The effects on Smedley and Cameron defeats

[steelcity 65]

Just like to say a few words about nicki and liams losses last week,1st nicki, the thing with nicki he's had loads of problems over the years of been a pro,some made by himself and some by me wanting it more than him but when he turned pro with dennis everything was goin great ,meand him would have the odd argument about his training and I would take them home then it got worse then we wouldn't talk, but in 2008 my mum became ill with copd and we all saw her suffer then 7th feb she passed away,3 days previous she was wheeled out of intensive care and shoved on a ward as she was that scared she refused treatment,me nicki and his brother were at her bedside beggin her to go back on the ventilater ,she was semi consious and Nicki was devestated beggin her to get the treatment,she looked at him and said u fight and I'll fight so she took the treatment, but it didn't work and she died, Nicki was the closest to her but he started training months after ,Dennis got him a title fight in Jersey and 5 weeks later he took his dogs on the field and a druggies needle went through his trainer into his foot,he had to wait 3 months for results,so his fight was off, any way he got back and boxed beke moyo an oponent that was matched the night before, then came warburton who just ran for 6 rounds,nicki had been fed up of fightin ppl with losin records before and would have walked away altogether then Nigel Wright was mentioned and he wanted the Test, he got to light welter and had never done ten rounds,With nigel high up in the domestic ratings and active it was a big test,after we have watched the fight and Nicki as learnt lots even though he lost,he had no marks only a graze on his lip,he caught wright with all the eyecatchin shots finished the stronger and was never troubled, we know he has to b bussier but it was all new, we hope to get him back 3 sept to fight for somesort of title
Liam was devastated with his loss and on the night Erik deserved it,liam came out won the first 2 then went flat but had a good last round, he's 20y old had 10 fights in 14 months so constant trainin might have took its toll and the Birth of his child def had an effect, evrybody who knows liam saw a different kid in there he was physically fit but mentally drained and he now has learnt lots from that fight, both nicki and liam will comeback loads better and even more hungary and people sayin they were wrong fight should realise they were good fights for them to learn

[Tommy Gunn13]

They were two tough Oppenents for both boxers,i thought Wright would beat Smedley easy...but it was far from easy,well done to you&your team for taking these kind of fights so early on(wish others would) They can both come back stronger from this,best of luck to both lads

[slider]

To much these days are on the 0 (not having a losing record). Someone said the other day where have all the journey men gone, well there still there just being protected by promoters because they sell tickets.Im not calling Smedley are Cameron journeymen at all just saying people should take a look at these match ups more closley. I really respect Smedley and Cameron for taking such tough fights at a early stage and believe in losing will make them bigger and stronger. The promoter and trainer, also the boxer should take massive credit here, it will only make British Boxing stronger.

[philipgill]

Just like to say a few words about nicki and liams losses last week,1st nicki, the thing with nicki he's had loads of problems over the years of been a pro,some made by himself and some by me wanting it more than him but when he turned pro with dennis everything was goin great ,meand him would have the odd argument about his training and I would take them home then it got worse then we wouldn't talk, but in 2008 my mum became ill with copd and we all saw her suffer then 7th feb she passed away,3 days previous she was wheeled out of intensive care and shoved on a ward as she was that scared she refused treatment,me nicki and his brother were at her bedside beggin her to go back on the ventilater ,she was semi consious and Nicki was devestated beggin her to get the treatment,she looked at him and said u fight and I'll fight so she took the treatment, but it didn't work and she died, Nicki was the closest to her but he started training months after ,Dennis got him a title fight in Jersey and 5 weeks later he took his dogs on the field and a druggies needle went through his trainer into his foot,he had to wait 3 months for results,so his fight was off, any way he got back and boxed beke moyo an oponent that was matched the night before, then came warburton who just ran for 6 rounds,nicki had been fed up of fightin ppl with losin records before and would have walked away altogether then Nigel Wright was mentioned and he wanted the Test, he got to light welter and had never done ten rounds,With nigel high up in the domestic ratings and active it was a big test,after we have watched the fight and Nicki as learnt lots even though he lost,he had no marks only a graze on his lip,he caught wright with all the eyecatchin shots finished the stronger and was never troubled, we know he has to b bussier but it was all new, we hope to get him back 3 sept to fight for somesort of title
Liam was devastated with his loss and on the night Erik deserved it,liam came out won the first 2 then went flat but had a good last round, he's 20y old had 10 fights in 14 months so constant trainin might have took its toll and the Birth of his child def had an effect, evrybody who knows liam saw a different kid in there he was physically fit but mentally drained and he now has learnt lots from that fight, both nicki and liam will comeback loads better and even more hungary and people sayin they were wrong fight should realise they were good fights for them to learn

Hope things work out for you guys.

Im a big believer in the mental aspect of boxing id say it plays just as big a part if not bigger as your fitness. Don't rush back if mentally your not in the right place keep busy in the gym and enjoy the training until things are good.

[Jeff Thomas]

Think you've done a great job. Everybody loses at some stage. Good luck for the future.

[steelcity 65]

Think you've done a great job. Everybody loses at some stage. Good luck for the future.

well its a team and nicki is wanting to get back and liam is but we are lettin them chill for a while and come back recharged , I was proud of them for nicki steppin up to the mark and liam for takin the fight after the birth

[big lennox]

Think you've done a great job. Everybody loses at some stage. Good luck for the future.

well its a team and nicki is wanting to get back and liam is but we are lettin them chill for a while and come back recharged , I was proud of them for nicki steppin up to the mark and liam for takin the fight after the birth

You can all be proud.Your fighters will be so much better for these recent bouts.Loads to work on and develop.I hope they both find that inspiring, and I will watch their careers with interes, as they have bags of talent.

It's a very good job you are doing down there with them + the other amateurs you have trained/are currently bringing through.

[Dan Dares]

smedley certainly didn't disgrace himself in that fight - i thought he got stronger as the fight went on.

[kierny]

i was well impressed with the way smedley boxes! and ive seen cameron before and he's a top talent too!

[rhino222]

i dont see any problem with either of the defeats, neither was laid out early (as per swaby v maccarinelli). both will learn loads more from losing and being competetive than stopping pablo picasso in round 1.

a defeat is a good thing, if you learn by your mistakes, it took smedley 5 rounds to even start fighting, i think smedley could still reach british level, if he applies himself correctly, in and out of the ring, his style is certainly pleasing on the eye.

[manno]

Think Cameron will come back stronger- showed that in ams, lost to smith and Fowler in close 1s then won abas n 4nations, beating Langford,cardle and the west ham kid. At least British title level within his reach imo.

[palooka]

It were the 1st time I'd seen Nicki box and I thought that Wright would really bust him up but he were very good. Once he got in his stride he showed he belonged in there with a top domestic man. I was surprised that Liam lost as I'd seen him once or twice; a loss is not the end of the world and sometimes can be a blessing in disguise.

Both lads are very good and will box at a high level IMO

[canonball1234]

This is were we need the good feedback the most, thanks everyone for ur post, I carnt say al be back cus I ain't gone nowere,lol so I go back to gym and learn from my mistakes thanks again much appreciated

[palooka]

You did fantastic as an amateur and got off to a flyer. A loss shouldn't be a big deal and does not mean that you can't make it. You'll both do well IMO; + you have the Clinton Woods advantage of having your feet on the ground, when you do well there'll be loads who are happy for you.

[fightfan1889]

i seen quite a few of cameron's fights and have always been impressed. last week at hillsboro when he lost though, he just didnt seem himself. he wasnt throwing often enough or getting off first i thought.
he'll deffo come back better and stronger.
and with him being a fellow blade i'm hoping for great things for him.

[steelcity 65]

as said already in this thread people too much into keeping that 0, fighters need to tested early and sometimes a close loss can be fair better than the 1KO of a Latvian. Both guys will learn from their defeats and no doubt come back stronger.

good luck to all concerned

thanks and no truer words spoken,its not end of the world and both fights will make good rematches, I know both lads have been talkin about there fights and what went wrong, Liam is totally dedicated and when he's not training he's looking on the internet checkin fights out or he's on ere,that's how much he loves the game so he's itchin to get back,Nicki has to have a small operation on his left elbow which has troubled him for 12 months and he's a changed kid too he wants a go at another title and he will step up his workrate

[FtmPress]

These guys will be back these fight's were going learning fights and as one poster has said a lost in not the end of the world is how you come back and we will bring both guys back is up to them and what they learn from these fights.

[steelcity 65]

Thanks for positive comments,liam read them. I read em out to nicki,it has giv us all a boost and they will be back september more educated and ready

[jonp]

To be honest theres no need for steel city or the lads to even come on here and explain .They putthe lads in tough fights and took it on the chin in close losses .Nicky and Liam will be better fighters for those fights that i can guarantee i tell my lads over and over its not the journy its the destination.
Would you rather get to a big title shot on sky with a lovely unbeaten record but never have been tested then get walloped when the going gets tough? or have a genuine record from fighting proper fights and fighters and get that same fight and come out a champion?
This is a tough game and tough fights and genuine learning losses can be the making or breaking of fighters .The good fighters will come back as better fighters.
Wish more prospects were willing to put it on the line early and become better because of it regardless of the odd result.It improves british boxing as a whole and improves fans belief in shows.
Applaud both lads and i say again youv got nothing come and explain doing a great job

[steelcity 65]

To be honest theres no need for steel city or the lads to even come on here and explain .They putthe lads in tough fights and took it on the chin in close losses .Nicky and Liam will be better fighters for those fights that i can guarantee i tell my lads over and over its not the journy its the destination.
Would you rather get to a big title shot on sky with a lovely unbeaten record but never have been tested then get walloped when the going gets tough? or have a genuine record from fighting proper fights and fighters and get that same fight and come out a champion?
This is a tough game and tough fights and genuine learning losses can be the making or breaking of fighters .The good fighters will come back as better fighters.
Wish more prospects were willing to put it on the line early and become better because of it regardless of the odd result.It improves british boxing as a whole and improves fans belief in shows.
Applaud both lads and i say again youv got nothing come and explain doing a great job

I agree about the shows pal, iv been to so many shows in the pro game where the results are known before the fight except for the odd upset,I mean we put lots of amateur shows on and each fight is an even match same ability similar records and u get 12 fights for a £10 then the lads turn over and fight journey men time after time, so their level slowley drops,hand up iv been guilty with nicki but only because in my heart previous he hadn't ticked every box in his training and I was too protective but I myself have learnt a lot from this as well, ye as an amateur coach iv helped kids win national titles at all ages and guided them to England Level,but that's with the help of all the other trainers in gym, but this pro game and title level is a new chapter in my book,and we all make mistakes,and nicki and liam are still good fighters with a little more experience now, ronnie roe is another amat coach with the dickensons who's doin well but still learnin this pro game,

[hurlock]

i think what makes a loss damaging is if there has been alot of padding the record prior the loss or if a bad k.o obviously.

they have to forget it & keep moving on.

[beagleboy]

Liam is a promising young boxer. However, I feel that, like many other boxers previously, he may have to leave his amateur trainer to fulfil that potential.

[steelcity 65]

[quote="beagleboy"]Liam is a promising young boxer. However, I feel that, like many other boxers previously, he may have to leave his amateur trainer to fulfil that potential.

[/quote,well the choice is his I avnt a problem with that but he's got 2 trainers anyway,he works solid with mark willey and with me too, some ppl like u know who get put in places to train top fighters but never do it from scratch,iv been with liam since he was 10,help guid him to an aba titleand a british, the lads had his first defeat ,ye its hard to take on the chin but its part of learning, and when he comes back he will be more determined and will produce , ur statement seems to be personal mr beagleboy , my gym is thriving with young champion amateurs and good prospects that's been ere from scratch,and grass is greener on the other side ppl say