Mayweather P4P status - needs dropping

[whiskey]

Personally I think his record is now becoming a bit of a joke.

How he lords it as pound-for-pound and fights the cack that he often does is beyond me. I think it's about time he faced the music and was dropped down to at least the bottom half of the top 10 at least.

His big name at 140 was a shot to sh*t Arturo Gatti, who became a whipping boy in subsequent fights for the likes of Alfonso Gomez, a man who Cotto toyed with.

Then his debut at Welter came against an old & wrinkly Sharmba Mitchell.

Step up Zab Judah, who had already verbally agreed to fight Mayweather, then lost his titles to Carlos Baldomir - yet Floydy fought Zab anyway.

Mayweather then refused to fight Margarito and fought El Potatoe Baldomir himself - punters roundly booed and left from the 8th round onwards.

His big 'name' came in the shape of Oscar, who rolled the dice one last time are was unlucky in some people's eyes that he lost.

Then he boxed a light-welterweight (Hatton) a Super Featherweight (Marquez) a shell of Shane Mosley and now a career-long light-welterweight who lost to Maidana (Victor Ortiz).

[LeedsLad]

He's not had a fight in a year so isn't even on mine.

1. Pacquiao
2. Marquez
3. Martinez
4. Hopkins
5. Klitschko
6. Donaire
7. Gamboa
8. Ward
9. Froch
10. Bradley

[Scottrf]

He is out of the Ring Magazine P4P list.

[johnswan1]

I think Ortiz is the best fight he could have taken at the weight right now outside of Pac. Forget about his loss to Maidana as Mayweather is a completely different proposition. Ortiz is young, hungry, is a southpaw, and can punch. It'll be the first fighter in his prime that Mayweather has fought and he looks strong at the weight, despite having only one fight as a Welter. He has also been busy, having fought five times since the beginning of 2010. I honestly think it's a dangerous fight for Floyd, whom has only fought twice since 2007, and those bouts were against a blown up Lightweight in Marquez and a Mosley whom was no longer able to pull the trigger. As much as I hate him, I don't think he can be criticised for this one - provided he's using it as a comeback fight before the big one with Pac next year.

[LeedsLad]

He won't fight Pacquiao at any point, unless Manny all of a sudden becomes washed up.

This is probably the riskiest fight Floyd has taken for at least seven or eight years, in that the man is at his natural weight and in his prime. The only problem is that he drew with Lamont Peterson not long back. Hardly the greatest formline.

Hopefully Ortiz bashes him up, hopefully then we'll have heard the last of the great pretender.

[whiskey]

He won't fight Pacquiao at any point, unless Manny all of a sudden becomes washed up.

This is probably the riskiest fight Floyd has taken for at least seven or eight years, in that the man is at his natural weight and in his prime. The only problem is that he drew with Lamont Peterson not long back. Hardly the greatest formline.

Hopefully Ortiz bashes him up, hopefully then we'll have heard the last of the great pretender.

Agree with that LeedsLad.

Ortiz needs to throw from the first to the last and hope something sticks.

Otherwise it's a no brainer UD for Floydy.

[JamesH]

Wasn't it Pacman who didn't want the additional drug testing? Or was that a smokescreen for the fight not to happen? Did he agree to it in the end and then Floyd backed out? The saga has been going on so long I genuinely can't remember. For the little it's worth I think Floyd outpoints him.

[jamesmcdonnell]

It does seem that Floyd is extremely reluctant to face Pacman - I still think he'd beat him, but Mayweather just seems to want to take the path of lease resistance. This is the best fight he's had in many years, and I wonder whether he might be pushed very close or even lose. Although Floyd has improved since I think, insofar as he has become far better at fighting in a defensive posture that's almost impossible to get through, he struggled with a fighter similar to Ortiz many years ago in Castillo, who was able to keep him under pressure.

Floyd's been inactive for a while, and at his age, and with his style of fighting, you never know when he's going to slip just that bit that allows his opponents to be able to catch him with shots he would have evaded before.

[Trojans44]

Personally I think his record is now becoming a bit of a joke.

How he lords it as pound-for-pound and fights the cack that he often does is beyond me. I think it's about time he faced the music and was dropped down to at least the bottom half of the top 10 at least.

His big name at 140 was a shot to sh*t Arturo Gatti, who became a whipping boy in subsequent fights for the likes of Alfonso Gomez, a man who Cotto toyed with.

Then his debut at Welter came against an old & wrinkly Sharmba Mitchell.

Step up Zab Judah, who had already verbally agreed to fight Mayweather, then lost his titles to Carlos Baldomir - yet Floydy fought Zab anyway.

Mayweather then refused to fight Margarito and fought El Potatoe Baldomir himself - punters roundly booed and left from the 8th round onwards.

His big 'name' came in the shape of Oscar, who rolled the dice one last time are was unlucky in some people's eyes that he lost.

Then he boxed a light-welterweight (Hatton) a Super Featherweight (Marquez) a shell of Shane Mosley and now a career-long light-welterweight who lost to Maidana (Victor Ortiz).

You convieniently forget to mention that Judah had only just lost the undisputed 147 crown to Baldomir who Floyd fought next. Hardly a ridiculous path. Hatton was undefeated and the undisputed champ at 140, hardly a terrible fight. You dont give any credit for completely destroying fighters like Gatti, Corrales, Castillo (2nd fight), Hatton, Judah, Baldomir, Marquez and Mosley.

[whiskey]

You convieniently forget to mention that Judah had only just lost the undisputed 147 crown to Baldomir who Floyd fought next. Hardly a ridiculous path. Hatton was undefeated and the undisputed champ at 140, hardly a terrible fight. You dont give any credit for completely destroying fighters like Gatti, Corrales, Castillo (2nd fight), Hatton, Judah, Baldomir, Marquez and Mosley.

Conveniently forget he LOST ? he fought a guy coming straight off a loss, despite everyone laughing about it.

Gatti - Shot
Mosley - Shot
Baldomir - dont make me laugh
Judah - lost to Baldomir
Hatton - Great Victory over a smaller guy
Marquez - Great performance - Over a much much smaller guy with no business at welter. Floyd didnt even honour catchweight.

Corrales was a good win, but a decade ago.

The above does not allow himself to declare he is the P4P #1

Cotto has a better record. And his two losses come to fighters that Floyd ducked.

And he's fighting a career light-welter in Ortiz.

Where was Paul Willaims ? Margarito, Cotto, Pacquiao - even Collazo, Berto, Cintron ? = no he fights Marquez

[LeedsLad]

Plus, some of the guys he fought..... should have got them out of there.

Should have been stoppages over Zab and Marquez as a minimum, plus probably Mosley too.

[whiskey]

Exactly Leedslad.

Floyd has talent to burn but his record at the weightclass is

[bruthead]

Floyd is still P4P Number 1.

Did you guys even watch the Mosley fight?

Floyd is easily the best boxer out there today.

Understand that.

[whiskey]

Floyd is still P4P Number 1.

Did you guys even watch the Mosley fight?

Is that the one when a wrinkly Mosley nearly sparked Floyd out ?

People with lesser skills are battering people that Floyd have fought.

Saul Alvarez knocked out Baldomir in 5 rounds. Pacquiao knocked Hatton out brutally in 3 rounds. Kostya beat Judah in 2 rounds. Forrest had a prime Mosley on queer street, Mosley tried to quit against Pacquiao and got floored.

No way on earth Floyd is no1 - and he never will be until he defeats Pacquiao. Infact he's lucky to be top 3 with the dross he's fought. Hopkins is higher in my book. Martinez is making a case.

Floyd has barely fought for ages, when he has they've been smaller guys who are either not in their prime, or not even the linear champion from the weight below.

[LeedsLad]

Marquez is higher too.

I love Floyd fans and their defence of their hero.

''LOL - you think Cotto/Margarito/Clottey etc etc would have had a chance of beating him???''

Well...... they're better welters than Baldomir, Zab and Hatton

It's either that or ''he doesn't have to fight them because he'd beat them anyway''

Oh, so Leonard didn't have to fight Hearns, Duran and Benitez, then?

[Final round]

I still believe he's one of the p4p best fighters in the world no doubt, there is no evidence that Floyd's skills are slipping.
I believe he destroyed Mosley's confidence in himself as a fighter. Mosley was coming in full of beans after the slaying of Margarito since then he's looked a shell of the fighter he once was.
Floyd made a mockery of the far smaller Marquez. Reduced him to a sparring partner, nobody does that to Marquez.

[whiskey]

I still believe he's one of the p4p best fighters in the world no doubt, there is no evidence that Floyd's skills are slipping.
I believe he destroyed Mosley's confidence in himself as a fighter. Mosley was coming in full of beans after the slaying of Margarito since then he's looked a shell of the fighter he once was.
Floyd made a mockery of the far smaller Marquez. Reduced him to a sparring partner, nobody does that to Marquez.

Yiur dead right mate - but would Margarito carry Marquez 12 rounds ? or Cotto?

I think they'd have bust him up, regardless of talent personally.

Floyd was so dominant, yet couldn't end it.

[Final round]

I still believe he's one of the p4p best fighters in the world no doubt, there is no evidence that Floyd's skills are slipping.
I believe he destroyed Mosley's confidence in himself as a fighter. Mosley was coming in full of beans after the slaying of Margarito since then he's looked a shell of the fighter he once was.
Floyd made a mockery of the far smaller Marquez. Reduced him to a sparring partner, nobody does that to Marquez.

Yiur dead right mate - but would Margarito carry Marquez 12 rounds ? or Cotto?

I think they'd have bust him up, regardless of talent personally.

Floyd was so dominant, yet couldn't end it.

Yeah I agree mate they would have bullied Marquez out of there but that's Floyd he's loves being in the comfort zone all the way to the finish line which makes things pretty boring in my eyes but...

What's been Floyd's most exciting fight for you of the list you did?

Gatti - Shot
Mosley - Shot
Baldomir - dont make me laugh
Judah - lost to Baldomir
Hatton - Great Victory over a smaller guy
Marquez - Great performance - Over a much much smaller guy with no business at welter. Floyd didnt even honour catchweight.


IMO it's Hatton his come forward at all costs aggression brought that out of him.

[LeedsLad]

To be fair, I don't think Cotto would have an easy night against Marquez.

He'd win, probably by KO late but would look like gash all night.

[observer1]

You convieniently forget to mention that Judah had only just lost the undisputed 147 crown to Baldomir who Floyd fought next. Hardly a ridiculous path. Hatton was undefeated and the undisputed champ at 140, hardly a terrible fight. You dont give any credit for completely destroying fighters like Gatti, Corrales, Castillo (2nd fight), Hatton, Judah, Baldomir, Marquez and Mosley.

Conveniently forget he LOST ? he fought a guy coming straight off a loss, despite everyone laughing about it.

Gatti - Shot
Mosley - Shot
Baldomir - dont make me laugh
Judah - lost to Baldomir
Hatton - Great Victory over a smaller guy
Marquez - Great performance - Over a much much smaller guy with no business at welter. Floyd didnt even honour catchweight.

Corrales was a good win, but a decade ago.

The above does not allow himself to declare he is the P4P #1

Cotto has a better record. And his two losses come to fighters that Floyd ducked.

And he's fighting a career light-welter in Ortiz.

Where was Paul Willaims ? Margarito, Cotto, Pacquiao - even Collazo, Berto, Cintron ? = no he fights Marquez

I cant stand Floyd, but even that is a bit harsh.

Out Curiosity Gomez, If you think Mayweather's career is a bit of a fraud riddle question mark, what's your opinion on calzaghe and his biggest wins... ?

[CiganoBoxer]

Someone please tell me has there ever been a fighter make as many excuses or want as many options as Mayweather has to fight Pac ?? ...most people think he will beat pac regardless of any test so why all the excuses ??

[ALI]

Floyd is still P4P Number 1.

Did you guys even watch the Mosley fight?

Floyd is easily the best boxer out there today.

Understand that.

A knowing fool......

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom.

[ALI]

Any fighter who consistently refuses to put it all on the line should not be ranked in the top 10 P4P rankings. Mayweather has consistently dodged his biggest challenges, therefor it is my opinion he should be ranked outside of the top 10.

Great talent, but unwilling to put it all on the line. Had he fought the likes of Freitas, Casamayor, Tyszu, Margarito, Cotto, Williams perhaps his zero would have gone a long time ago. Like most, i think he'd have beaten them all, but due to his reluctance to fight the very best, we'll never know. Therefore he should not be rated, get him out of the P4P rankings!

[LeedsLad]

Agreed.

He's obsessed with not being beaten.

A wise man once told me - ''in defeat, a winner is born. the next time, the winner will not be defeated''.

[bruthead]

Floyd is obsessed with not getting beaten and that is to his detriment.

All the same it is facile to suggest Floyd has avoided people like Cotto, Williams and Margarito. Floyd would take those guys to school.

You can argue Floyd is avoiding Manny but it's all very thorny.

At the end of the day Floyd is right about the need for better drug testing in boxing. Manny is more at fault than Floyd.

Many people don't understand Floyd's style. He doesn't really come into the fight with a gameplan which is why he often starts slow. Floyd just waits to see what his opponent is doing, figures out how to counter it, and then cruises to the UD.

Mosley caught Floyd twice last year but Floyd sussed Mosley's gameplan out very quickly, reacted to it, and then embarrassed Mosley.

Nobody else can do that. Hopkins is the closest but he's an old man now.

That's why Floyd is Number 1.

Understand that.