but they're long dead and only spoke German anyway so I'd need a multi skilled medium to ask them about it all. This thread is filling in some gaps.

[Captain Hook]

PS Mr Pedigree - We're told to use "traveller" rather than gypsy or pikey (obviously) but why are they called travellers when the furthest they travel is a stroll across the site they've been parked on for the last 25 years? Or Appleby horse fair :)

Sorry to butt in but our self-description if you like is "Traveller"; we lied about being from Egypt a couple hundred years ago & it stuck, hence Gypsy. S'a cultural thing; we're the "Travelling People", at least in our own mythology of ourselves, hence the name.

As Mr P says, gyppo is the one that gets our back up (or at least mine), & then only if someone's being ignorant about it -- if you're a mate & call me a "dirty gyppo pudendum" I'll laugh but certainly wouldn't take it from someone I didn't know.

Gorger or gadjé in Rrom proper is our word for you, just like Gypsy is your word for us. If it comes out sounding derogatory, well, just think about how the word Gypsy is normally used, the inflection on it. It's (the colouration of the word by its context) the same thing, I think.

If anyone is interested, I know people who have made it their life's work over the last twenty years going over the connections between my lot (Anglo-Romani, Gypsy to you) & Irish Travellers (Pavee if you please). It involves a lot of guesswork & lot of social science stuff that sounds like bullshit & a lot of controversy & I've tried to get them to explain it to me repeatedly but I'm still none the wiser.

Bloody hell Datsue, there's loads of you gyppo cnuts on here matey :)

You boys get good broadband in the caravan?

I'm joking, I'm joking......can I get away with it being Welsh and of Irish descent? Probably not!

[Captain Hook]

I believe that my Irish family are from travelling stock. They roamed the Irish countryside before settling in the Kilkenny hills and, according to a genealogy service, ‘terrorising the local population’. We were ‘Swarthy, dark irreligious’ fiends an’ all. ‘Knackers’ as they are known in Ireland. Solid people. Dudes.

Irish travellers seemed to see this in me. I was born here but would often bump into Irish people from travelling families and they always took to me. They’d call me ‘John’ and laugh their heads off when I replied, “I’m not called John, I am King Geedorah.”

God guys. They did stop us a few times in order to beat up my mates and strip them to their underwear. On these occasions the Irish lads would ask me to go into the shop for them, they were barred, to stock up on Ribena. Then we’d stand there sipping the purple drank as they administered some ritual humiliation to my pals, who deserved it to be fair.

What worries me is that this is probably true

BTW Are you up for my stag do on August 20 KG, it's in sunny Manchester. I'll send out invited to the Boxrec boys who know me, and I don't argue with :)

I'm getting married in Gibraltar in September......

We'll wear our Boxrec T-shirts :)

[apophenic]

PS Mr Pedigree - We're told to use "traveller" rather than gypsy or pikey (obviously) but why are they called travellers when the furthest they travel is a stroll across the site they've been parked on for the last 25 years? Or Appleby horse fair :)

Sorry to butt in but our self-description if you like is "Traveller"; we lied about being from Egypt a couple hundred years ago & it stuck, hence Gypsy. S'a cultural thing; we're the "Travelling People", at least in our own mythology of ourselves, hence the name.

As Mr P says, gyppo is the one that gets our back up (or at least mine), & then only if someone's being ignorant about it -- if you're a mate & call me a "dirty gyppo pudendum" I'll laugh but certainly wouldn't take it from someone I didn't know.

Gorger or gadjé in Rrom proper is our word for you, just like Gypsy is your word for us. If it comes out sounding derogatory, well, just think about how the word Gypsy is normally used, the inflection on it. It's (the colouration of the word by its context) the same thing, I think.

If anyone is interested, I know people who have made it their life's work over the last twenty years going over the connections between my lot (Anglo-Romani, Gypsy to you) & Irish Travellers (Pavee if you please). It involves a lot of guesswork & lot of social science stuff that sounds like bullshit & a lot of controversy & I've tried to get them to explain it to me repeatedly but I'm still none the wiser.

romanis originally came from India 100's of years ago did they not?

[yiddo14]

Can I still call the pretend travellers I know around my way, the ones who have no trace of romany etc in their family yet like to pretend they are from that world...pudenda?

[Datsue]

romanis originally came from India 100's of years ago did they not?

Yup.

Can I still call the pretend travellers I know around my way, the ones who have no trace of romany etc in their family yet like to pretend they are from that world...pudenda?

[CiganoBoxer]

Some of you guys might not know this but there are Romany Gypsy's in the usa ..they look the same and live the same,do same types of trades/work and are nowhere near as hated or discriminated against over there ,...i often get talking to a lot American travelers on facebook and they cant believe it when i tell them how hard are culture has got it over here in the uk.
Gypsy people in the UK are the most hated discriminated against ethnic race ...its sad fact,...the uk will grant planning permission for any Muslims that want to build mosques anywhere and in any city they wish, yet a gypsy family has to fight tooth and nail to get planning on any land they own..you know i think like one in every 20 might get planning .
Is that right or fair ?..i am not saying that we are all angels but some of us get money by working hard,My family have been settled in the same little village since 1986 and well liked and respected ,my father got in to buying and selling land/property so we've worked hard all our lives and earned money an got what weve got the right way..from hard graft,some people dont seem interested in this side to our culture,only what gets made up on some stupid tv show
My sister has worked for 5 years for house of Frazer the top department store selling channel etc the store thinks the world of her yet she wouldn't dare tell them shes a gypsy...she wouldn't want to lose her job ,She often laughs at how her work colleagues make racist comments about other gypsy's that come in the store to buy stuff and yet these same colleagues have bought my sister stuff for her birthday and been out for meals with yet have not got a clue what she is ...its because she lives in a nice little bungalow and not a trailer i guess ...but it is funny lol
But ent it terrible when you gotta hide what you are because of something like that .

[CiganoBoxer]

Some of you guys might not know this but there are Romany Gypsy's in the usa ..they look the same and live the same,do same types of trades/work and are nowhere near as hated or discriminated against over there ,...i often get talking to a lot American travelers on facebook and they cant believe it when i tell them how hard are culture has got it over here in the uk.
Gypsy people in the UK are the most hated discriminated against ethnic race ...its sad fact,...the uk will grant planning permission for any Muslims that want to build mosques anywhere and in any city they wish, yet a gypsy family has to fight tooth and nail to get planning on any land they own..you know i think like one in every 20 might get planning .
Is that right or fair ?..i am not saying that we are all angels but some of us get money by working hard,My family have been settled in the same little village since 1986 and well liked and respected ,my father got in to buying and selling land/property so we've worked hard all our lives and earned money an got what weve got the right way..from hard graft,some people dont seem interested in this side to our culture,only what gets made up on some stupid tv show

Some of you earn money by working hard. Some is the key word. A sizeable number of those in the travelling community make their living by thieving; or doing sub-standard work; and/or raping the benefit system. Many have no idea how to conduct themselves in public - loud, obnoxius, invade personal space, honk car horns rather than knocking on doors etc...
Some in the community park up their trailers on other people's land and when they eventually do move on leave the place in a right state.
Some of the planning applications that get put in are flat out ridiculous, mate. That's the problem. If you buy a piece of greenfield land, you can't be too surprised when an application to build dwellings is turned down. If you could buy a field in the middle of nowhere and just build houses willy-nilly, every fornicator would be doing it.
Travellers aren't hated because they are travellers. They get the reputation they get because of the way they conduct themselves. If you all played the game and melded into society, or at least kept your heads down, there'd be no problem.
The US is a big place. In the UK it's not quite as easy to take the piss in one area and then move to another without anybody hearing anything about it.

What a load of Bull shitt ...you talk like its only travelers that have % in their numbers that behave like this ...lets take a stroll down most rough council estates in the uk and have a look at the people that live on them or the way they live ,lets see how many on these estates ,create mess,sign on,get houses give em and do as much law breaking as anyone else ...what type of person would i be if i passed judgment on all house living people as being the same ?? thats right i would be the same as you D
I can read in your post what type of fella you is mush

[the truth]

Who give a fvck? This is a boxing forum not a colour, creed, ethnic origin or religious forum!
Fury on points or late stoppage
The truth

[CiganoBoxer]

Some of you earn money by working hard. Some is the key word. A sizeable number of those in the travelling community make their living by thieving; or doing sub-standard work; and/or raping the benefit system. Many have no idea how to conduct themselves in public - loud, obnoxius, invade personal space, honk car horns rather than knocking on doors etc...
Some in the community park up their trailers on other people's land and when they eventually do move on leave the place in a right state.
Some of the planning applications that get put in are flat out ridiculous, mate. That's the problem. If you buy a piece of greenfield land, you can't be too surprised when an application to build dwellings is turned down. If you could buy a field in the middle of nowhere and just build houses willy-nilly, every fornicator would be doing it.
Travellers aren't hated because they are travellers. They get the reputation they get because of the way they conduct themselves. If you all played the game and melded into society, or at least kept your heads down, there'd be no problem.
The US is a big place. In the UK it's not quite as easy to take the piss in one area and then move to another without anybody hearing anything about it.

What a load of Bull shitt ...you talk like its only travelers that have % in their numbers that behave like this ...lets take a stroll down most rough council estates in the uk and have a look at the people that live on them or the way they live ,lets see how many on these estates ,create mess,sign on,get houses give em and do as much law breaking as anyone else ...what type of person would i be if i passed judgment on all house living people as being the same ?? thats right i would be the same as you D
I can read in your post what type of fella you is mush

You were the one who brought up travellers being discriminated against. I am telling you why they are discriminated against. You can call it 'bullshit' if you wish but you'd be kidding yourself. The perception that people have is largely similar to what I wrote above, whether they choose to admit it or they don't. The other people you mention who abuse the system and don't bring value added to society are also frowned upon by the majority. It's up to the travelling community themselves to change people's perceptions about them - if they want to - blaming everybody else won't solve anything.

That is some stereotypical bs right there ,You cant stone wall or tar with the same brush an ethnic group of people because a minority of them might be antisocial ...what your saying is that all gypsy's are exactly same ..how short sighted is that...thats BS
I would love to teach you the difference between good hard working travelers and what your perception is ...but ya cant teach pork can ya ;;-)

[dondada]

Macho is quite clearly saying that some - not all - travellers act like he says.

In my experience, he's quite right.

[banger]

so who or what is a diddycoy? i remember that term being usedyears ago to describe travellers

[CiganoBoxer]

Macho is quite clearly saying that some - not all - travellers act like he says.

In my experience, he's quite right.

So you agree with what he was saying then ? , that travelers ent hated because their travelers but because a small minority behaves in a certain way...so its fine to treat them all the same and should hate the lot ??

I am done with this thread...i can see i am beatin a dead horse .

[dondada]

Macho is quite clearly saying that some - not all - travellers act like he says.

In my experience, he's quite right.

So you agree with what he was saying then ? , that travelers ent hated because their travelers but because a small minority behaves in a certain way...so its fine to treat them all the same and should hate the lot ??

I am done with this thread...i can see i am beatin a dead horse .

If he was saying this: "its fine to treat them all the same and should hate the lot" then no, I don't agree at all. I don't think he is saying this though - at least not in the post to which I was referring.

He was pointing out, I think, that the 'stereotype' to which you refer does have some basis in fact and I agree with him. By the sounds of it, you accept this too - I suppose it's probably just the size of the 'small minority' we might differ on.

[keithmoonhangover]

There are a LOTS of travellers living in Darlington and some of them are clients of mine. In Darlo we have Hawkers and Gypsies and neither would care for words like Pikey and Gypo.

However, if someone was to call me a Honky, would it be sensored?

[palooka]

I'll kick yo pretty lily white ass you honky MF

[keithmoonhangover]

I'll kick yo pretty lily white ass you honky MF

HOW DARE YOU FOXY!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not lily white mate, the sun was out yesterday, so my nappa is well and trully red.