I think max baer would be able to take him in a 7th round KO.....Max would jump out early throwing haymackers and then ease off and let dempsey wear himself out in the middle rounds then come out like a bull in the 7th and score an early round knockout...
another great fight- Rocky Marciano VS Muhammed Ali
Jack Dempsey VS Max Baer
Both men have to get up off the floor as they trade knock downs early on. Baer has the skill but Jack just wants it more and is prepared to push hismelf further than Max. I think it's all over by the 6th. Baer catches Jack with a big one, moves in for the kill and walks onto a left hook that leaves him out cold.
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Rory McCloskey
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i think max baer would have been a top 5 heavyweight of all time if he trained right, stayed away from the ladies, didnt get disqalified alot (first 2 losses) and if he didnt clown around in the ring... so i think in this fight it all depends on which max baer comes out.. if the viscous blood thirsty baer comes out, goodnight dempsey, but if baer comes out half heartidly and not interested, then dempsey ko's him in the first round, you dont clown around with all time greats is the lesson baer learns..
most likely to happen....... baer comes out in all seriousness for the first 2 rounds, beats dempsey up pretty badly, and the clown comes out, dempsey handles bear until the 7 when baer comes out of his corner and floors dempsey with a quik right hook..dempsey gets up and exchanged blows with baer...baer cools it off in round 9 and dempsey comes out swinging and baer is floored twice before Dempsey wins in the 9th round by tko
most likely to happen....... baer comes out in all seriousness for the first 2 rounds, beats dempsey up pretty badly, and the clown comes out, dempsey handles bear until the 7 when baer comes out of his corner and floors dempsey with a quik right hook..dempsey gets up and exchanged blows with baer...baer cools it off in round 9 and dempsey comes out swinging and baer is floored twice before Dempsey wins in the 9th round by tko
Hey Rory, why do I get the feeling you are trying to play up Max Baer as it only helps make your favorite fighter Braddock look better?
Baer was not on the level of Dempsey. Jack has a rock solid chin, and dynamite in his hands. He was a relentless fighter, who had fast hands at that.
Baer would load up and get tagged by the faster Dempsey. Dempsey may take some shots, but he coud take it. He was tough.
Baer had more to work on then just his training to be a top 5 heavyweight...like his shady defense, and wide open offense. Baer does not make the top ten.
BTW Ali would destroy Rocky. The Rock ate punches way too much, was way too slow, too slow feet, was too small (don't bother with comparisons to Frazier. Frazier was a 210 pound heavy, while Rocky was 185), and had only one game plan.
Beaten used up Walcott and Charles and a severly washed up Louis may impress some, but it hardly is anything to compare to Ali's career. Rocky came at the right time and left at the right time.
Baer was not on the level of Dempsey. Jack has a rock solid chin, and dynamite in his hands. He was a relentless fighter, who had fast hands at that.
Baer would load up and get tagged by the faster Dempsey. Dempsey may take some shots, but he coud take it. He was tough.
Baer had more to work on then just his training to be a top 5 heavyweight...like his shady defense, and wide open offense. Baer does not make the top ten.
BTW Ali would destroy Rocky. The Rock ate punches way too much, was way too slow, too slow feet, was too small (don't bother with comparisons to Frazier. Frazier was a 210 pound heavy, while Rocky was 185), and had only one game plan.
Beaten used up Walcott and Charles and a severly washed up Louis may impress some, but it hardly is anything to compare to Ali's career. Rocky came at the right time and left at the right time.
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BrocktonBlockbuster49
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6 pack wrote:
and btw, if u wanna take this to another thread just say so because u havnt given me any good arguements yet.
o yeah and frazier at his best was at 205lbs. and marciano 185 had the strength, muscle and power of a much bigger man.
2nd time u tried to to diminish marcianos accomplishments on a NON RELATED MARCIANO TOPIC.TW Ali would destroy Rocky. The Rock ate punches way too much, was way too slow, too slow feet, was too small (don't bother with comparisons to Frazier. Frazier was a 210 pound heavy, while Rocky was 185), and had only one game plan.
Beaten used up Walcott and Charles and a severly washed up Louis may impress some, but it hardly is anything to compare to Ali's career. Rocky came at the right time and left at the right time.
and btw, if u wanna take this to another thread just say so because u havnt given me any good arguements yet.
o yeah and frazier at his best was at 205lbs. and marciano 185 had the strength, muscle and power of a much bigger man.
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Rory McCloskey
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nahh im not trying to build him up...but the only man dempsey faced that was of baers level was tunney i beleive..and that didnt end up well, im not saying dempsey was a bum..i think hes a phenominal boxer, even better then baer but i think baer could get a lucky shot in there...de
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:6 pack wrote:2nd time u tried to to diminish marcianos accomplishments on a NON RELATED MARCIANO TOPIC.TW Ali would destroy Rocky. The Rock ate punches way too much, was way too slow, too slow feet, was too small (don't bother with comparisons to Frazier. Frazier was a 210 pound heavy, while Rocky was 185), and had only one game plan.
Beaten used up Walcott and Charles and a severly washed up Louis may impress some, but it hardly is anything to compare to Ali's career. Rocky came at the right time and left at the right time.
and btw, if u wanna take this to another thread just say so because u havnt given me any good arguements yet.
o yeah and frazier at his best was at 205lbs. and marciano 185 had the strength, muscle and power of a much bigger man.
Actually, the thread started offered Ali-Marciano, not me, I didn't just pull that fight out of my hat.
As for my points...The Rock would not have beaten Ali, period. I don't think I need a laundry list of points to justify that. Nothing Rocky accomplished would lead me to believe he was capable of defeating Ali.
Rocky was a hell of a heavyweight, but the stigma attached to him retiring before he was defeated has made some turn his boxing career almost mythical. It is as if because he didn't loose in his career, that he could not loose.
Instead I look at fighters as who they have beaten, as oppose to how they did not loose to. For instance, while Ali has lost to Ken Norton, Joe Frazier, Leon Spinks, Larry Holmes, and Trevor Berbick, he has beaten Ken Norton, Joe Frazier, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, George Foreman, etc.
Rocky did beat some decent heavyweights, and is an all-time great, but I have run into sooo many who seem to not be able to get over the fact that he did not loose to so and so, and take that as a reason to proclaim him unbeatable.
I am not sure how Rocky would have done in ALi's era, but I am sure he would not have escaped without a loss. I also think Sonny Liston and Floyd Patterson would have been very dangerous opponents for Rocky (I would pick Liston over him).
BTW these are not non-Marciano topics. I am not looking for reasons to dis the Rock. Rocky was tough as hell, and a hell of a fighter, but I do feel he is over-rated (the topic of the one thread) by some who take him retiring undefeated as a sign of him being unbeatable, and that in an Ali-Rocky clash, I think Ali wins it pretty clrealy (which was in this thread).
I am not going out of my way to diss the Rock.
Re: baer
I think you are underrating Dempsey's opposition. Luis Firpo-Max Baer is a 50-50 fight with wild swinging bombs on both sides. Bill Brennan was extremely tough and was up on points aginst Dempsey in their title fight before a 12th round KO. He would have boxed well against Baer. Tommy Gibbons is a better boxer than Braddock, and he would have given Baer problems if he stayed away from those telegraphed punches.Rory McCloskey wrote:nahh im not trying to build him up...but the only man dempsey faced that was of baers level was tunney i beleive..and that didnt end up well, im not saying dempsey was a bum..i think hes a phenominal boxer, even better then baer but i think baer could get a lucky shot in there...de
Baer lacked the ring personality to be a great fighter. Maybe if Campbell and Schaaf never died, he would have been meaner in the ring once he held the title and used his physical gifts. Instead, he clowned it all away.