ALI VS. TYSON

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 06 Jul 2005, 11:01

Cojimar 1945 wrote:In Tyson's case it really seems that Tyson's youth did not prevent his skills from deteorating considerably.

"Tyson's youth did not prevent prevent his skills from deteriorating"?

GIVE ME A BREAK!

More like Tyson's lack of dedication, lack of training & partying...

Tyson still had considerable power but it seems that he lost the handspeed and movement he exhibited in his prime by the time he fought Douglas.

You don't 'lose' handspeed and movement when you're 24 unless you're sick, or were in an accident, or doping, or injured somehow...one doesn't 'naturally' slow down at that age, the way you might when you're 34...
and...he was in his prime for Douglas...not everyone goes undefeated in their prime! The vast majority of boxers lose fights 'in their prime'
Just because you lose a fight DOES NOT MEAN YOUR PRIME HAS ENDED!
Tyson still had all the skills during Douglas, and after Douglas...HE ALSO HAD FLAWS THAT WERE EXPOSED AND EXPLOITED BY DOUGLAS...IN HIS PRIME!!!!!!!!

Everybody seems to want to make excuses for 'poor Mike'...Mike was always in charge of his own destiny! Mike still had the skills up through the Holyfield fights...Mike turned out to be a big heartless puss...now that's why he lost, in his prime!

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 06 Jul 2005, 11:06

KOJOE90 wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:speaking of chamberlin, i would have love to see his tall ass get knocked out by muhammad ali. TIMBERRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What do you think Wilt's reach was?

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 06 Jul 2005, 12:10

probably over 90 inches

Sweet Scientist. its not like douglas is a true all time great. he didnt exploit tysons flaws nor did he beat tyson. TYSON BEAT HIMSELF. HE DIDNT TRAIN HARD, NO MOTIVATION, DIDNT HAVE KEVIN ROONEY, AND WAS MENTALLY ILL. DOUGLAS WAS PROBABLY THE WORST OF ALL TYSON CHALLENGERS BESIDES TYRELL BIGGS

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 06 Jul 2005, 12:27

Sweet Scientist wrote:
KOJOE90 wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:speaking of chamberlin, i would have love to see his tall ass get knocked out by muhammad ali. TIMBERRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What do you think Wilt's reach was?

What really would have happened if Muhammad Ali faced Wilt Chamberlain?

Wilt has to be in the top 10 - 20 athletes of all time.

He was in tremendous shape, A world class weight lifter, 7'0 tall with a ridiculous reach and he wasn't a big clumsy giant either he was very agile, he holds his state high school record for the long jump and 100 meter dash.

I actually believe that he would've beaten Ali and when he did there would be lot's of giants boxing instead of playing basketball.

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 06 Jul 2005, 12:39

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:probably over 90 inches

Sweet Scientist. its not like douglas is a true all time great.

...obviously, he didn't have to be...which is why true all time greats would beat Tyson...

he didnt exploit tysons flaws nor did he beat tyson.

...actually, he did...but even if he didn't (which he did), what do you think that says about Tyson? All time champion calibre? No way...you can't name another heavyweight (considered to be an all time great) that didn't win a meaningful fight after age 24...

I noticed 'flaws' in Tyson when he fought Quick Tillis...Tillis couldn't exploit them...Douglas was able to...Tyson got frustrated and irratated when the guy in front of him wouldn't go down...later (against Holyfield) he would become completely unraveled (ear biting)...Is that the mark of an all time champion? Bite someone like a mad dog as soon as he realizes he can't win? You think Marciano would have done something like that? You think anybody other than Tyson would have done something like that?

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 06 Jul 2005, 12:44

Grimm wrote:
Sweet Scientist wrote:
KOJOE90 wrote:
What do you think Wilt's reach was?
What really would have happened if Muhammad Ali faced Wilt Chamberlain?

Wilt has to be in the top 10 - 20 athletes of all time.

He was in tremendous shape, A world class weight lifter, 7'0 tall with a ridiculous reach and he wasn't a big clumsy giant either he was very agile, he holds his state high school record for the long jump and 100 meter dash.

I actually believe that he would've beaten Ali and when he did there would be lot's of giants boxing instead of playing basketball.

Obviously, you just post here to try to stir up shit...
Therefore, those of us who realize that won't be feeding your desire for attention...

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 06 Jul 2005, 12:44

Sweet Scientist wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:probably over 90 inches

Sweet Scientist. its not like douglas is a true all time great.
...obviously, he didn't have to be...which is why true all time greats would beat Tyson...

he didnt exploit tysons flaws nor did he beat tyson.
...actually, he did...but even if he didn't (which he did), what do you think that says about Tyson? All time champion calibre? No way...you can't name another heavyweight (considered to be an all time great) that didn't win a meaningful fight after age 24...

I noticed 'flaws' in Tyson when he fought Quick Tillis...Tillis couldn't exploit them...Douglas was able to...Tyson got frustrated and irratated when the guy in front of him wouldn't go down...later (against Holyfield) he would become completely unraveled (ear biting)...Is that the mark of an all time champion? Bite someone like a mad dog as soon as he realizes he can't win? You think Marciano would have done something like that? You think anybody other than Tyson would have done something like that?

Bringing his mental state into this has nothing to do with Tyson's fighting ability. OK he resorted to fighting dirty

.

The question I am asking you is do you think that the same Mike Tyson that knocked out Michael Spinks wouldn't have done the same thing to buster Douglas?

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 06 Jul 2005, 12:46

Sweet Scientist wrote:
Grimm wrote:
Sweet Scientist wrote: What do you think Wilt's reach was?
What really would have happened if Muhammad Ali faced Wilt Chamberlain?

Wilt has to be in the top 10 - 20 athletes of all time.

He was in tremendous shape, A world class weight lifter, 7'0 tall with a ridiculous reach and he wasn't a big clumsy giant either he was very agile, he holds his state high school record for the long jump and 100 meter dash.

I actually believe that he would've beaten Ali and when he did there would be lot's of giants boxing instead of playing basketball.
Obviously, you just post here to try to stir up shit...
Therefore, those of us who realize that won't be feeding your desire for attention...

I am not trying to stir up anything, I am giving you facts.

You can take it however you want to.

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 06 Jul 2005, 14:55

Grimm wrote: Bringing his mental state into this has nothing to do with Tyson's fighting ability.

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Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 06 Jul 2005, 14:58

Grimm wrote:
Sweet Scientist wrote:
Grimm wrote: What really would have happened if Muhammad Ali faced Wilt Chamberlain?

Wilt has to be in the top 10 - 20 athletes of all time.

He was in tremendous shape, A world class weight lifter, 7'0 tall with a ridiculous reach and he wasn't a big clumsy giant either he was very agile, he holds his state high school record for the long jump and 100 meter dash.

I actually believe that he would've beaten Ali and when he did there would be lot's of giants boxing instead of playing basketball.
Obviously, you just post here to try to stir up shit...
Therefore, those of us who realize that won't be feeding your desire for attention...
I am not trying to stir up anything, I am giving you facts.

You can take it however you want to.

8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 06 Jul 2005, 15:32

Grimm wrote:
Sweet Scientist wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:probably over 90 inches

Sweet Scientist. its not like douglas is a true all time great.
...obviously, he didn't have to be...which is why true all time greats would beat Tyson...

he didnt exploit tysons flaws nor did he beat tyson.
...actually, he did...but even if he didn't (which he did), what do you think that says about Tyson? All time champion calibre? No way...you can't name another heavyweight (considered to be an all time great) that didn't win a meaningful fight after age 24...

I noticed 'flaws' in Tyson when he fought Quick Tillis...Tillis couldn't exploit them...Douglas was able to...Tyson got frustrated and irratated when the guy in front of him wouldn't go down...later (against Holyfield) he would become completely unraveled (ear biting)...Is that the mark of an all time champion? Bite someone like a mad dog as soon as he realizes he can't win? You think Marciano would have done something like that? You think anybody other than Tyson would have done something like that?
Bringing his mental state into this has nothing to do with Tyson's fighting ability. OK he resorted to fighting dirty .

The question I am asking you is do you think that the same Mike Tyson that knocked out Michael Spinks wouldn't have done the same thing to buster Douglas?

The Spinks fight was no great accomplishment imo, Spinks was terrified before he even got in the ring and he didn't even try to win.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 07 Jul 2005, 00:11

Sweet Scientist wrote:
Grimm wrote:
Sweet Scientist wrote: Obviously, you just post here to try to stir up shit...
Therefore, those of us who realize that won't be feeding your desire for attention...
I am not trying to stir up anything, I am giving you facts.

You can take it however you want to.
8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

What's so funny?

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 07 Jul 2005, 12:49

Grimm wrote:
Sweet Scientist wrote:
KOJOE90 wrote:
What do you think Wilt's reach was?
What really would have happened if Muhammad Ali faced Wilt Chamberlain?

Wilt has to be in the top 10 - 20 athletes of all time.

He was in tremendous shape, A world class weight lifter, 7'0 tall with a ridiculous reach and he wasn't a big clumsy giant either he was very agile, he holds his state high school record for the long jump and 100 meter dash.

I actually believe that he would've beaten Ali and when he did there would be lot's of giants boxing instead of playing basketball.

Ali would have slaughtered him.

Wilt was a great Athlete but Ali was a great BOXER.

cultus · Post by **cultus** » 07 Jul 2005, 22:59

my god... you still say that Tyson was the same when he fought Holy..?? .. and then you go and say that Ali had arquably the greatest chin in the history of boxing

.. which is ludicrous and absolute fanatism at it's highest level.

cultus · Post by **cultus** » 07 Jul 2005, 23:02

cultus wrote:my god... you still say that Tyson was the same when he fought Holy..?? .. and then you go and say that Ali had arquably the greatest chin in the history of boxing .. which is ludicrous and absolute fanatism at it's highest level.

you have no more credibility.

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 07 Jul 2005, 23:50

cultus wrote:
cultus wrote:my god... you still say that Tyson was the same when he fought Holy..?? .. and then you go and say that Ali had arquably the greatest chin in the history of boxing .. which is ludicrous and absolute fanatism at it's highest level.
you have no more credibility.

...talk to yourself much?...

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 08 Jul 2005, 01:22

THE FACT THAT YOU BELEIVE SOME BIG BASKETBALL PLAYER WHO YEAH FINE IS IN SHPAE TO PLAY BASKETBALL...NOTT BOXING WHICH IS ARGUABLEY THE MOST GRUELING OF ALL SPORTS..CERTAINLY MORE THAN BASKETBALL...THE FACT THAT YOU COULD EVEN THINK HE HAVE A SHOT AGAINST ALI IS LUDACROUS..IT WOULD BE A KNOCKOUT WHENEVER ALI WANTED IT TO BE..ALI PROBABLY WOULDA HAD SOME FUN WITH IT THEN ENDED IT IN THE 4 OR 5 ROUND..DONT POST AGAIN IF UR GONNA POST THAT IGNORANT GARBAGE...IM PRETTY SURE THE GREATEST BOXER OF ALL TIME WOULDA BEATEN SOME BASKETBALL PLAYER...GO AWAY

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 08 Jul 2005, 01:24

yeah cultus i agree with sweet science..what in gods name u talking about..your just confusing us

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 08 Jul 2005, 08:31

Rory McCloskey wrote:THE FACT THAT YOU BELEIVE SOME BIG BASKETBALL PLAYER WHO YEAH FINE IS IN SHPAE TO PLAY BASKETBALL...NOTT BOXING WHICH IS ARGUABLEY THE MOST GRUELING OF ALL SPORTS..CERTAINLY MORE THAN BASKETBALL...THE FACT THAT YOU COULD EVEN THINK HE HAVE A SHOT AGAINST ALI IS LUDACROUS..IT WOULD BE A KNOCKOUT WHENEVER ALI WANTED IT TO BE..ALI PROBABLY WOULDA HAD SOME FUN WITH IT THEN ENDED IT IN THE 4 OR 5 ROUND..DONT POST AGAIN IF UR GONNA POST THAT IGNORANT GARBAGE...IM PRETTY SURE THE GREATEST BOXER OF ALL TIME WOULDA BEATEN SOME BASKETBALL PLAYER...GO AWAY

Have you ever seen Wilt Chamberlain box?

Or have you ever seen Ali fight someone of Wilt Chamberlains size with his athelticism.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 08 Jul 2005, 12:03

Grimm wrote:Have you ever seen Wilt Chamberlain box?

Have you?

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 08 Jul 2005, 12:06

cultus wrote:my god... you still say that Tyson was the same when he fought Holy..?? .. and then you go and say that Ali had arquably the greatest chin in the history of boxing .. which is ludicrous and absolute fanatism at it's highest level.

Ok who had a better chin than Ali at Heavyweight and why?

As for myself I think Ali had one of the best chins on a Heavyweight ever.

He took shots off the likes of Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Lyle and Shavers and was never stopped.

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 08 Jul 2005, 13:33

Alright grimm sorry..i forgot chaimberlain held dozens of heavyweight belts in his career as a professional boxer.. wow he was so good in the ring...what was his final record?..you honsetly think some basketball player coudl beat the champ?..

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 08 Jul 2005, 13:51

Why do you dumbasses keep quoting and reposting all the previous posts? Just put down YOUR THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS on the subject. You don't need to requote and post the contents of every single previous post....dumbasses!

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 08 Jul 2005, 13:53

ringsider wrote:Why do you dumbasses keep quoting and reposting all the previous posts? Just put down YOUR THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS on the subject. You don't need to requote and post the contents of every single previous post....dumbasses!

Ok I won't.

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 08 Jul 2005, 14:33

ringsider wrote:Why do you dumbasses keep quoting and reposting all the previous posts? Just put down YOUR THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS on the subject. You don't need to requote and post the contents of every single previous post....dumbasses!

Thanks for explaining how we should post...what would we do without your infinite wisdom?

ALI VS. TYSON

Re: Tyson prime

WHAT

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Re: WHAT

Re: WHAT

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