Froch 167 Johnson 166...kicks off at weigh in

[johnswan1]

Johnson has always looked "old as hell."

x2, people should not be fooled by how old he looks.

[tonyevs]

Weight drained or not - Johnson will not be as lethargic and subdued as Abraham was.
Carl put on a good exhibition that night. But Abraham hugely helped by being so bad.

Johnson is no great by a long shot - but then neither is Froch.
Glen is skilled enough to make Carl work hard for his victory though.

Froch UD

[manno]

Weight drained or not - Johnson will not be as lethargic and subdued as Abraham was.
Carl put on a good exhibition that night. But Abraham hugely helped by being so bad.

Johnson is no great by a long shot - but then neither is Froch.
Glen is skilled enough to make Carl work hard for his victory though.

Froch UD

Agree, also carl will have to a be lot busier to 'go' with Johnson. I know Green aint no great shakes but niether is Abraham(imo) and i thought Glen did a proper job on him, also his hands looked quite fast. I think Froch could be suprised by his underated boxing ability. I can see him catching carl with fast right hands over the top, personally feel its a real 'pick em' fight but really hoping Froch can do it!!

[McCannW14]

Glen looks very drawn particularly in the cheeks. A shame beacuse he is a very good fighter and a nice bloke too.

I feel Froch will be too busy for him, and too sharp. I see Johnson being rescued on his feet in around 9 rounds.

[whiskey]

Johnson is no great by a long shot - but then neither is Froch.

Froch UD

Perhaps Johnson need 43 bums in his home town before going out there, taking Clinton's IBF, then knocking out Roy Jones and outpointing Tarver ?

Perhaps he would be considered an all-time great by some armchair fans.

So feared that even fellow belt holders withdraw from 3 consecutive fights with him.

[Emmseegee]

What time is this fight likely to be on at?

[Bennyblanco]

What time is this fight likely to be on at?

2.30am according to froch's facebook page

[Emmseegee]

Cheers mate.

[Dan Dares]

Carl isn't going to take his chances getting into a tear up either, because he'd come second.

I've never seen him come off second in a tear up. Your right, he should keep it long and make it an easyish night, but I'd fancy Froch in a tear up against anyone.

[rhino222]

lets get real, johnson looks ok at the weigh in, its the likes of hatton who looked skeletal, and it did not make him lose many fights.

i take froch to stop the old warrior after hurting him early too.

Froch tko 6

[tonyevs]

Johnson is no great by a long shot - but then neither is Froch.

Froch UD

Perhaps Johnson need 43 bums in his home town before going out there, taking Clinton's IBF, then knocking out Roy Jones and outpointing Tarver ?

Perhaps he would be considered an all-time great by some armchair fans.

So feared that even fellow belt holders withdraw from 3 consecutive fights with him.

Never takes you long to bring Calzaghe into this for a bit of bashing eh Gomez ..

Do you rate this version of Johnson as something really special then?
even at this new lower weight? .. at the tail end of his career??

I got the utmost respect for Glencoffe Johnson (as I do Carl Froch).
But the wins over the 3names Gomez highlighted may have some value - but they were not really special at that stage of their career when Johnson beat them were they? some will argue two of them were not much cop at any stage of their career ..
Johnson is now at the very tail end of his career .. he ain`t no Bernard Hopkins. Or even doing what Hopkins does when choosing his opponents

That said. I think he will have enough left to make Carl work hard .. there is no guarantee of course at his age and at a lower weight.
But .. why let that get in the way of a bit of pointless Calzaghe-bashing eh Gomez ... after all .. Froch would be nothing if he wasn`t connected to Calzaghes name now would he??

[whiskey]

Johnson is no great by a long shot - but then neither is Froch.

Froch UD

Perhaps Johnson need 43 bums in his home town before going out there, taking Clinton's IBF, then knocking out Roy Jones and outpointing Tarver ?

Perhaps he would be considered an all-time great by some armchair fans.

So feared that even fellow belt holders withdraw from 3 consecutive fights with him.

Never takes you long to bring Calzaghe into this for a bit of bashing eh Gomez ..

Do you rate this version of Johnson as something really special then?
even at this new lower weight? .. at the tail end of his career??

I got the utmost respect for Glencoffe Johnson (as I do Carl Froch).
But the wins over the 3names Gomez highlighted may have some value - but they were not really special at that stage of their career when Johnson beat them were they? some will argue two of them were not much cop at any stage of their career ..
Johnson is now at the very tail end of his career .. he ain`t no Bernard Hopkins. Or even doing what Hopkins does when choosing his opponents

That said. I think he will have enough left to make Carl work hard .. there is no guarantee of course at his age and at a lower weight.
But .. why let that get in the way of a bit of pointless Calzaghe-bashing eh Gomez ... after all .. Froch would be nothing if he wasn`t connected to Calzaghes name now would he??

I never even mentioned Calzaghe did I ?

"Johnson is no great by a long shot - but then neither is Froch." - now suddenly you have the "utmost respect for Froch"

And if Roy Jones was not something special back then - what was he four years later ?

Hopkins, is that the guy who got dropped twice by Pascal and lost twice to Jermain Taylor ? the one who got robbed blind against Calzaghe despite dropping him like a sack of bricks. Poor Bernie , don't have much luck does he.

[stujones]

A bit of perspective, Johnson isn't an all time great. In the rematch Tarver did a number of Johnson. I think the cards were kind on Johnson, as they were in the Dawson fights (both IMO).

Tough ombre, and I was so delighted when he made some cash and won the world title, but not a great. Froch SHOULD do a number on him.

[Autobarn]

don't know why johnson has come in so light. a bit strange, given his age and fighting at super middle for only the second time in years.

maybe he is making a statement to froch, that making super middle is not an issue. bit dangerous to do that at his age though. perhaps he is aiming for speed, who knows.

i hope froch does not come in complacent. didn't he basically say "all i have to do is turn up to win" and "i'll win every round easily"? if he uses a lazy jab then an old pro like johnson will not hesitate to pounce on a mistake like that with a straight right. if you don't keep that jab in his face - like clinton woods - and if you spend too much time on the ropes - woods again - then you're just giving a pro like johnson the chance to work you over.

i think froch has to fight an absolutely focused fight, staying behind that jab and absolutely refusing to stay on the ropes. just because he did that to abraham, doesn't mean he can do it to the more experienced johnson. hopefully he can break johnson down and get his 2nd stoppage win in world title bouts, and be the second man to have stopped glen.

[Autobarn]

A bit of perspective, Johnson isn't an all time great. In the rematch Tarver did a number of Johnson. I think the cards were kind on Johnson, as they were in the Dawson fights (both IMO).

Tough ombre, and I was so delighted when he made some cash and won the world title, but not a great. Froch SHOULD do a number on him.

of course he's not great but he continues to surprise (many felt he beat dawson the first time), especially when coming into super 6 as a substitute and doing us all a favour by knocking out allan green. a persistent pro and if you make sloppy mistakes - as froch often does - then glen will capitalise, big time.

re the tarver fights. johnson was out of shape for the rematch, basically taking the HBO payday by accepting the fight when he'd been over the weight. he was poor and sluggish that night, and tarver basically slapped him through a very poor world title fight. i felt johnson deserved to win the first fight, but tarver was overconfident and apparently not in the best of shape.

one thing about johnson is not to underestimate him. tarver dismissed him as a "C-level fighter" (tarver naturally being A+ in his own little world) and then lost to him!

[stujones]

A bit of perspective, Johnson isn't an all time great. In the rematch Tarver did a number of Johnson. I think the cards were kind on Johnson, as they were in the Dawson fights (both IMO).

Tough ombre, and I was so delighted when he made some cash and won the world title, but not a great. Froch SHOULD do a number on him.

of course he's not great but he continues to surprise (many felt he beat dawson the first time), especially when coming into super 6 as a substitute and doing us all a favour by knocking out allan green. a persistent pro and if you make sloppy mistakes - as froch often does - then glen will capitalise, big time.

re the tarver fights. johnson was out of shape for the rematch, basically taking the HBO payday by accepting the fight when he'd been over the weight. he was poor and sluggish that night, and tarver basically slapped him through a very poor world title fight. i felt johnson deserved to win the first fight, but tarver was overconfident and apparently not in the best of shape.

one thing about johnson is not to underestimate him. tarver dismissed him as a "C-level fighter" (tarver naturally being A+ in his own little world) and then lost to him!

Good points, I don't think Froch would have underestimated him. He can be lazy in the ring but he is not lazy in the gym. I agree with everything you say. I feel Froch should wear him down and stop him late. People seem to have forgotton how much he was gassing in the final fights with Woods. Argueably lost the majority of the last 6 rounds. Plus Allan Green was beating him at the time of the stoppage. Glen did do us all a favour, but it is Allan Green the weak link of the tournament. If Allan Green can outbox him, so can Froch - comfortably.

Good post Autobarn, I do agree - well except for the Dawson first fight. I fail to see the controvesy there.

[Autobarn]

i didn't feel green was outboxing glen.

anyway, i agree. glen tired badly in the first and third woods fights. enough for woods to nick the win in fight 3, and enough for woods to scrape a draw in the first (i felt glen was knocked down in that first fight).

you could make a case that glen is an 8-round fighter because he has slowed down in the final third of many important fights. he is a bit of a "boy who cries wolf", the way he yells robbery after close fights he basically faded out of.

froch will get some stick if he doesn't win impressively.

i wonder, will glen go for broke in this one, not wanting to go late?

[CiganoBoxer]

Froch is gonna beat Glen...maybe stop him to

[Old bones Ian]

Johnson was never a big lightheavy , his average weight there was 173, and he seems to come into big fights making sure he's done the weight with plenty to spare.

[tonyevs]

Perhaps Johnson need 43 bums in his home town before going out there, taking Clinton's IBF, then knocking out Roy Jones and outpointing Tarver ?

Perhaps he would be considered an all-time great by some armchair fans.

So feared that even fellow belt holders withdraw from 3 consecutive fights with him.

Never takes you long to bring Calzaghe into this for a bit of bashing eh Gomez ..

Do you rate this version of Johnson as something really special then?
even at this new lower weight? .. at the tail end of his career??

I got the utmost respect for Glencoffe Johnson (as I do Carl Froch).
But the wins over the 3names Gomez highlighted may have some value - but they were not really special at that stage of their career when Johnson beat them were they? some will argue two of them were not much cop at any stage of their career ..
Johnson is now at the very tail end of his career .. he ain`t no Bernard Hopkins. Or even doing what Hopkins does when choosing his opponents

That said. I think he will have enough left to make Carl work hard .. there is no guarantee of course at his age and at a lower weight.
But .. why let that get in the way of a bit of pointless Calzaghe-bashing eh Gomez ... after all .. Froch would be nothing if he wasn`t connected to Calzaghes name now would he??

I never even mentioned Calzaghe did I ?

"Johnson is no great by a long shot - but then neither is Froch." - now suddenly you have the "utmost respect for Froch"

And if Roy Jones was not something special back then - what was he four years later ?

Hopkins, is that the guy who got dropped twice by Pascal and lost twice to Jermain Taylor ? the one who got robbed blind against Calzaghe despite dropping him like a sack of bricks. Poor Bernie , don't have much luck does he.

Of course you didn`t mention Calzaghes name ... then again your reference was pretty clear to understand - especially with your obsession with, or should that be, against Calzaghe

I certainly do have the utmost respect for Carl Froch. I did think he was a cock earlier on, for his continuous Calzaghe obsession .. but he has now moved on from there .. maybe a lesson there for you aswell my friend?
But now the respect for him is there. I have continually described Carl Froch as the best value British World champion we currently have...and believe every word.

But Roy Jones Jr. certainly wasn`t at his once great self against Calzaghe, who could say differently? and nobody could say he was at his once great self against Johnson either for that case.
And Yes. We are talking about the same Bernard Hopkins who got dropped by Pascal. The same Pascal that he absolutely schooled aside from those knockdowns .. in two different fights. So as to prove it was no fluke.
And as for Bernard getting robbed against Calzaghe .. to the unbiased observer .. was it a worse result than the Froch V Dirrel verdict?

[whiskey]

Tony your like a moth to a flame.

[tonyevs]

busted

[gobbles]

Johnson looked drained to the bone apparently.

But the big news is a massive fight nearly broke out, when McCracken claims the gloves the promoters served up were "illegal" and several people got heated and thrown out the venue.

It stems from the fact that certain types of gloves were thrown out during the Abraham fight for non-compliance, but now there being introduced for this fight.

Story I was told was that Froch's family all went along to the rules meeting and then his mum started asking questions at the meeting. The New Jersey commissioner then stopped the meeting and threw out everyone who wasn't licensed.

[Final round]

Weigh-in pictures are meaningless. Johnson may look 'bonedry' but he will have around 36 hours to rehydrate his body and could step into the ring around 185 lbs which will be a good weight for him.

An example of someone looking absolutely dead at the weigh-in was Brandon Rios against Miguel Acosta but come fight time he'd rehydrated and was healthy and strong.

Good lord, Rios looks ill there.

Hatton at the Pacquaio weigh in looked grim too.

[WildWaylon]

Johnson seems to have been around forever. Hes tough. never gives up and should provide a good show. I dont think he will have enough for Froch though. I think Froch will get the points win or a late stoppage. Taylor and Kessler were much tougher opponents for Froch, they both outpointed him but Froch got the KO late over Taylor. Interesting though Johnson is certainly not there to make the number up.