Why have people turned against Haye so quickly?

[Counter-puncher]

It was Wladimir that kind of let me down and did his usual 2 punch combo the whole fight, did he even throw any other punch apart from left jab, right hand?

[Deserter]

to seen the way supposed 'boxing fans' on this british boxing forum turned against Haye is disgusting

Why? Do you really believe he put it all on the line in a bid to win that fight? He criticised the 'bums' who fought VK previously, but you tell me how his performance differed from the very fighters he disparaged?
Quite frankly your reaction is laughable as there are plenty of intelligent, rational posters on here who are entitled to feel disgruntled with Haye's performance, both during the fight and after it.
To be a fan of boxing doesn't mean you have to be a blinkered cheerleader.

[Deserter]

It was Wladimir that kind of let me down and did his usual 2 punch combo the whole fight, did he even throw any other punch apart from left jab, right hand? appalling stuff for the watching public and unlike Haye i don't think Wlad could do any better if there was ever a Rematch wheras i honestly think David could do much better and lets be honest there was only one boxer at the end holding on for dear life and it wasn't Haye!

That's right, mate, pin the blame on Wladimir for virtually shutting out his opponent. "Holding on for dear life.." course he was.

[IRLangmaid25]

2) Test himself against the best - In the last 3 years Haye has fought Barrett, Ruiz, Harrison and then didn't lay it on the line on Saturday. How does that constitute testing himself against the best? In the same period Froch fought Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham and Johnson. THAT is what testing yourself against the best really means.

i'm not known as Froch's biggest fan, but the above really does merit a mention about once a week at least.

And he is also scheduled to fight Andre Ward in octobers after that who knows. Now you can excuse me for being biassed being a Notts boy, but Carl Froch has ran hell of a tough gaunlet and it is not going to slacken should Froch beat Ward in the Super Six final as I reckon he will go after Lucian Bute or Mikkel Kessler for a rematch and I cannot think of any other fighter who has run as a tougher gaunlet as Froch has done recently fighting 6 top 10 ranked fighters in his own division whether it be at home packing out the Nottingham Arena or on the road in Finland and the United States.

[Deserter]

2) Test himself against the best - In the last 3 years Haye has fought Barrett, Ruiz, Harrison and then didn't lay it on the line on Saturday. How does that constitute testing himself against the best? In the same period Froch fought Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham and Johnson. THAT is what testing yourself against the best really means.

i'm not known as Froch's biggest fan, but the above really does merit a mention about once a week at least.

And he is also scheduled to fight Andre Ward in octobers after that who knows. Now you can excuse me for being biassed being a Notts boy, but Carl Froch has ran hell of a tough gaunlet and it is not going to slacken should Froch beat Ward in the Super Six final as I reckon he will go after Lucian Bute or Mikkel Kessler for a rematch and I cannot think of any other fighter who has run as a tougher gaunlet as Froch has done recently fighting 6 top 10 ranked fighters in his own division whether it be at home packing out the Nottingham Arena or on the road in Finland and the United States.

Couldn't agree more mate - and look at the way he went after Taylor in that 12th round when he was staring defeat in the face.

[Chambers2]

Personally I think Haye's been great for British boxing. Exciting fighter who wantes to test himself against the Best....... that's all I ask for in a boxer. His BIG Gob is just an added bonus.

Chambers, a couple of points for you:

1) At cruiser he was great for British boxing. At heavy, fights like Audley and Saturday's have done nothing for British boxing. In fact, you can argue with some conviction that they've helped hammer a nail into the coffin (too melodramatic, but you know what I'm trying to say). It hurts me that Haye's sore toe incident will be held up as indicative of British boxing by members of the British public rather than the performances of 'road warriors' like Froch and Macklin.

2) Test himself against the best - In the last 3 years Haye has fought Barrett, Ruiz, Harrison and then didn't lay it on the line on Saturday. How does that constitute testing himself against the best? In the same period Froch fought Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham and Johnson. THAT is what testing yourself against the best really means.

1) I doubt Bonin, Ruiz, Audley and Barrett think Haye fights like Audley. He's obviously had to adapt his style and become more cautious in the HW division, especially when he's fighting one of the giants, but surely that's natural if you're giving away 30lbs and your main asset is your speed. People were saying Barrett was a good opponent and a good test prior to the fight, but then revisionism came into the argument after the fight. Ruiz was his mandatory defence, fight him or lose the belt. The Audley fight was just great business and common sense (admittedly that's not against the best). Outside of the 2 Klits is there much going on in the division?? Chagaev and Povetkin maybe, but isn't one permanently injured and the other one rabid (or hep c)

2) See my previous post + I agree that Froch has got the better recent resume, but that's probably the best in the world at the mo. My point was that Haye wasn't happy to sit at home doing a Calzaghe for the majority of his prime. He set himself BIG targets of unifying the CW and HW divisions and went after them. His matchmaking has been aggressive since the start of his career. Regarding Hayes fight overshadowing Macklins and Frochs performance that's hardly Hayes fault, he's just made better business decisions and is a better self-promoter IMO

[exittored]

It was Wladimir that kind of let me down and did his usual 2 punch combo the whole fight, did he even throw any other punch apart from left jab, right hand? appalling stuff for the watching public and unlike Haye i don't think Wlad could do any better if there was ever a Rematch wheras i honestly think David could do much better and lets be honest there was only one boxer at the end holding on for dear life and it wasn't Haye!

That's right, mate, pin the blame on Wladimir for virtually shutting out his opponent. "Holding on for dear life.." course he was.

Well Haye won 3 rds maybe even 4 so far from shutting out your opponent and yes maybe David didn't do what he promised but Wlad didn't either. Maybe "Holding on for dear life" was a slight exaggeration but he was hurt and clinching in the 12th which was laughable seeing as he was the one said he'd make Haye into a Pizza face(didn't happen) and then knock him out in the 12th(didn't happen).

[jamesmcdonnell]

Is it just me or is anyone else feed up today with reading all of the negative reports on David Haye, this time last week the guy was a national hero and now almost every write up, interview and discussion regarding the fight everyone is picking on Haye, you even have a certain promoter calling for him to retire now!!!

I’m not defending Haye and yes the excuse he used after the fight was uncalled for but it’s not the first time we have heard a boxer blame a loss on something other than their own performance.

Why has everyone turned against him so quickly? The guy has to still be given credit for stepping up and fighting the best and bringing the sport back in to the mainstream, none of our other current British boxers expect Hatton have got the character to cross over from sportsman to celebrity, which in turn helps to get the non boxing fan interested in the sport.

Rant over.

Because he was gobbing off so much before hand.

[Counter-puncher]

i'm not known as Froch's biggest fan, but the above really does merit a mention about once a week at least.

And he is also scheduled to fight Andre Ward in octobers after that who knows. Now you can excuse me for being biassed being a Notts boy, but Carl Froch has ran hell of a tough gaunlet and it is not going to slacken should Froch beat Ward in the Super Six final as I reckon he will go after Lucian Bute or Mikkel Kessler for a rematch and I cannot think of any other fighter who has run as a tougher gaunlet as Froch has done recently fighting 6 top 10 ranked fighters in his own division whether it be at home packing out the Nottingham Arena or on the road in Finland and the United States.

Couldn't agree more mate - and look at the way he went after Taylor in that 12th round when he was staring defeat in the face.

another good point

[Wax On]

Haye took the noisiest and safest route to earning a 50/50 purse with the Heavyweight Division's most dominant fighter.

In doing so, he talked a lot of talk. The upside being a £10 million purse on Saturday, The downside being he now has to face the British public after not only not walking the walk, but more importantly to public perceptions of him, seemingly not even being prepared to put it on the line. Something he criticised the majority of Wlad's most recent opponents for doing.

That's what Wlad does to people though. Call it boring, call it one dimensional, but his jab and size make him so dominant on the outside, that it takes the heart away from his opponent within a very short space of time / rounds.

I'm dissapoined David didn't go all out for a knockout in the last few rounds when it was obvious he needed one, but maybe he'd had the heart take out of him like all the others, and didn't fancy eating some big right hands.

One thing that's interesting to note is, on a weekend, where Nadal lost the Wimbledon final, having experienced a hairline fracture of his foot in the fourth round. He chose to make no mention of his injury and praise his opponent. That is class. It's a shame David couldn't have shown a bit more of the same, post fight.

[jamesmcdonnell]

And he is also scheduled to fight Andre Ward in octobers after that who knows. Now you can excuse me for being biassed being a Notts boy, but Carl Froch has ran hell of a tough gaunlet and it is not going to slacken should Froch beat Ward in the Super Six final as I reckon he will go after Lucian Bute or Mikkel Kessler for a rematch and I cannot think of any other fighter who has run as a tougher gaunlet as Froch has done recently fighting 6 top 10 ranked fighters in his own division whether it be at home packing out the Nottingham Arena or on the road in Finland and the United States.

Couldn't agree more mate - and look at the way he went after Taylor in that 12th round when he was staring defeat in the face.

another good point

Totally agree.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Haye took the noisiest and safest route to earning a 50/50 purse with the Heavyweight Division's most dominant fighter.

In doing so, he talked a lot of talk. The upside being a £10 million purse on Saturday, The downside being he now has to face the British public after not only not walking the walk, but more importantly to public perceptions of him, seemingly not even being prepared to put it on the line. Something he criticised the majority of Wlad's most recent opponents for doing.

That's what Wlad does to people though. Call it boring, call it one dimensional, but his jab and size make him so dominant on the outside, that it takes the heart away from his opponent within a very short space of time / rounds.

I'm dissapoined David didn't go all out for a knockout in the last few rounds when it was obvious he needed one, but maybe he'd had the heart take out of him like all the others, and didn't fancy eating some big right hands.

One thing that's interesting to note is, on a weekend, where Nadal lost the Wimbledon final, having experienced a hairline fracture of his foot in the fourth round. He chose to make no mention of his injury and praise his opponent. That is class. It's a shame David couldn't have shown a bit more of the same, post fight.

That's why Nadal is a great champion.......win or lose, he's sheer class.

[Deserter]

Well Haye won 3 rds maybe even 4 so far from shutting out your opponent

According to who exactly? You talk as if that's fact, which is ridiculous.

[Counter-puncher]

Well Haye won 3 rds maybe even 4 so far from shutting out your opponent

According to who exactly?.

one of the judges?

[earsjohn]

Well Haye won 3 rds maybe even 4 so far from shutting out your opponent

According to who exactly?.

one of the judges?

Haye actually put in the best performance against Wlad since the first Sam Peter fight in 2005. Since then Chris Byrd, Calvin Brock, Ray Austin, Lamon Brewster, Tony Thompson, Hasim Rahman, Ruslan Chagaev, Eddie Chambers and Sam Peter have all been stopped while behind (and in most cases without a round to their names) and Sultan Ibragimov took 3, 2 and 1 rounds on the respective scorecards. While Haye didn't live up to his pre-fight predictions he did better against the best Wlad than any of his predecessors.

He wasn't stopped, he wasn't hurt, he actually got through with some shots, but he was soundly beaten. Add an extra point for the phantom knock down and it's a little closer. It wasn't the greatest performance but it was comfortably Wlads toughest fight in 6 years.

[h smithy]

Is it just me or is anyone else feed up today with reading all of the negative reports on David Haye, this time last week the guy was a national hero and now almost every write up, interview and discussion regarding the fight everyone is picking on Haye, you even have a certain promoter calling for him to retire now!!!

I’m not defending Haye and yes the excuse he used after the fight was uncalled for but it’s not the first time we have heard a boxer blame a loss on something other than their own performance.

Why has everyone turned against him so quickly? The guy has to still be given credit for stepping up and fighting the best and bringing the sport back in to the mainstream, none of our other current British boxers expect Hatton have got the character to cross over from sportsman to celebrity, which in turn helps to get the non boxing fan interested in the sport.

Rant over.

Because he was gobbing off so much before hand.

But his gobbing off sold the fight, great bit of promoting I would say. you will never please or gain support from everyone but it has earned him and sky alot of money.

[exittored]

Well Haye won 3 rds maybe even 4 so far from shutting out your opponent

According to who exactly?.

one of the judges?

Exactly...i just disregard the jokers on here now as there's still some good intelligent writers who can cut through the bullshit without having vendetta against certain boxers. I first joined this site in May 2003 and it was great to find a forum like this to discuss my passion for boxing in a constructive and fun way. It's a shame though that some of the characters from back then no longer contribute and have been replaced by some idiots but i see this site as my first love and even though she's gone crazy and been sent to a Mental institute, i'd rather stick by her then abandon her for another site.

On a darker note, i think there's a lot of 'contributors' here who have never forgiven Haye for wearing the Turkish muslim flag and i'll leave it at that!

[jamesmcdonnell]

Is it just me or is anyone else feed up today with reading all of the negative reports on David Haye, this time last week the guy was a national hero and now almost every write up, interview and discussion regarding the fight everyone is picking on Haye, you even have a certain promoter calling for him to retire now!!!

I’m not defending Haye and yes the excuse he used after the fight was uncalled for but it’s not the first time we have heard a boxer blame a loss on something other than their own performance.

Why has everyone turned against him so quickly? The guy has to still be given credit for stepping up and fighting the best and bringing the sport back in to the mainstream, none of our other current British boxers expect Hatton have got the character to cross over from sportsman to celebrity, which in turn helps to get the non boxing fan interested in the sport.

Rant over.

Because he was gobbing off so much before hand.

But his gobbing off sold the fight, great bit of promoting I would say. you will never please or gain support from everyone but it has earned him and sky alot of money.

Yes, sold the fight THAT THE PAYING PUBLIC CONTRIBUTED TO. That's my problem with this, a lot of people paid 15 quid for this dross. Why am I going to applaud a fighter for delivering nothing but getting well paid. What do I care if Sky's balance sheet is in the positive?!!! What frigging bearing do either of these facts have on me as a fan?

Froch hasn't made a quarter the money Haye has, but he has a hell of a lot more respect amongst the fans. I suspect that probably means a bit more to Froch than it does Haye. Haye probably feels a little embarrassed right now, but he'll soon forget about it. I think Froch if he had turned in a performance like that, would probably have apologised, though actually, I cannot see him ever turning in a performance like that. His single loss to Kessler, he put his balls to the wall in that fight. Dirrell he simply couldn't get near as he was so quick and slippery.

I dont think Haye could really have won the fight, but he could have pushed the issue harder and farther,

[alexpaterson]

I've always liked Haye, but the toe thing kind of annoyed me. Though he made up for that with his appearance on Sky Sports News today he was top class and honest

[banjo]

On a darker note, i think there's a lot of 'contributors' here who have never forgiven Haye for wearing the Turkish muslim flag and i'll leave it at that!

It's the Northern Cyprus flag, there's nothing muslim about it.

[Deserter]

According to who exactly?.

one of the judges?

Exactly...i just disregard the jokers on here now as there's still some good intelligent writers who can cut through the bullshit without having vendetta against certain boxers. I first joined this site in May 2003 and it was great to find a forum like this to discuss my passion for boxing in a constructive and fun way. It's a shame though that some of the characters from back then no longer contribute and have been replaced by some idiots but i see this site as my first love and even though she's gone crazy and been sent to a Mental institute, i'd rather stick by her then abandon her for another site.

On a darker note, i think there's a lot of 'contributors' here who have never forgiven Haye for wearing the Turkish muslim flag and i'll leave it at that!

You are quite frankly delusional on so many levels:
1) You make no reference in your original post to your statement of 'fact' being based on one judge's scorecard so don't be so utterly disingenuous by claiming "exactly" now.
2) I've been on here for a similar length of time and the idea that the level of dialogue has somehow diminished dramatically is also a rewriting of history on your part.
3) Finally, the inference that any negative comments regarding Haye constitute a vendetta and lack any substance or credibility merely makes a mockery of your claim that you like to discuss boxing in a constructive way and insults many posters who despite finding fault with Haye on Saturday are most definitely not lacking in intellect.

Ironically your analogy of a mental institute, coupled with your quite frankly bizarre ramblings simply reminds me of the saying regarding the insane man believing he's the only sane one and it's actually everyone else who is mental...

[exittored]

On a darker note, i think there's a lot of 'contributors' here who have never forgiven Haye for wearing the Turkish muslim flag and i'll leave it at that!

It's the Northern Cyprus flag, there's nothing muslim about it.

Well i think it does as the crescent represents Islam.

[exittored]

one of the judges?

Exactly...i just disregard the jokers on here now as there's still some good intelligent writers who can cut through the bullshit without having vendetta against certain boxers. I first joined this site in May 2003 and it was great to find a forum like this to discuss my passion for boxing in a constructive and fun way. It's a shame though that some of the characters from back then no longer contribute and have been replaced by some idiots but i see this site as my first love and even though she's gone crazy and been sent to a Mental institute, i'd rather stick by her then abandon her for another site.

On a darker note, i think there's a lot of 'contributors' here who have never forgiven Haye for wearing the Turkish muslim flag and i'll leave it at that!

You are quite frankly delusional on so many levels:
1) You make no reference in your original post to your statement of 'fact' being based on one judge's scorecard so don't be so utterly disingenuous by claiming "exactly" now.
2) I've been on here for a similar length of time and the idea that the level of dialogue has somehow diminished dramatically is also a rewriting of history on your part.
3) Finally, the inference that any negative comments regarding Haye constitute a vendetta and lack any substance or credibility merely makes a mockery of your claim that you like to discuss boxing in a constructive way and insults many posters who despite finding fault with Haye on Saturday are most definitely not lacking in intellect.

Ironically your analogy of a mental institute, coupled with your quite frankly bizarre ramblings simply reminds me of the saying regarding the insane man believing he's the only sane one and it's actually everyone else who is mental...

Well i can't be arsed replying except to say that this forum took a turn for the worst on the 4th september 2003 :)

[Deserter]

Exactly...i just disregard the jokers on here now as there's still some good intelligent writers who can cut through the bullshit without having vendetta against certain boxers. I first joined this site in May 2003 and it was great to find a forum like this to discuss my passion for boxing in a constructive and fun way. It's a shame though that some of the characters from back then no longer contribute and have been replaced by some idiots but i see this site as my first love and even though she's gone crazy and been sent to a Mental institute, i'd rather stick by her then abandon her for another site.

On a darker note, i think there's a lot of 'contributors' here who have never forgiven Haye for wearing the Turkish muslim flag and i'll leave it at that!

You are quite frankly delusional on so many levels:
1) You make no reference in your original post to your statement of 'fact' being based on one judge's scorecard so don't be so utterly disingenuous by claiming "exactly" now.
2) I've been on here for a similar length of time and the idea that the level of dialogue has somehow diminished dramatically is also a rewriting of history on your part.
3) Finally, the inference that any negative comments regarding Haye constitute a vendetta and lack any substance or credibility merely makes a mockery of your claim that you like to discuss boxing in a constructive way and insults many posters who despite finding fault with Haye on Saturday are most definitely not lacking in intellect.

Ironically your analogy of a mental institute, coupled with your quite frankly bizarre ramblings simply reminds me of the saying regarding the insane man believing he's the only sane one and it's actually everyone else who is mental...

Well i can't be arsed replying except to say that this forum took a turn for the worst on the 4th september 2003 :)

Have to be honest and say that made me laugh out loud once I'd clicked

[jamesmcdonnell]

On a darker note, i think there's a lot of 'contributors' here who have never forgiven Haye for wearing the Turkish muslim flag and i'll leave it at that!

Do you mean the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus flag? What is there to forgive? Adam Booth's dad is Turkish Cypriot so David wears the emblem on his shorts. Why would people have a beef with that?

Haye also trains there. Cannot see why anyone would have a problem with that.