Mayweather-Ortiz done for Sept 17

[earsjohn]

Lads, all Manny has to do is take the tests. Thousands of Olympic athletes do the same without moaning about affecting perfomance. It casts serious doubts over Manny and there will always be a question mark over his legacy if the fight does not happen because of this. Floyd is right. If he was suspicious to begin with, i bet now he is just convinced he is on the gear.

And thus you prove Floyds original intention successful. This was never about PEDS, it was about control and casting doubt. It's not as if Manny was refusing to take standard tests that are required by every boxer but he refused to sign up to Floyds specific demands over testing that is not carried out on any other boxer competing. And that was only initially...After negotiation, didn't Manny cede to Floyds demands but by that time Floyd was enjoying his time out.

[mickey1975]

Lads, all Manny has to do is take the tests. Thousands of Olympic athletes do the same without moaning about affecting perfomance. It casts serious doubts over Manny and there will always be a question mark over his legacy if the fight does not happen because of this. Floyd is right. If he was suspicious to begin with, i bet now he is just convinced he is on the gear.

And thus you prove Floyds original intention successful. This was never about PEDS, it was about control and casting doubt. It's not as if Manny was refusing to take standard tests that are required by every boxer but he refused to sign up to Floyds specific demands over testing that is not carried out on any other boxer competing. And that was only initially...After negotiation, didn't Manny cede to Floyds demands but by that time Floyd was enjoying his time out.

So what, if he is clean then just take them. Its like the petty arguments Haye and Klit had. They got sorted because they wanted to fight. Manny cannot seriously turn this fight down on a point of principle.

[earsjohn]

Lads, all Manny has to do is take the tests. Thousands of Olympic athletes do the same without moaning about affecting perfomance. It casts serious doubts over Manny and there will always be a question mark over his legacy if the fight does not happen because of this. Floyd is right. If he was suspicious to begin with, i bet now he is just convinced he is on the gear.

And thus you prove Floyds original intention successful. This was never about PEDS, it was about control and casting doubt. It's not as if Manny was refusing to take standard tests that are required by every boxer but he refused to sign up to Floyds specific demands over testing that is not carried out on any other boxer competing. And that was only initially...After negotiation, didn't Manny cede to Floyds demands but by that time Floyd was enjoying his time out.

So what, if he is clean then just take them. Its like the petty arguments Haye and Klit had. They got sorted because they wanted to fight. Manny cannot seriously turn this fight down on a point of principle.

He's said he'll take them. The ball is in Floyds court, yet he's decided to go with Ortiz.

Fundamentally though, it should NEVER be a boxer determining the drug testing requirements, it should be the responsibility of the sport.

The reasoning that Floyd defenders use is that Manny must be on PEDs because he hasn't taken the tests. B-Hop, Carl Froch, Wlad Klitschko, Nonito Donaire and Sergio Martinez have never taken the tests the Floyd is demanding of Manny; should we assume they are on PEDs? Prior to the Mosley fight, Floyd had never taken the tests, surely we have to assume that he was dirty as he never proved otherwise? It's specious reasoning taken to the extreme.

[Gray-Fox]

He's said he'll take them. The ball is in Floyds court, yet he's decided to go with Ortiz.

Let's see what happens after Floyd beats Ortiz (if he does). He's entitled to a warm up after having 16 months out.

Fundamentally though, it should NEVER be a boxer determining the drug testing requirements, it should be the responsibility of the sport.

Awww, how sweet this sounds. We all know that the boxing establishment is corrupt. They don't care about Floyd, they just want Manny to win. Do you think anyone cares if Manny beats MW whilst on PEDs? Nope, they just want Floyd out of the game. He does his own thing and isn't pally with anyone or any promoter, he's just in it purely for the money.

The reasoning that Floyd defenders use is that Manny must be on PEDs because he hasn't taken the tests.

No. I'm not a Floyd defender. I actually really like Manny. I'm just looking at it like this...if they both want to fight then they will both have to make concessions. Floyd made loads of concessions vs Oscar for instance: weight, gloves, location, judges etc. All Manny has to do is take Olympic style testing...everything else will likely be in his favour. The media hype, the fans, the judges etc. Is it really too much to ask? If Manny wanted the fight THAT much, they wouldn't get hung up on this control thing. As I said, Floyd has made concessions in the past, why can't Manny and that stupid retarded little toad trainer of his?

B-Hop, Carl Froch, Wlad Klitschko, Nonito Donaire and Sergio Martinez have never taken the tests the Floyd is demanding of Manny; should we assume they are on PEDs?

They don't have the inhuman fitness and bulk that Manny Pacquiao shows increasingly as he's moved through the weights. Also, Roach's gym is associated with PEDs. Ariza, Toney etc. Seems a bit fishy.