How would these fights go

[The Second God]

Dempsey / Louis

Dempsey / Frazier

Ali / Louis

Ali / Dempsey

Duran / Walker

Duran / Langford

Duran / Jenkins

I think they would be all great match-ups but just don't know how they would turn out

[gilgamesh]

Joe Louis KO 9 Jack Dempsey
Joe Frazier W15 Jack Dempsey
Muhammad Ali W15 Joe Louis
Ali W15 Dempsey
Duran KO 4 Lew Jenkins, I assume that's the Jenkins you're talking about

I don't know enough about the other opponents to make a pick

[Adamj1987]

Dempsey / Louis - Louis outboxes Dempsey and KO around 8th, louis had a good chin.

Dempsey / Frazier - Frazier is a better version of Dempsey and the cloest dempsey got to fighting himself was firpo and firpo did quite well so Frazier KO in the later rounds

Ali / Louis - Ali had a top chin as proved by fighting george, ali dances around louis for a points win

Ali / Dempsey - same as the foreman fight

[Panzerfaust]

Walker stops Duran if this fight is at mw.
Same with Langford if at middle or above Duran gets murdered

[The Second God]

Joe Louis KO 9 Jack Dempsey
Joe Frazier W15 Jack Dempsey
Muhammad Ali W15 Joe Louis
Ali W15 Dempsey
Duran KO 4 Lew Jenkins, I assume that's the Jenkins you're talking about

I don't know enough about the other opponents to make a pick

I don't know enough about them either, only from reading. Lew Jenkins has fascinated me from the time I first read of him. Tough guy gets a break and loses it all by accident. 4 rounds sounds good to me. You got to be more than tough if you're in with a prime lighweight Duran.

I feel the same way about Ali / Louis as you do. Ali was too resourceful for the plodding Louis. Louis was a stalker, he had lightning fast hands, but his feet just ambled along and Ali's style could not be stalked effectively by Louis. IMO he was not the same kind of pressure fighter that Frazier was. Louis is great, but his feet are feet of clay in this match-up. Compared to Ali he's stuck in the mud.


The Dempsey /Ali match-up tantalizes me. Dempsey at his best was like Frazier on amphetamines. I just don't know. Frazier beat Ali, could a 190 lb Dempsey blitskrieg do it?

[Ezzard]

Louis-Dempsey

Louis is the big favourite. His straight left and right get there more times than Dempsey’s left hook. But if Dempsey does drop Louis (it’s possible) then he’d have probably as good a shout as anyone ever has of stopping him.

I think Dempsey either jumps on him in the first 4-5 rounds or he gets bashed up and drops himself around 10.


Frazier-Dempsey

It’s Dempsey early or Frazier late. I expect Dempsey early but I’d accept either argument


Ali-Louis

I’d make Ali favourite but it’s a 50-50 fight really and if Louis gets his chance he’ll take it.


Ali-Dempsey

Ali a firm favourite but Dempsey has the left hook. I do think jack would have to change his tactics a little because his early assault would be negated by Ali’s amazing early fight reflexes.


Duran-Walker

At 147 I like Duran, above that I like Walker


Duran-Langford

Hard to pick because of the difference in eras is so big. If we bring them to somewhere in between then I like Duran at 126 and 135… 147 is a toss up and above that it’s all Sam.

[Brett Paul Dunbar]

Ali / Dempsey

It depends which Ali it is the version that fought the first Spinks fight gets annihilated against any halfway decent opponent. While the Dempsey that fought Tunney had severe stamina problems.

Let's specify Dempsey about the time he beat Willard against the Ali that beat Foreman in a fifteen round fight 10 point must scoring. Dempsey has little chance of stopping Ali who had a fantastic chin and a substantial size advantage so the fight goes long. Dempsey really isn't used to that, he only went past the tenth on two occasions and against Tunney requested the fights be set for ten.

Ali is a slow starter and lets Dempsey take several of the earlier rounds but as the fight progresses Dempsey slows a bit and Ali picks him off from the outside and ties up when Dempsey gets inside winning most of the middle rounds and Ali has built a bit of a lead at ten rounds. Dempsey tires badly in the later rounds which he really isn't used to and Ali who is used to long fights and tended to do well in the late rounds sweeps the last five rounds winning 142-138 unless he inflicts enough damage that either the ref steps in or the Dempsey corner pull him out.

[raylawpc]

Ali / Dempsey

It depends which Ali it is the version that fought the first Spinks fight gets annihilated against any halfway decent opponent. While the Dempsey that fought Tunney had severe stamina problems.

Let's specify Dempsey about the time he beat Willard against the Ali that beat Foreman in a fifteen round fight 10 point must scoring. Dempsey has little chance of stopping Ali who had a fantastic chin and a substantial size advantage so the fight goes long. Dempsey really isn't used to that, he only went past the tenth on two occasions and against Tunney requested the fights be set for ten.

Ali is a slow starter and lets Dempsey take several of the earlier rounds but as the fight progresses Dempsey slows a bit and Ali picks him off from the outside and ties up when Dempsey gets inside winning most of the middle rounds and Ali has built a bit of a lead at ten rounds. Dempsey tires badly in the later rounds which he really isn't used to and Ali who is used to long fights and tended to do well in the late rounds sweeps the last five rounds winning 142-138 unless he inflicts enough damage that either the ref steps in or the Dempsey corner pull him out.

Both Pennsylvania and Illinois limited boxing matches to ten rounds. Both parties originally wanted the first fight for NYC, where it would have been a 15-rounder. Good thing for Dempsey that they didn't make the fight in NY because I doubt he would have seen the end of the 15th round.

[elmersalsa]

Dempsey / Louis

Dempsey / Frazier

Ali / Louis

Ali / Dempsey

Duran / Walker

Duran / Langford

Duran / Jenkins

I think they would be all great match-ups but just don't know how they would turn out

Frazier by TKO in 6
Ali by TKO in 10...Too fast for Louis
Ali by TKO in 10...Dempsey too small for Ali
Duran wins at welterweight vs Walker...Loses by decision at middleweight
Duran loses to Langford above welterweight.
Duran wins by KO vs Jenkins in 8...Jenkins was one dimensional.

[crusader]

As far as the HW fights go....

Frazier over Dempsey
Louis over Dempsey
Ali over Dempsey
Ali over Louis