Dose Mitchell have the power to hurt murray

[cakes]

From his not so impressive opponents does Kevin really have what it takes to trouble the normally dour able mr murray. I mean John ant had the best opponents in the build up but can we really expect fireworks..... Especially after the silly "ring thing"????

[NazNaci1]

I think he can hurt him but Mitchell's problem, imo, is that he thinks he can bang anyone out and as a result tends to slug a little too much.

I suggested that he would lose to Katsides because of this and whilst he was boxing for a round or 2, as soon as he was caught, he stood his ground and fired back. It may work against the guys he was beating but stepping up a level you gotta be, either exceptionally gifted or exceptionally disciplined.

I think Mitchell can beat Murray but, again, I think Murray will pressure him too much and force him to 'fight' and whilst I don't think Mitchell gets stopped, I figure fighting that type of fight, there will be only one winner.

Just my view on it

PS Sorry to go off on one, but the answer to your question was 'Yes'

[leforge]

Fight won't happen most likely outcome!

[DougieC30]

Fight won't happen most likely outcome!

Am thinking positive! Your probs right but. Am taking Mitchell. And to answer the original post, yes Mitchell can hurt Murray

[THE MESSIAH]

Bust him up instead of hurt, imo.

Murray takes too many shots, but I agree the fight won't happen.

[TheCobra]

Why do so many people think the fight won't happen? What was the reason for the first one being cancelled I haven't really stayed up to speed on this one.

[TheCobra]

It's ok scrap that I read the other thread and rumours that Mitchell isn't ready for this. WOuld be a big shame but certainly not a surprise.

[stevek3lly]

I think he has the power over the fight rather than one off punch power, but dont think he will get far enough to test Murray too much. Stopped in 7.

[Josh1111]

I just cant see the fight happening

[Crazyboy]

I just cant see the fight happening

this, and....

Fight won't happen most likely outcome!

this i'm afraid...

In answer to your question though, yes of course he can....but i still think Murray would win SHOULD they ever fight.

[Benito]

I really don't know what to expect from this fight now. I had been thinking that Mitchell would be able to outbox Murray, but all the pictures I've seen of Mitchell in the build up he just looks a bit haggered. Not the bright-eyed athlete you would hope to see in the lead up to a big fight.

I know that's quite a superficial thing to say, but I'm not expecting much from him to be honest. I don't think he'll have enough to cause problems for Murray, and I can see him tiring in the middle rounds before being stopped.

[Manchester Massive]

I just cant see the fight happening

Is this because of Mitchell not training properly or Murray?

[Final round]

I get the feeling that power isn't his problem I think his self belief is gone and he doesn't come across as a man who lives and breathes to box. Unless your an unbeleivable talent I don't think you can get away with it. hope i'm wrong though! He's a good boxer

[whiskey]

Well i've not heard any rumours that Mitchell wont be fighting...

..that said, I've had a strange feeling it wont happen either.

Dont ask me why, but like others have said - Mitchell seems to be all at sea lately.

Without highlighting his problems again, he got banned for drink driving, blew his title shot in front of a packed audience in his football mecca and has bit the hand that feeds him for the first Murray shot (demanding more loot after a poor effort previously) and now putting fight back a week cos he wasnt ready. (not mentioning allegations / court for drugs)

If Mitchell turns up and wins - his life changes.

If Mitchell turns up and gets battered - I think he'll hit the skids big time.

Personally, I'd not recommend him take the fight whilst the circus surrounds him. I'd deal with that side of things, then if it gets resolved I'd then resume the career.

To fight for a payday is not the right mentality. He needs to fight to want/prove he's the best in the country. This kind of cloud hovering over your camp will affect his eating, sleeping, training - everything. Thus he wont be 100%.

[MightyWarrior]

Don't know why, but think it'll happen: if Mitchell pulls out again he's f***ed.

And I think he's the type to still have massive belief in himself, until someone proves to him otherwise. And I think Murray might do just that, grind him down for a late TKO.

Having said that, Murray hasn't faced anyone as good as Kev is, on his night, so the right punch at the right time, might just un-do Murray.

How about the winner against the winner of the lightweight war at the weekend ? I'd advise staying clear of this guy for awhile, massive hitter.

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[allahsnackbar]

bam bam would walk through both of them

[palooka]

Mitchell on a good day certainly hits hard enough to hurt and trouble Murray; with the way John boxes he is asking for trouble as he fights harder opposition. Murray is not Marvin Hagler and if he attempts a steam roller job he may get caught and hard.

[TheCobra]

I can't see Mitchell really having enough to properly hurt Murray, I haven't really seen Murray overly troubled by anyone yet but he does take far too many punches so there is always the cvhance of accumulation. You have to take Murray to win this fight with all the rumours surrounding Mitchell, Murray is a consumate professional and will be in the shape of his life.

[goldenears]

i was talking about this with a lad who used to train with Kevin a lot a while ago and sparred with him often, and he said that Kevin is a naturally spiteful puncher and can definitely hit hard for his weight. There's no doubt that a 100% Kevin Mitchell against 100% John Murray is a 50/50 fight and that if Kevin is on the top of his game - as he was against Prescott and also Mendoza (where he took Mendoza off his feet with an uppercut), he could either box his way to victory or catch Murray if John just ploughs forward in time honoured fashion.

There's major doubts over Mitchell though, he was obviously not himself for Katsidis, and who knows how he and his body will respond to the way he's treated it in the past year. Murrays also had whispers about his general lifestyle being not perfect and has been pedestrian in last few fights but part of that could be the lack of serious motivation - we saw that with Macklin too, unconvincing before Sturm fight and then up quite a few notches - maybe we'll see that from John here if Mitchell has some sharpness.

There's more worries about Mitchell simply because it seems he's had such a bad personal spell and we could see a shell of the fighter he was, and Murray has been more active and in a competitive winning gym. For those reasons you've got to make Murray the favourite - it simply depends which Kevin Mitchell (and indeed which John Murray) turn up.

Great bill now at the Echo. Hope all the top 4 fights happen.

[NazNaci1]

What has hurt Mitchell more than anything else has been his soft opponents, bar Johanssan and Katsides.

That give him and his camp a false sense of security (mendoza was awful and no way a tune up for Katsides) and when Katsides kicked the bells out of him, his confidence went.

That something which is not so easy to recapture, If Murray forces Mitchell in the phonebooth stuff, Mitchell despite his boast about being able to do it all, can't fight and win that way against better opposition.

[bfchunk]

Headline on front page "Kevin Mitchell makes Danny Dyer's arsehole shake"

I immediately thought of this:

[IRLangmaid25]

When you look at Kevin Mitchell's record of 23 knockouts in 31 wins, you think it is pretty impressive. However most if not all of his knockout wins have been down at Super Featherweight, while all of John Murray's KO wins have been at Lightweight so Murray has the advantage in my eyes. I do think Mitchell does have another dig to Murray something to think about it but not to put him down though.

[TheCobra]

When you look at Kevin Mitchell's record of 23 knockouts in 31 wins, you think it is pretty impressive. However most if not all of his knockout wins have been down at Super Featherweight, while all of John Murray's KO wins have been at Lightweight so Murray has the advantage in my eyes. I do think Mitchell does have another dig to Murray something to think about it but not to put him down though.

Exactly, Mitchell enjoyed a typical 'Warren fighter' career, padded record against hand-picked opponents at a lower weight as well. I don't doubt that Kevin has some power, but not enough to put down a big, strong and seasoned lightweight like Murray who could really be a Light-Welter.

[Josh1111]

I just cant see the fight happening

Is this because of Mitchell not training properly or Murray?

Mitchell. The fact they had to postpone the fight a weel as Mitchell is apparently struggling with the weight. I love watching both fighters so i hope to god it goes ahead. The closer we get to the fight the more chance i think there is

[stevek3lly]

This fight is happening now. Come on Murray, show the world what you have.