Mayweather P4P status - needs dropping

[bruthead]

Also, there is a decent chance, were Floyd to fight Pacquiao, and beat him, which he would, that the judges would still give the fight to Manny.

As Roger Mayweather says: "Most people don't know shit about boxing."

Including a lot of judges.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=555&cat=boxer

4 Losses, and 1 Draw.

Please.

[Gray-Fox]

YOu lot are just mega trolls.

If you breakdown and analyse Manny and Floyd's careers, I find it amazing that you could even consider Manny better. It boggles the mind.

I'm not even a Floyd lover either, I just like some objectivity.

[LeedsLad]

I do agree about the need for improved drug testing in boxing, and in all sports.

But do you really believe Floyd when he's saying he's doing it for the good of the sport..... or because he's worried about losing?

By coming out with this PEDs stuff he's paid Pacquiao the biggest back handed compliment possible, as if to say ''how can someone be that good without being on something''. I don't believe that Pacquiao is using, all he's doing is the same is what Floyd is doing, not draining and rehydrating, simply fighting at the optimum weight for him and letting his skills do the talking.

As for Pacquiao being the greater of the two, just look at their resumes. Floyd's is full of big names with pretty looking records, many of them on the downside, mixed in with some very solid opponents..... Pacquiao has fought three great Mexicans in their prime, at their optimum weights, plus plenty of other top class fighters throughout his career.

Put it this way, if the two retired without facing each other, who's record does it hurt the most?

The man who fought everybody he could have reasonably expected to fight, or the man who spent the second half of his career in semi retirement?

[Gray-Fox]

I do agree about the need for improved drug testing in boxing, and in all sports.
But do you really believe Floyd when he's saying he's doing it for the good of the sport..... or because he's worried about losing?

Yeah, I do believe him. I also believe he is protecting his own interests, and why shouldn't he? The two motivations are NOT mutually exclusive.

By coming out with this PEDs stuff he's paid Pacquiao the biggest back handed compliment possible, as if to say ''how can someone be that good without being on something''. I don't believe that Pacquiao is using, all he's doing is the same is what Floyd is doing, not draining and rehydrating, simply fighting at the optimum weight for him and letting his skills do the talking.

This is just your interpretation. Manny looks inhuman in terms of bulk and fitness. That does NOT mean he is using. However, I don't believe the Mayweather camp are acting purely from what they've seen. It's likely they are acting from rumblings behind the scenes too. It's a valid concern imo. THAT said, I believe it will come to a point where Floyd will just fight him anyhow, I truly do. Watch this space.

As for Pacquiao being the greater of the two, just look at their resumes. Floyd's is full of big names with pretty looking records, many of them on the downside, mixed in with some very solid opponents..... Pacquiao has fought three great Mexicans in their prime, at their optimum weights, plus plenty of other top class fighters throughout his career.

Agreed, but at lower weights. Since he's moved up through the weights, he's been cherry picking just as much as Floyd - just look at his last 7 fights. Clottey and Cotto were the only people I do give him props for fighting the three great Mexicans however, how can you not? Even though I think Morales was finished at elite level by the time he fought Pacman, and Pacman lost!

Do people seriously think that a guy who Morales and Marquez beat (technically) can beat Floyd Mayweather, really? I don't, and I pray to God Floyd proves people wrong.

[JamesH]

I'm with you Gray-Fox, good post

[Emmseegee]

People constantly mention "hatton was a smaller man, marquez a smaller man" bla bla bla bla bla

Mayweather beats hatton and hes picking on smaller opponents
Yet pacquiao blows hatton away and hes a machine
Mayweather schools marquez and its a mismatch
Pacquiao fights marquez and its a fight the fans want to see!

What would the opinion be if mayweather fought and beat pacquiao?
"was only a matter of time before someone beat pacquiao, hes too small for that weight division, mayweather was too big for him"

Give us a break.

[jaywillo1983]

Manny pacquiao..........The king of catchweights. Pacman vs margarito for the light middle title, yet margarito isn't allowed to weigh at the light middle limit. Pacman beats hatton, who floyd had already ko'd, pacman beats de la hoya (yet another catchweight), floyd had already beaten him, pacman beats Mosley, floyd had already beaten him with one of the best boxing performances in recent years. And now pacman is fighting marquez and guess what, its another catchweight and another fighter who floyd destroyed. There are a few patterns emerging here.

[Ramon3MR]

Most publications, including ours don't have Mayweather in the pound for pound ratings at all.

[Emmseegee]

Mayweather still P4P king for me.

[mickey1975]

You convieniently forget to mention that Judah had only just lost the undisputed 147 crown to Baldomir who Floyd fought next. Hardly a ridiculous path. Hatton was undefeated and the undisputed champ at 140, hardly a terrible fight. You dont give any credit for completely destroying fighters like Gatti, Corrales, Castillo (2nd fight), Hatton, Judah, Baldomir, Marquez and Mosley.

Conveniently forget he LOST ? he fought a guy coming straight off a loss, despite everyone laughing about it.

Gatti - Shot
Mosley - Shot
Baldomir - dont make me laugh
Judah - lost to Baldomir
Hatton - Great Victory over a smaller guy
Marquez - Great performance - Over a much much smaller guy with no business at welter. Floyd didnt even honour catchweight.

Corrales was a good win, but a decade ago.

The above does not allow himself to declare he is the P4P #1

Cotto has a better record. And his two losses come to fighters that Floyd ducked.

And he's fighting a career light-welter in Ortiz.

Where was Paul Willaims ? Margarito, Cotto, Pacquiao - even Collazo, Berto, Cintron ? = no he fights Marquez

I cant stand Floyd, but even that is a bit harsh.

Out Curiosity Gomez, If you think Mayweather's career is a bit of a fraud riddle question mark, what's your opinion on calzaghe and his biggest wins... ?

Well he has already stated Hopkins should be in the top 3 so add that to the peak Kessler win and he would obviously have had him first or second!

[Gray-Fox]

Most publications, including ours don't have Mayweather in the pound for pound ratings at all.

Because no one likes him, that's why.

[Dioufy]

Most publications, including ours don't have Mayweather in the pound for pound ratings at all.

Because no one likes him, that's why.

We don't like him coz he iz black.

[observer1]

Conveniently forget he LOST ? he fought a guy coming straight off a loss, despite everyone laughing about it.

Gatti - Shot
Mosley - Shot
Baldomir - dont make me laugh
Judah - lost to Baldomir
Hatton - Great Victory over a smaller guy
Marquez - Great performance - Over a much much smaller guy with no business at welter. Floyd didnt even honour catchweight.

Corrales was a good win, but a decade ago.

The above does not allow himself to declare he is the P4P #1

Cotto has a better record. And his two losses come to fighters that Floyd ducked.

And he's fighting a career light-welter in Ortiz.

Where was Paul Willaims ? Margarito, Cotto, Pacquiao - even Collazo, Berto, Cintron ? = no he fights Marquez

I cant stand Floyd, but even that is a bit harsh.

Out Curiosity Gomez, If you think Mayweather's career is a bit of a fraud riddle question mark, what's your opinion on calzaghe and his biggest wins... ?

Well he has already stated Hopkins should be in the top 3 so add that to the peak Kessler win and he would obviously have had him first or second!

Well considering he thinks Mayweather's best win was 10 years ago against Corrales, it's hypocritical to say Calzaghe is any better, considering his best win was also against an old Hopkins and Kessler and shot to bits RJJ.

It's easy to put holes into anyone's career, be it Maywaether, Pacquaio, Hopkins, Marquez etc.

[mickey1975]

I cant stand Floyd, but even that is a bit harsh.

Out Curiosity Gomez, If you think Mayweather's career is a bit of a fraud riddle question mark, what's your opinion on calzaghe and his biggest wins... ?

Well he has already stated Hopkins should be in the top 3 so add that to the peak Kessler win and he would obviously have had him first or second!

Well considering he thinks Mayweather's best win was 10 years ago against Corrales, it's hypocritical to say Calzaghe is any better, considering his best win was also against an old Hopkins and Kessler and shot to bits RJJ.

It's easy to put holes into anyone's career, be it Maywaether, Pacquaio, Hopkins, Marquez etc.

But the old Hopkins is currently top 3, so Joe's win just keeps getting better.

[observer1]

Well he has already stated Hopkins should be in the top 3 so add that to the peak Kessler win and he would obviously have had him first or second!

Well considering he thinks Mayweather's best win was 10 years ago against Corrales, it's hypocritical to say Calzaghe is any better, considering his best win was also against an old Hopkins and Kessler and shot to bits RJJ.

It's easy to put holes into anyone's career, be it Maywaether, Pacquaio, Hopkins, Marquez etc.

But the old Hopkins is currently top 3, so Joe's win just keeps getting better.

I guess Clinton Mitchell's legacy is also at an all time high too

So is Medgoen 'Medgoen 3-K Battery' Singsurat's over his KO of Pacquiao after what he has achieved over the the last decade

[Gray-Fox]

LOL, good post.

The "A beat B so C must be D" fallacy rarely works in boxing. And Calzone's win was hardly conclusive was it?

[Trojans44]

LOL, good post.

The "A beat B so C must be D" fallacy rarely works in boxing. And Calzone's win was hardly conclusive was it?

Nope it was Hopkins who landed the quality punches.

[Coco]

Few people thought Hopkins won, to get a win by being so negative is almost impossible, JC did all the work, you don't get wins just by making the other fella look bad

[mickey1975]

Few people thought Hopkins won, to get a win by being so negative is almost impossible, JC did all the work, you don't get wins just by making the other fella look bad

You wasting your time, mate. The fact Joe beat Hopkins in America and Bernard has gone on to some great people means nothing to some people on here. He could have beat both Klits in Germany and they would have said is a weak era of Heavyweights!

[observer1]

Few people thought Hopkins won, to get a win by being so negative is almost impossible, JC did all the work, you don't get wins just by making the other fella look bad

You wasting your time, mate. The fact Joe beat Hopkins in America and Bernard has gone on to some great people means nothing to some people on here. He could have beat both Klits in Germany and they would have said is a weak era of Heavyweights!

Dude, i'll the be the first to say Calzaghe is a talanted boxer.

But his fans seem to exaggerate his record massively.
Fact is, he milked the WBO for his entire career.
Winning a dodgy SD against a 43 year old, and shamefully beating up a washed up shot-to-bits RJJ is hardly a defining moment in his career.

regardless of what Hopkins does, it dont mean squat for Joe. Because that bout had no decisive winner.

And if you feel hopkins career has any bearing on Joe's career, i'll quote again for you..

I guess Clinton Mitchell's legacy is also at an all time high too

So is Medgoen 'Medgoen 3-K Battery' Singsurat's over his KO of Pacquiao after what he has achieved over the the last decade

One thing that is certain in Boxing, is that Triangle theories don't work

[mickey1975]

You cant have it both ways. Was Hopkins just a 43 year old or,3 years later is he still a top 5 p4p fighter? I would say the Kessler and Lacy wins were actually more career defining considering they were undefeated champions going in. Amazingly, with hindsight, Lacy was a favourite and the manner of Joe's performance made him an overnight star, 9 years after winning the title! Not trying to defend the crap he fought either, mate.

[Gray-Fox]

Back to the topic, the fact is that Pacquaio has/will faced about four opponents that Floyd had already dispatched of, and people wanna talk about how great he is?

#headasplode

[observer1]

You cant have it both ways. Was Hopkins just a 43 year old or,3 years later is he still a top 5 p4p fighter? I would say the Kessler and Lacy wins were actually more career defining considering they were undefeated champions going in. Amazingly, with hindsight, Lacy was a favourite and the manner of Joe's performance made him an overnight star, 9 years after winning the title! Not trying to defend the crap he fought either, mate.

Calling Lacy an undefeated champion is pushing it. He was a 21-0 belt holder of a very poor division. He was worse than a has-been as he was a never-was.

Don't get me wrong, Joe was a tremendous boxer, but to say he fulfilled his talent against Lacy and the two pensioners is more of an insult than a compliment.

Face it, we never got to see the best of Joe, and like Mayweather, we would have only seen the the best once they got rid of that '0'

[Counter-puncher]

Calling Lacy an undefeated champion is pushing it. He was a 21-0 belt holder

[Counter-puncher]

you don't get wins just by making the other fella look bad

no, but punching the other guy repeatedly in the face does help, somewhat.....