Frank, I know Gil Cadilli and Keeny Teran were big favorites in LA, each with his own fan base. The place probably would have been packed to the rafters for that fight alone. What was the reaction of the crowd to the draw verdict?
Tom, Teran and Cadilli were crosstown rivals and like you said, each had their fans, and they were all there that nite. Everybody I think were happy with the fight being called a draw, including me, hated to see either one lose. And yes the legion was pack to the rafters that nite and I think that had Teran/Cadilli been the main it still would had sold-out...
A great source for that fight is the Gil Cadilli "Fight For Life" video with a few short clips and interviews with those who were there. Richard "Cali" Martinez, a Johnny Forbes fighter that won a 1952 Nat'l Golden Gloves title, said it was the greatest six-round fight he ever saw. Martinez had grown up with these guys and hated to see either lose, and was glad it was a draw. Arnie Kaslow the timekeeper said the same. I first heard of the fight from Frank, and although I remember seeing Gil Cadilli at the gym and at Ruben Navarro's home once, all I knew was that he had beaten the great Willie Pep. What if we had him today, to interview as his son did, and Keeny Teran. Could you imagine if A Keeny Teran had opened up in front of the camera. Many don't, but sometimes a guy just wants to tell his side of the story and when they do so from the heart, it's usually quite compelling. A museum is more like a crypt, but hearing and seeing a legend talk on screen keeps the spirit alive.
CNorkusJr wrote:Frank Thanks for posting the records of Francisco De La Cruz and Ernie Rios.
Though their record totals dont reflect what brawlers these guys were.
Very good heavies-De La Cruz going the distant with Maxim and beating(KO) Beshore is outstanding.
Rios fighting equally top heavies like Beshore. I would rather see these guys in a ring match from back in the day, than fighters I've seen lately.
You can tell these guys were hungry for a ranking and title fight. Thats part of the makeup of a good fighter-hungry for something better.
Thanks Charlie. Both Rios and De La Cruz fought some top guys in their careers, their W & L records are not indicative of their talent....
Thanks to Frank for bringing Rios and De La Cruz to the thread.
Thanks to Charlie & Frank for the info.
I have always loved the smaller weight classes for action, but without true heavyweight talent in competitive matches, boxing is not operating as it should. The contenders of the 50's are of personal interest to me at the moment. I'm getting an extended education thru the letters and postings of Charlie Norkus Jr. He really takes us into the world he was born into. I am also learning a lot about the Vetran Boxers associations such as NY's Ring #8, the New Jersey & New York Hall of Fames, etc. I'm lucky to be a part of the CBHOF with Frank & Don, because they keep our group legit. You know what Frank does for us here, but he is Don's right hand. They really put a lot of work into our event for several months every year. Don has his helpers, but Frank and Don make it happen. The smaller CBHOF has more boxing history & knowledge than any West coast group of recent years, and this includes the once larger WBHOF. At a time when boxing seems to be on it's death bed again, and most organizations struggle for survival, the CBHOF thrives and I believe will grow.
Thank You Rick, but I must tell you guys that it works the other way too.
Until just a few years ago, my knowledge of West Coast Boxing was limited to what my father have told me about the West Coast Greats like Charlie Powell(who my father fought twice), same about Archie Moore, though he might be considered universal as he fought everyone, everywhere there was a ring, and men like Art Aragon & Tommy Harrison,Gorilla Jones. And of Pat McMurtry up in Tacoma,Wa.
I read the "Ring" clippings from Don Fraser "In Sunny California", Jack Murphy and the like out of my fathers scrapbook.
(I know Gorilla Jones was from Ohio, but my father knew him when he trained fighters out on the West Coast).
I watched on TV with my father those great bouts with The Baltazar Brothers, B. Chacon and the voice of Jimmy Lennon Sr.
But since I signed into Boxrec- I have come to understand boxing much better, the Mexican "Heart" style and of the Great names you guys keep telling stories about. The pictures are worth a million words and the lifetime experiences from the Olympic and Legion Stadium is my personal encyclopedia of West Coast Fame.
Of course forays in Oklahoma and England and Vegas round out the best Boxing site anywhere.
It is I who Thanks you from keeping "oldtime" boxing alive for me.
And in believing there is hope in guys like Austen Trout for the future of the sport.
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raylawpc wrote:
Frank, I know Gil Cadilli and Keeny Teran were big favorites in LA, each with his own fan base. The place probably would have been packed to the rafters for that fight alone. What was the reaction of the crowd to the draw verdict?
Tom, Teran and Cadilli were crosstown rivals and like you said, each had their fans, and they were all there that nite. Everybody I think were happy with the fight being called a draw, including me, hated to see either one lose. And yes the legion was pack to the rafters that nite and I think that had Teran/Cadilli been the main it still would had sold-out...
A great source for that fight is the Gil Cadilli "Fight For Life" video with a few short clips and interviews with those who were there. Richard "Cali" Martinez, a Johnny Forbes fighter that won a 1952 Nat'l Golden Gloves title, said it was the greatest six-round fight he ever saw. Martinez had grown up with these guys and hated to see either lose, and was glad it was a draw. Arnie Kaslow the timekeeper said the same. I first heard of the fight from Frank, and although I remember seeing Gil Cadilli at the gym and at Ruben Navarro's home once, all I knew was that he had beaten the great Willie Pep. What if we had him today, to interview as his son did, and Keeny Teran. Could you imagine if A Keeny Teran had opened up in front of the camera. Many don't, but sometimes a guy just wants to tell his side of the story and when they do so from the heart, it's usually quite compelling. A museum is more like a crypt, but hearing and seeing a legend talk on screen keeps the spirit alive.
I've seen it; Frank sent it to me a couple of years ago. Thanks.
Frank, I know Gil Cadilli and Keeny Teran were big favorites in LA, each with his own fan base. The place probably would have been packed to the rafters for that fight alone. What was the reaction of the crowd to the draw verdict?
Tom, Teran and Cadilli were crosstown rivals and like you said, each had their fans, and they were all there that nite. Everybody I think were happy with the fight being called a draw, including me, hated to see either one lose. And yes the legion was pack to the rafters that nite and I think that had Teran/Cadilli been the main it still would had sold-out...
Thanks Frank. I always enjoy reading your impression of the great LA fights that you saw.
I received this article (below) a while back from Dan H. on a pdf file which are a bitch to work with,
nonetheless I saved it to see what I could do with it, well after jumping over hoops I found out that
the only way I could post it was to print it, scan it, re-size it and than post it on the thread. It's too much
work to do in order to post an article... , I only did this one because its Keeny Teran and Gil Cadilli....
I received this article (below) a while back from Dan H. on a pdf file which are a bitch to work with,
nonetheless I saved it to see what I could do with it, well after jumping over hoops I found out that
the only way I could post it was to print it, scan it, re-size it and than post it on the thread. It's too much
work to do in order to post an article... , I only did this one because its Keeny Teran and Gil Cadilli....
My dad and I were at this one. We had the worst seats in the Sports Arena, a last minute decision to go. But we saw it!
I'd just joined the Flores stable, and Dwight Hawkins was fighting along with my two favorite bantams, Pimentel & Medel.
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Sports Arena, Los Angeles, California, United States Dec. 1965
Jesus Pimentel L Jose Medel UD 10 10
Dwight Hawkins W Apolonio Salinas KO 1 10
Beto Maldonado L Jerry Stokes PTS 10 10
Dave White L Al Ramirez PTS 5 5
This bout was of concern to Dwight Hawkins. Montoya had whipped Crawford, and he was slick, a true Mexican talent.
They went toe-to-toe, and then Montoya retreated, and Hawkins began to brutalize him with hooks to the body on both sides. I can still see it in my mind from ringside. After eight Montoya's bubble had been burst. I'd never seen a more devistating body attack at the time, and few since.
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Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States
Dwight Hawkins W Raul Montoya TKO 8 10
Colin Fraser L Art Cruz KO 6 10
Richie Gonzales W Olin Martin KO 1 6
Al Bolton W Freddie Webster PTS
I received this article (below) a while back from Dan H. on a pdf file which are a bitch to work with,
nonetheless I saved it to see what I could do with it, well after jumping over hoops I found out that
the only way I could post it was to print it, scan it, re-size it and than post it on the thread. It's too much
work to do in order to post an article... , I only did this one because its Keeny Teran and Gil Cadilli....
Frank, you like all the same fighters that my father did. He always talked about Bolanos, Lauro Lalas and Art Aragon. Great days for boxing in L.A. and every where else for that matter.
Rick Farris wrote:This bout was of concern to Dwight Hawkins. Montoya had whipped Crawford, and he was slick, a true Mexican talent.
They went toe-to-toe, and then Montoya retreated, and Hawkins began to brutalize him with hooks to the body on both sides. I can still see it in my mind from ringside. After eight Montoya's bubble had been burst. I'd never seen a more devistating body attack at the time, and few since.
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Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States
Dwight Hawkins W Raul Montoya TKO 8 10
Colin Fraser L Art Cruz KO 6 10
Richie Gonzales W Olin Martin KO 1 6
Al Bolton W Freddie Webster PTS
Rick, I know it did your heart good to see Dwight Hawkins inducted into the CBHOF this year.
kikibalt wrote:
Joe Louis and Francisco De La Cruz
Francisco De La Cruz
division heavyweight
alias Pancho
country Mexico
residence Los Angeles, California, United States
won 16 (KO 11) + lost 17 (KO 1) + drawn 4 = 37
rounds boxed 257 KO% 29.73
1949-01-28 Jimmy Bell 23-20-4
Guam L PTS 10 10
1948-10-01 240 Enrico Bertola 192½ 29-5-1
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L UD 10 10
referee: Mushy Callahan 53½-56½ | judge: Benny Whitman 51½-58½ | judge: Frank Holborow 52-58
1948-08-27 253 Sonny Andrews 180 2-2-0
San Diego, California, United States L PTS 10 10
1948-06-18 248¼ Willie Bean 203 10-6-3
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L UD 10 10
referee: Reggie Gilmore 52-58 | judge: Mushy Callahan 51-59 | judge: Joe Stone 53-57
Bean was knocked down for a nine-count in the 3rd round.
1948-05-07 238 Joey Maxim 189 56-14-3
El Paso, Texas, United States L PTS 10 10
1948-01-23 242 Baby Dutch Culbertson 180 15-1-1
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L UD 10 10
1947-12-08 Ernie Rios 15-13-4
El Paso, Texas, United States W PTS 10 10
1947-10-31 243 Freddie Beshore 194 19-3-1
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W TKO 5 10
time: 0:32 | referee: Billy Kershner
Beshore was bleeding badly from the mouth and nose, after taking some smashing uppercuts from Francisco De La Cruz,and The referee stopped the fight.
1947-09-04 238 Dolph Quijano 177 34-3-0
El Paso, Texas, United States L SD 10 10
1947-06-06 184½ Sterling Ingram 180 8-4-0
Denver, Colorado, United States L KO 5
1947-05-30 Jim Bowden 14-33-3
El Paso, Texas, United States W KO 2
1947-05-22 Ernie Rios 12-12-4
Madison Square Garden, Phoenix, Arizona, United States L PTS 10 10
1947-05-15 238 Jimmy Edwards 178 9-11-4
Phoenix, Arizona, United States W TKO 2 10
1947-02-24 227 Tony Bosnich 190 19-4-0
Coliseum Bowl, San Francisco, California, United States L PTS 10 10
1947-02-10 Eddie Ownby Wilson 21-5-1
El Paso, Texas, United States W KO 5
1947-01-15 Frankie Estrada 240 0-2-0
Canvas Castle, Phoenix, Arizona, United States W KO 1
time: 2:10
1946-12-09 Ragon Kinney 14-0-0
El Paso, Texas, United States W PTS 10 10
1946-11-29 219 Pat Valentino 175 33-7-1
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L UD 10 10
referee: Reggie Gilmore 54-56 | judge: Herb Greene 53-57 | judge: Mushy Callahan 52½-57½
1946-10-11 220 Tony Martin 212 8-3-1
Phoenix, Arizona, United States W TKO 4
referee: Rusty Ling
Arizona state heavyweight title
1946-09-30 217 Fred Ford 184½ 3-1-1
City Auditorium, Omaha, Nebraska, United States W TKO 6 10
1946-08-12 Sterling Ingram 4-3-0
City Auditorium, Omaha, Nebraska, United States W TKO 6 10
1946-07-31 221 Tex Boddie 182½ 8-0-0
American Legion Ballpark, Council Bluffs, Iowa, United States L PTS 10 10
referee: Alex Fidler
1946-04-17 Nolan Sharp 9-13-2
Municipal Auditorium, Long Beach, California, United States L PTS 10 10
1946-03-27 265 Pio Pico 6-10-1
Municipal Auditorium, Long Beach, California, United States W TKO 6 10
referee: Billy Kershner
1946-03-01 Gene Felton 9-12-0
San Diego, California, United States L PTS 10 10
1942-04-29 239 Martin Goldberg 5-0-0
Auditorium, Oakland, California, United States L PTS 10 10
referee: Oakland Jimmy Duffy
1942-04-15 235 Blimp Williams 273 7-21-3
Auditorium, Oakland, California, United States W PTS 6 6
1941-11-25 230 Harold Flanagan 210 0-2-0
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W KO 4 8
time: 2:52
1941-10-22 226 Connie Norden 194 9-1-1
Auditorium, Oakland, California, United States L PTS 8 8
1941-10-08 232 Duke Garberg 201 3-3-0
Auditorium, Oakland, California, United States W TKO 5 6
1941-09-10 246 Connie Norden 196 7-1-1
Auditorium, Oakland, California, United States L PTS 6 6
1941-07-23 238 Bill Dalton 204 3-2-1
Gilmore Field, Los Angeles, California, United States D PTS 4 4
1941-05-10 240 Bill Ely 196 2-2-1
Eastside Arena, Los Angeles, California, United States W PTS 6 6
1941-04-26 Bill Ely 2-2-0
Eastside Arena, Los Angeles, California, United States D PTS 4 4
1941-04-10 247 Bill Dalton 202 0-2-0
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States D PTS 4 4
1941-03-29 245 Bill Dalton 0-1-0
Eastside Arena, Los Angeles, California, United States W PTS 4 4
1941-03-24 Bud Mosley 0-1-0
Ocean Park Arena, Santa Monica, California, United States D PTS 4 4
In 1950 Al Cruz won the Los Angeles Times Golden Gloves championship at featherweight,
the Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions vs. Junior Franklin of Oklahoma City, OK
at bantamweight and the Intercity Golden Gloves' championship at bantamweight vs. Tommy Nee .
1-19-1954 Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California
Billy Peacock L Al Cruz UD 10 10
Billy Evans W Jimmy Roybal SD 6 6
Jerry Fowler W Leon Strickland TKO 1 4
Ruben Picazo W George Jacquet PTS 4 4
Fernando La Doll W Frankie Cockrell PTS 4 4
Ray Fields W Aaron Junior PTS 4 4
Al Cruz
division featherweight
country United States
residence Los Angeles, California, United States
won 23 (KO 8) + lost 6 (KO 1) + drawn 2 = 31
rounds boxed 209 KO% 25.81
1956-11-20 122¼ Larry Bataan 126½ 24-5-4
Memorial Auditorium, Fresno, California, United States L TKO 5 10
time: 0:14 | referee: Frank Manfredo
The bout was stopped after Cruz rose at nine, unsteady, from a knockdown.
1954-09-25 125 Rudy Garcia 125¾ 23-6-1
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L UD 12 12
referee: Frankie Van 60-72 | judge: Tommy Hart 60-72 | judge: Tommy Herman 60-72
USA California State featherweight title
1954-07-03 125½ Humberto Carrillo 123 55-13-4
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States D PTS 10 10
referee: Frankie Van 59-51 | judge: John Thomas 55-55 | judge: Abe Roth 56-54
Carrillo was knocked down in the 2nd round.
1954-04-20 124 Kenny Davis 125 6-3-2
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L UD 12 12
referee: Mushy Callahan 61-71 | judge: Dynamite Jackson 62-70 | judge: Frankie Van 61½-70½
Vacant California State Featherweight Title Eliminator
1954-01-19 121 Billy Peacock 118½ 19-3-0
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Charley Randolph 58-52 | judge: Tommy Hart 59½-50½ | judge: Joe Stone 60½-49½
Cruz scored a knockdown an 8-count knockdown in the ninth round.
1953-12-08 124½ Rudy Garcia 126 23-5-1
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W SD 12 12
referee: Charley Randolph 70-61 | judge: Lee Grossman 65-66 | judge: Frankie Van 66-65
California State Featherweight Title Eliminator
Garcia was knocked down for an eight-count in the 3rd round.
1953-09-16 Oscar Torres 17-18-2
Inyokern, California, United States W PTS 10 10
1953-06-16 125 Auburn Copeland 125 25-2-0
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States D PTS 10 10
referee: Mushy Callahan 53½-56½ | judge: Charley Randolph 55-55 | judge: Lee Grossman 55-55
1953-04-28 126 Jorge Manjarrez 123 5-5-0
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W RTD 8 10
referee: Frankie Van
Manjarrez was knocked down for an eight-count in the 1st round. His corner stopped the bout after the 8th round.
1953-03-27 125 Tenejeros Boy 126 7-6-0
Manila, Metro Manila, Philippines W UD 10 10
1953-03-15 123½ Flash Elorde 124 18-2-2
Manila, Metro Manila, Philippines L PTS 10 10
1952-10-07 125 Dave Gallardo 125½ 41-11-5
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L SD 12 12
referee: Frankie Van 65-67 | judge: Reggie Gilmore 67-65 | judge: Jimmy Wallace 65-67
vacant USA California State featherweight title
1952-09-09 125 Chico Rosa 125 31-15-2
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W UD 12 12
referee: Reggie Gilmore 67½-64½ | judge: Tommy Herman 68½-63½ | judge: Jimmy Wallace 68-64
Vacant California State Featherweight Title Eliminator
1952-08-26 122 Hector Rios 121 8-5-3
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TKO 3 10
time: 3:00 | referee: Abe Roth
The referee stopped the bout after the 3rd round, as he felt Rios was in no condition to continue.
1952-08-14 124 Freddy Bravo 125 3-6-3
San Diego, California, United States W PTS 10 10
1952-07-29 125½ Bobby Garza 125½ 31-22-17
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W UD 6 6
1952-07-22 124½ Jimmy Dunn 127 27-23-3
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W UD 6 6
1952-07-01 126½ Freddy Bravo 130 3-4-3
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TKO 4 6
referee: Dynamite Jackson
A cut over Bravo's right eye, ended the bout.
1952-06-21 124½ Bobby Romo 128½ 16-12-8
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W UD 6 6
1952-06-03 125 Pete Aguirre 126¼ 9-2-1
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W UD 6 6
1952-04-19 125 Ramon Carrillo 127 1-2-1
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W SD 6 6
referee: Jimmy Wallace
Cruz was knocked down in the 3rd round.
1952-04-05 125 Johnny Malloy 124 15-9-2
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W TKO 1 6
A cut over Malloy's right eye, ended the fight.
1951-03-05 122½ Javier Gutierrez 124 15-6-3
Ocean Park Arena, Santa Monica, California, United States L TD 8 10
referee: Mushy Callahan
According to the Los Angeles Times a headbutt in the 8th round, quickly closed Gutierrez's left eye,
forcing a technical decision win for Gutierrez who was slightly ahead.
1951-02-27 122 Cecil Schoonmaker 116 36-13-7
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W KO 1 6
1951-02-09 125 Johnny Malloy 124 6-2-0
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W TKO 2 4
1950-08-22 125 Roy Higa 122 7-3-2
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TD 3 6
referee: Joe Stone
A headbutt from Higa opened a cut over Cruz's left eye, leading to a stoppage.
1950-08-04 125 Bob Holliday 127½ 12-8-2
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W TKO 1 4
1950-07-11 123 Jesse Morales 128 3-8-1
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W PTS 4 4
1950-06-30 121¾ Bob DiGiovanni 126½ 6-4-3
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W PTS 4 4
1950-06-27 121 Javier Gutierrez 119 9-3-1
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W KO 1 4
1950-06-16 124½ Jesse Morales 123½ 3-7-1
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W PTS 4 4
Cruz's pro debut according to the Los Angeles Times
My favorite fighter, in my favorite fight, beating my favorite guy I like to see beaten. It doesn't get any better.
Good post!
My feelings exactly, no welter today is in the league of Duran on this night. How many were?
This Duran walks thru Pac and Mayweather, can you imagine?
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Do you ever do something sutpid and you know it's stupid when you're doing but you do it anyway? That's what I did today. Jeri and I drove over to Brea today to watch "Bad Teacher", the new Cameron Diaz movie. After the movie we walked across the street to Cha Cha' Tacos and Tequila for some dinner before heading home. I heard a lot of good things about this place. A sort of neo Mexican Restaurant. The "neo" is my word for it. They use a chimichurri sauce on their meats, which is Argentinian, so it's kind of fusion food as well. I was really looking forward to eating here.
My little alarm went off when I looked at the menu and saw that the carne asada plate with yukon potatoes was 19.00, but I ordered it anyways, yeah, I know, Jeri ordered the carnitas plate for 18.00. They asked Jeri what type of tortillas she wanted and she said "corn". When the waitress started to walk away I asked "What about my tortillas?" Oh, yours doesn't come with any tortillas". She said. "Huh, no tortillas?" I ordered some. I'm no cheapo but 19.00 for a carne asada plate and no tortillas??!! In fact, 19.00 for a carne asada plate? I only had water with my meal and it was funny tasting tap water.
Still, I was determined to see this through, convinced that there would be a happy ending to this. I was disappointed when my plate came. A small strip of meat, sliced diagonally covered with chimichurri sauce and served with roasted Yukon potatoes. I wasn't getting my Mexican fix. Jeri's plate looked good but looks can be deceiving. The meat had a weird taste. The serving of rice and beans were a fraction of what one would get at a regular Mexican restaurant.
It's not so much that the food was so bad, at best, it was mediocre, and it's not so much that the price was too high. I don't mind paying for a good meal. What gets me is that I felt cheated, ripped off. There is nothing at this restaurant that would bring me back, much less recommend it.
A couple of weeks ago, Jeri and I ate at "El Cholo" in La Habra. While some of the food can be a little touristy,it was still good and we went away satisfied. so what's the purpose of this post? I felt like complaining and you guys were it!
My favorite fighter, in my favorite fight, beating my favorite guy I like to see beaten. It doesn't get any better.
Good post!
My feelings exactly, no welter today is in the league of Duran on this night. How many were?
This Duran walks thru Pac and Mayweather, can you imagine?
You'll get no argument from on this Rick! On this night Duran was still Duran!
Randyman wrote:Do you ever do something sutpid and you know it's stupid when you're doing but you do it anyway? That's what I did today. Jeri and I drove over to Brea today to watch "Bad Teacher", the new Cameron Diaz movie. After the movie we walked across the street to Cha Cha' Tacos and Tequila for some dinner before heading home. I heard a lot of good things about this place. A sort of neo Mexican Restaurant. The "neo" is my word for it. They use a chimichurri sauce on their meats, which is Argentinian, so it's kind of fusion food as well. I was really looking forward to eating here.
My little alarm went off when I looked at the menu and saw that the carne asada plate with yukon potatoes was 19.00, but I ordered it anyways, yeah, I know, Jeri ordered the carnitas plate for 18.00. They asked Jeri what type of tortillas she wanted and she said "corn". When the waitress started to walk away I asked "What about my tortillas?" Oh, yours doesn't come with any tortillas". She said. "Huh, no tortillas?" I ordered some. I'm no cheapo but 19.00 for a carne asada plate and no tortillas??!! In fact, 19.00 for a carne asada plate? I only had water with my meal and it was funny tasting tap water.
Still, I was determined to see this through, convinced that there would be a happy ending to this. I was disappointed when my plate came. A small strip of meat, sliced diagonally covered with chimichurri sauce and sere with roasted Yukon potatoes. I wasn't getting my Mexican fix. Jeri's plate looked good but looks can be deceiving. The meat had a weird taste. The serving of rice and beans were a fraction of what one would get at a regular Mexican restaurant.
It's not so much that the food was so bad, at best, it was mediocre, and it's not so much that the price was too high. I don't mind paying for a good meal. What gets me is that I felt cheated, ripped off. There is nothing at this restaurant that would bring me back, much less recommend it.
A couple of weeks ago, Jeri and I ate at "El Cholo" in La Habra. While some of the food can be a little touristy,it was still good and we went away satisfied. so what's the purpose of this post? I felt like complaining and you guys were it!
Randy, sometimes El Cholo is all it takes to satisfy us Gringos.
The food tastes pretty good to me, and the Margaritas are numero uno on my all-time list.
And El Cholo is also home to great memories and times through out my life.
However, for the Super Gringos with a lot of courage, like Remy & Tom, there is this little cafe a few miles east. El Tepeyak.
After stopping a Norwegian in nine, Manuel awaits the tall Swede.
Tom, you might be able to get a couple days of training at El Cholo in preperation for Manuel.
I'll be glad to work your corner. I'm kinda like Ray Arcel was when he worked the corners of many of Joe Louis's "Bum of the Month Club" opponents. During the instructions for one bout Louis sees Arcel standing by his opponent. The Brown Bomber says, "You again?"
When the waiter delivers the burrito to the table he'll see me and say, "you again?" To himself he'll smile and say "dumb bastids!"
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1958-10-04 126½ Ike Chestnut 128½ 29-11-4
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L UD 10 10
referee: Lee Grossman 90-97 | judge: Dynamite Jackson 89-98 | judge: Tommy Herman 92-97
Cotero was knocked down in the 7th round.
1958-08-09 127½ Tommy Bain 127½ 32-9-3
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Tommy Hart 100-92 | judge: Dynamite Jackson 98-88 | judge: John Thomas 99-92
Bain was knocked down in the 9th round.
1958-06-14 Victor Manuel Quijano 40-11-2
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W PTS 10 10
1958-04-12 126 Jimmy Moser 125¾ 9-6-0
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L TKO 12 12
time: 2:51 | referee: Dynamite Jackson 99-108 | judge: Dick Young 102-109 | judge: Tommy Herman 107-106
California State Featherweight Title Eliminator
Cotero was knocked down for an eight-count in the 12th round.
1957-11-08 127½ Davey Moore 128 26-5-1
Capitol Arena, Washington, District of Columbia, United States L UD 10 10
referee: Eddie La Fond 81-99 | judge: Julian Whitestone 89-100 | judge: Benny Alperstein 88-100
1957-09-14 127½ Ike Chestnut 128 27-8-3
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L UD 10 10
referee: Mushy Callahan 93-95 | judge: Jimmy Wilson 93-97 | judge: Tommy Hart 92-96
1957-05-28 126 Ricardo Moreno 127 28-2-1
Gilmore Field, Los Angeles, California, United States W KO 7 10
time: 2:24 | referee: Mushy Callahan 59-53 | judge: Tommy Hart 57-55 | judge: Dynamite Jackson 57-55
1957-03-09 126 Larry Bataan 125 25-5-6
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W UD 12 12
USA California State featherweight title
1957-01-19 128 Kid Anahuac 127¾ 29-9-4
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L UD 10 10
referee: Tommy Hart 94-97 | judge: Reggie Gilmore 95-97 | judge: Jimmy Wilson 94-96
1956-12-08 128½ Dave Gallardo 130 54-22-7
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Dick Young 97-88 | judge: John Thomas 98-91 | judge: Frankie Van 98-95
Gallardo was knocked down for a nine-count in the 4th round.
1956-11-03 127¾ Bobby Bell 126 41-26-5
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Dynamite Jackson 98-92 | judge: Russ Bradford 98-95 | judge: Reggie Gilmore 96-94
1956-10-06 128 Bobby Courchesne 129 47-5-2
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W TKO 10 10
time: 2:09 | referee: Dynamite Jackson
Courchesne was knocked down twice in the 10th round.
1956-08-04 128¾ Panchito Bolanos 131 7-8-0
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Abe Roth 95-92 | judge: John Thomas 96-89 | judge: Frankie Van 99-95
Bolanos was knocked down once in the 9th and 10th rounds.
1956-06-30 126 Kenny Davis 125½ 18-7-3
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L UD 12 12
referee: Reggie Gilmore 113-116 | judge: George Latka 114-115 | judge: Charley Randolph 112-117
vacant USA California State featherweight title
1956-04-28 128 Kenny Davis 124½ 18-6-3
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Mushy Callahan 56-53 | judge: Reggie Gilmore 56-53 | judge: John Thomas 55-54
1956-02-10 127½ Manuel Armenteros 124 27-17-3
Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico L PTS 10 10
1956-01-21 129 Russell Tague 128 39-9-4
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W RTD 4 10
Tague did not answer the bell for the 5th round, due to a cut over his left eye.
1955-12-17 129 Tommy Bain 125½ 25-3-2
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States D PTS 10 10
referee: Mushy Callahan 54½-54½ | judge: Russ Bradford 54½-54½ | judge: John Thomas 54½-54½
1955-10-15 127½ Wayne Cooke 124½ 18-5-2
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W TKO 8 10
referee: Reggie Gilmore
A bad cut over Cooke's left eye, forced a stoppage.
1955-10-04 Larry Vasquez 7-2-0
Civic Center, Butte, Montana, United States L PTS 10 10
1955-08-25 128 Gil Velarde 129½ 10-7-1
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Mushy Callahan 59-51 | judge: Dynamite Jackson 60-50 | judge: Russ Bradford 58-52
Velarde was knocked down in the 3rd round.
1955-06-25 128 Kid Anahuac 126 13-7-4
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L SD 10 10
referee: Tommy Hart 54½-55½ | judge: Dynamite Jackson 53½-56½ | judge: Charley Randolph 55½-54½
1955-05-24 129 Pete Kawula 129 19-1-2
Ocean Park Arena, Santa Monica, California, United States W UD 10 10
Kawala was knocked down once in the 5th and 6th round.
1955-04-26 129 Chico Rosa 127 32-18-2
Ocean Park Arena, Santa Monica, California, United States W TKO 10 10
referee: Russ Bradford
Rosa was knocked down twice in the 3rd round, and twice in the 10th round.
1955-04-02 129 Russell Tague 128 34-5-3
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Frankie Van 57-53 | judge: Tommy Hart 55½-54½ | judge: Jack McDonald 56½-53½
1955-03-10 128 Reuben Smith 129 21-15-6
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L SD 10 10
referee: Mushy Callahan 54½-55½ | judge: Reggie Gilmore 53-57 | judge: Jimmy Wilson 56-54
1955-03-01 128½ Gil Velarde 128¾ 8-5-1
cean Park Arena, Santa Monica, California, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Russ Bradford 57-52 | 59-50½ | 56-54
1955-01-22 Reuben Smith 21-14-6
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Mushy Callahan 56½-53½ | judge: George Latka 57-53 | judge: Russ Bradford 56-54
1955-01-04 129 Augie Villa 128½ 7-4-1
Ocean Park Arena, Santa Monica, California, United States W TKO 6 10
referee: George Latka
Villa was knocked down twice in the 6th round.
1954-12-07 128½ Billy Evans 126½ 25-29-16
Ocean Park Arena, Santa Monica, California, United States W PTS 10 10
1954-11-16 127½ Sonny Strauss 127½ 1-1-0
Ocean Park Arena, Santa Monica, California, United States W PTS 10 10
referee: Tommy Hart 59-51
Strauss was knocked down in the 3rd round.
1954-10-26 127 LeRoy Richards 126 6-6-2
Ocean Park Arena, Santa Monica, California, United States W PTS 10 10
referee: Mushy Callahan 56-53
1954-10-05 126 Tony Maiorana 123¼ 12-8-4
Ocean Park Arena, Santa Monica, California, United States W KO 3 10
time: 2:11 | referee: George Latka
1954-05-24 126 Russell Tague 126 30-2-3
Civic Center, Butte, Montana, United States L PTS 10 10
1954-03-16 127 Dave Rollins 126 12-10-1
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States D PTS 10 10
referee: Frankie Van 55½-54½ | judge: Tommy Hart 55-55 | judge: John Thomas 55-55
1954-02-01 124½ Reuben Smith 126½ 18-12-4
Arena, South Gate, California, United States D PTS 10 10
referee: Charley Randolph 55-55 | judge: Reggie Gilmore 54-56 | judge: Jimmy Wilson 57-53
1953-11-24 124¾ Dave Rollins 126 11-10-1
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L UD 10 10
referee: Abe Roth 53-57 | judge: Reggie Gilmore 53½-56½ | judge: Lee Grossman 54-56
1953-10-06 121½ Tommy Umeda 122 32-30-9
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Abe Roth 57-53 | judge: Tommy Hart 57-53 | judge: Tommy Herman 58-52
1953-09-01 124 Jesse Mongia 122¼ 23-4-0
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W KO 7 10
time: 2:07 | referee: Mushy Callahan
Mongia was knocked down twice in the 7th round.
1953-08-11 122½ George Jacquet 119½ 2-6-0
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TKO 5 6
Jacquet's cornerman entered the ring with the towel, after he had rose from a nine-count knockdown.
1953-07-20 122½ Billy Evans 123¾ 17-21-12
Arena, South Gate, California, United States W PTS 6 6
1953-07-07 122¼ Alex Fimbres 121 30-21-3
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TKO 4 6
1953-06-26 121½ Sammy Garcia 117 13-20-8
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W PTS 6 6
1953-05-26 122½ George Jacquet 119 2-5-0
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W UD 6 6
1953-03-31 123 Jorge Manjarrez 122 3-5-0
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L UD 6 6
Manjarrez was knocked down in the 3rd round.
1953-03-10 120 George Jacquet 118 2-2-0
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TKO 6 6
Jacquet was knocked down twice.
1952-12-27 123 Nicho Trejo 127½ 0-1-0
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W PTS 4 4
1952-12-09 120 Fernando Bastidas 122½ 3-5-8
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L PTS 4 4
1952-12-02 119 Fernando Bastidas 120 3-5-7
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States D PTS 4 4
1952-11-19 Ramon Sosa 9-5-1
Auditorio Municipal, Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico W UD 6 6
1952-11-15 121 Billy Evans 124½ 14-13-9
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W PTS 4 4
1952-09-30 119 Billy Peacock 117 5-1-0
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L PTS 4 4
1952-09-09 121½ Billy Evans 121¾ 13-11-6
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States D PTS 4 4
1952-08-30 122 Conde Miranda 121½ 1-2-1
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W TKO 2 4
1952-08-05 119 Billy Bevel 119 7-8-5
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W PTS 4 4
1952-08-02 119½ Billy Evans 124 11-11-5
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L PTS 4 4
1952-07-29 118½ Lorenzo Arana 122½ 3-3-2
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W PTS 4
country United States
residence Los Angeles, California, United States
won 19 (KO 10) + lost 9 (KO 4) + drawn 0 = 28
rounds boxed 192 KO% 35.71
1958-11-09 Pimi Barajas 16-7-1
Mexicali, Baja California, Mexico L KO 8
1958-10-31 Kildo Martinez 6-20-6
Ciudad Obregon, Sonora, Mexico W PTS 10 10
1958-10-04 Roque Fernandez 11-15-3
Monterrey, Nuevo León, Mexico W KO 9 10
1958-09-23 118 Raul Leanos 118 35-8-2
Plaza de Toros, Torreon, Coahuila de Zaragoza, Mexico W KO 6 10
1957-12-07 118 Billy Peacock 117¾ 36-16-1
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L TKO 8 12
time: 2:36 | referee: Jimmy Wilson 63-68
vacant USA California State bantamweight title
A cut over Campos's right eye, led to the stoppage.
1957-09-14 Pat Supple 29-1-1
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W PTS 10 10
1957-08-31 118 Jose Luis Mora 118 12-6-0
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico W KO 3 10
1957-05-01 122 Jose Toluco Lopez 124 34-6-2
Mexicali, Baja California, Mexico L PTS 10 10
1956-09-29 Ernesto Parra 121 16-6-1
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico L PTS 10 10
1956-06-23 118 Ricardo Moreno 122 21-2-1
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico L KO 4 10
1956-05-18 117½ Pimi Barajas 119¾ 7-2-0
Wrigley Field, Los Angeles, California, United States L SD 10 10
1956-03-19 118½ Joey Benson 123 4-5-0
San Francisco Gardens, San Francisco, California, United States L PTS 10 10
referee: Frankie Brown 54½-55½
1956-03-09 Jorge Gabino Gomez 2-6-2
Piedras Negras, Coahuila de Zaragoza, Mexico W PTS 10 10
1956-02-22 121 Luke Sandoval 123 6-8-2
San Francisco Gardens, San Francisco, California, United States W TKO 5 6
1955-12-06 121 Joey Benson 121 4-2-0
Auditorium, Richmond, California, United States W PTS 10 10
referee: Ray Flores 59-51
1955-11-09 122 Vic Eisen 122 23-12-3
Auditorium, Oakland, California, United States W KO 2 10
1955-05-12 119 Pimi Barajas 116½
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W UD 10 10
Barajas was knocked down in the 3rd round.
1955-02-10 118 Baby Moe Mario 118½ 21-6-4
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TKO 3 10
Reported as first time Mario had ever been floored or stopped and as his first loss since 1953
1954-10-30 117 Jackie Spurgeon 113 4-1-0
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Tommy Hart 60-50 | judge: Frankie Van 61-49 | judge: Russ Bradford 59-51
1954-05-08 116½ Jesse Mongia 119¾ 26-6-0
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L UD 10 10
referee: Charley Randolph 50-60 | judge: Dynamite Jackson 49½-60½ | judge: Reggie Gilmore 51-59
1954-02-20 117 Jimmy Quinn 118 8-4-0
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W TKO 7 10
time: 1:22 | referee: Frankie Van
1953-12-26 115 Johnny Gonzalez 118
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W TKO 2 6
Gonzalez was knocked down twice.
1953-06-13 116½ Alex Fimbres 119½ 29-21-3
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L TKO 2 6
1953-05-09 116½ Jimmy Quinn 118 4-1-0
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W TKO 3 4
1953-04-18 George Jacquet 2-3-0
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W PTS 4 4
1953-04-04 115 Alonso Aviles 116 0-3-0
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W TKO 2 4
1953-02-14 115½ George Jacquet 116 2-0-0
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W PTS 4 4
Pro debut for Campos, according to the Los Angeles Tribune
Rick Farris wrote:After one round of Rios-Antillian, it's a great fight!
This is what boxing needed. A good fight-competitve fight.
I'm not a Brandon Rios fan, but he and Antillian both fought with old school heart.
Great fight while it lasted. Rios is a good fighter inside the ring, a nasty guy outside the ring. With his style I don't think he will last long, he takes too many punches, but he is a good puncher, take a good shot, so I give him a couple of years on top, then it will be a fast slide to palookaville...
Rick Farris wrote:After one round of Rios-Antillian, it's a great fight!
This is what boxing needed. A good fight-competitve fight.
I'm not a Brandon Rios fan, but he and Antillian both fought with old school heart.
Great fight while it lasted. Rios is a good fighter inside the ring, a nasty guy outside the ring. With his style I don't think he will last long, he takes too many punches, but he is a good puncher, take a good shot, so I give him a couple of years on top, then it will be a fast slide to palookaville...
Did anyone watch the francisco Sierra vs Jesus Gonzalez fight last night ?
Friday Night fights w/ Teddy Atlas & Co on ESPN .
Not a bad fight. A few knockdowns and both had bad cuts over the eyes but to my suprise the 2 ring doctors examined the fighters a few times and let them continue to the 12 rd end.
UD by Gonzalez in the end keeping his ABCD* titles but it was a thrilla till the final 3 rds.
Sierra actually was scoring heavy and beating Gonzalez to the punch with longer reach,
but the shorter and much lighter (Sierra came in 6 lbs over the contracted wt) had the extra wind and strength to out point the stronger Sierra.
Sierra had nothing left in rds 10,11 & 12th rds. Nada, nothing ,nil. If he had better conditioning he had this guy beat.
Lots of blood and good solid punches and few dramatic knockdowns had me watching the whole fight , but I knew who won before it was announced.
Hometown kid Gonzalez fighting in front his fans at US Airway Center, Phoenix,Az.
, I only did this one because its Keeny Teran and Gil Cadilli.... 
To himself he'll smile and say "dumb bastids!"