Classic American West Coast Boxing

[CNorkusJr]

Come to think about it-Has anyone heard from Remy yet ?
Did his plane land yet ?

Could be dangerous flying at high altitude over the ocean with a "Manual's Special" inside of you.

I dont know if I'll take on a Manuals Special, but that "Gabriels Special" above looks a darn mighty good from here.

Hope you get better Frank, my blood pressure pills do the same thing with me from time to time, and I have to go in for a meds "tune up". One thing interacts with another and next thing you know, a high reading is low on something, and a low thing is high on another.

2 weeks ago I had a sinus infection and the antibiotic my doctor put me on whacked everything out, as she told me might happen. It did. Had to get re-tuned up this past Monday.Once my eyes stop spinning, I let you know how everything went.

Remy got back safe, Charlie. He said when he landed in Oslo his luggage was still in Newark .
I imagine he is busy working lots of overtime to pay for his recent trip. When Remy came he brought his girlfriend, his newborn baby and his lady's sister. While he and I were out running hills, challenging Manuel, and checking out LA boxing sites, the girls went out doing what women do best - spending $.
The young man is on his way to "kept man" supremecy (or financial ruin )
After reading thru a few pages of the "Kept Man" manuel Frank loaned me, Remy is "investing" in his future.

[CNorkusJr]

No pressure Frank, I know how doctors office visits can be and especially those cardio tests, but I would really like to see you in good health at next years HOF luncheon. WE ALL would like to see you at next years big event.

[kikibalt]

Have an 11:00 AM appointment with a cardiologist at USC's University Hospital tomorrow (7-14-20011)

[Rick Farris]

Have an 11:00 AM appointment with a cardiologist at USC's University Hospital tomorrow (7-14-20011)

[Rick Farris]

R.I.P. Betty Ford

[Panzerfaust]

Come to think about it-Has anyone heard from Remy yet ?
Did his plane land yet ?

Could be dangerous flying at high altitude over the ocean with a "Manual's Special" inside of you.

I dont know if I'll take on a Manuals Special, but that "Gabriels Special" above looks a darn mighty good from here.

Hope you get better Frank, my blood pressure pills do the same thing with me from time to time, and I have to go in for a meds "tune up". One thing interacts with another and next thing you know, a high reading is low on something, and a low thing is high on another.

2 weeks ago I had a sinus infection and the antibiotic my doctor put me on whacked everything out, as she told me might happen. It did. Had to get re-tuned up this past Monday.Once my eyes stop spinning, I let you know how everything went.

Remy got back safe, Charlie. He said when he landed in Oslo his luggage was still in Newark .
I imagine he is busy working lots of overtime to pay for his recent trip. When Remy came he brought his girlfriend, his newborn baby and his lady's sister. While he and I were out running hills, challenging Manuel, and checking out LA boxing sites, the girls went out doing what women do best - spending $.
The young man is on his way to "kept man" supremecy (or financial ruin )
After reading thru a few pages of the "Kept Man" manuel Frank loaned me, Remy is "investing" in his future.

Im back safe and sound.... and not even broke( i worked late today, though just to be nice)

luggage came a week later wich was a little head ache , but on the bright side i didnt have to drag it from the airport and home

[Panzerfaust]

Have an 11:00 AM appointment with a cardiologist at USC's University Hospital tomorrow (7-14-20011)

God bless Frank, hope all turns out well

[Panzerfaust]

I'm hoping Tom was just joking when he spoke of challenging Manuel.
You know what Manuel said as Remy and I left? "Pinche gringo!"
Remy asked, "what did he say?" I told him, "he said thank you".

I'm not joking; I'm serious!! The match is on next time I'm in LA!!

Gabacho's in the Barrio . . .

Tom, I'm the Ray Arcel of LA tablemen, who will work with out-of-town guys looking to take on Manuel.
Remember, Arcel worked with many of Louis's "Bum of the Month" opponents, like Abe Simon, Buddy Baer, etc.
So used to seeing Arcel standing next to his opponents during instructions, the Brown Bomber once looked at Ray and said, "You again?"
Today in Boyle Heights, when Manuel sees me walk into El Tepeyac with a hunry Gringo , he asks, "You again?"
Me, I'll be there with Malox, Pepto, Alka-Seltzer, whatever it takes to keep my charge from going belly up like a gold fish in the ELA aquarium of Manuel.
I've got a little respect there, they know I'm quick to get my overeaten prospect in the car and out of the Eastside in respectable time!
I also know of nearby Colonics therapy parlors where the will glady extract the tons of beans, beef, rice, guacamole, slasa, celantro, omions, tomatoes and God knows what right out your _____ .
The colonics factories really know how to "knock the sh*t out of a guy who has undrestimated the Ruben Olivares over ELA Burritos.
I got evidence that I'd step in with Duran, Olivares, Arguello, Lopez and Chacon . . . but if you ask me to order a "Manuel's Special", I'll answer, "Kiss my Gabacho ass!"
"My friend, Olympic Pole Vauit champ Bob Seagren used to have a saying. Bob's grandmother was a Swedish immigrant.
Bob used to say, "I'll go through him like sh*t through a tall Swede!" I never understood the statement?
It just occured to me you are the first "tall Swede" I ever knew.
Maybe what Manuel has to dish out will be "no challenge" to a "tall Swede?" Maybe Tom will tear thru Manuel?
Tom, nobody expects you to eat 1 1/2 of them like Randy did. But if a Gringo from this thread executed one Manuel, he will forever have my respect.
Make us proud! I'll help! Let's go get Manuel, right in his barrio!

Tom, after that devestating loss to Manuels special, I have decided to take a step back in class and fight the Kid Hollenbeck's for the remainder of my career , but the best of luck to you pall If youre coming out for the CBHOF ill join in on the fun and maybe K.O a Hollenbeck on the undercard

[kikibalt]

Have an 11:00 AM appointment with a cardiologist at USC's University Hospital tomorrow (7-14-20011)

God bless Frank, hope all turns out well

Thanks Ram. I think all the Mexican food gotten to me....

[Rick Farris]

Remy got back safe, Charlie. He said when he landed in Oslo his luggage was still in Newark .
I imagine he is busy working lots of overtime to pay for his recent trip. When Remy came he brought his girlfriend, his newborn baby and his lady's sister. While he and I were out running hills, challenging Manuel, and checking out LA boxing sites, the girls went out doing what women do best - spending $.
The young man is on his way to "kept man" supremecy (or financial ruin )
After reading thru a few pages of the "Kept Man" manuel Frank loaned me, Remy is "investing" in his future.

Im back safe and sound.... and not even broke( i worked late today, though just to be nice)

luggage came a week later wich was a little head ache , but on the bright side i didnt have to drag it from the airport and home

Hey Remy, work a few extra hours for both Frank & I. At the moment, we are both being kept.

[kikibalt]

Mike Quarry

[kikibalt]

Blind Canto Robledo working the corner....

[Rick Farris]

I'm not joking; I'm serious!! The match is on next time I'm in LA!!

Gabacho's in the Barrio . . .

Tom, I'm the Ray Arcel of LA tablemen, who will work with out-of-town guys looking to take on Manuel.
Remember, Arcel worked with many of Louis's "Bum of the Month" opponents, like Abe Simon, Buddy Baer, etc.
So used to seeing Arcel standing next to his opponents during instructions, the Brown Bomber once looked at Ray and said, "You again?"
Today in Boyle Heights, when Manuel sees me walk into El Tepeyac with a hunry Gringo , he asks, "You again?"
Me, I'll be there with Malox, Pepto, Alka-Seltzer, whatever it takes to keep my charge from going belly up like a gold fish in the ELA aquarium of Manuel.
I've got a little respect there, they know I'm quick to get my overeaten prospect in the car and out of the Eastside in respectable time!
I also know of nearby Colonics therapy parlors where the will glady extract the tons of beans, beef, rice, guacamole, slasa, celantro, omions, tomatoes and God knows what right out your _____ .
The colonics factories really know how to "knock the sh*t out of a guy who has undrestimated the Ruben Olivares over ELA Burritos.
I got evidence that I'd step in with Duran, Olivares, Arguello, Lopez and Chacon . . . but if you ask me to order a "Manuel's Special", I'll answer, "Kiss my Gabacho ass!"
"My friend, Olympic Pole Vauit champ Bob Seagren used to have a saying. Bob's grandmother was a Swedish immigrant.
Bob used to say, "I'll go through him like sh*t through a tall Swede!" I never understood the statement?
It just occured to me you are the first "tall Swede" I ever knew.
Maybe what Manuel has to dish out will be "no challenge" to a "tall Swede?" Maybe Tom will tear thru Manuel?
Tom, nobody expects you to eat 1 1/2 of them like Randy did. But if a Gringo from this thread executed one Manuel, he will forever have my respect.
Make us proud! I'll help! Let's go get Manuel, right in his barrio!

Tom, after that devestating loss to Manuels special, I have decided to take a step back in class and fight the Kid Hollenbeck's for the remainder of my career , but the best of luck to you pall If youre coming out for the CBHOF ill join in on the fun and maybe K.O a Hollenbeck on the undercard

The Big Event - Tom vs. Manuel . . .

Coming up in LA during the years of George Parnassus, I came to appreciate the International flavor of his promotions.
You had Olivares from Mexico, Alan Rudkin from Liverpool, Des Rea from Ireland, Rodrigo Valdez from Columbia, Napoles from Cuba via Mexico, etc., etc.

The second descendent of Scandanavian blood will attempt to blow out Manuel's candle right in his hometown of Boyle Heights.
Tom Ray doesn't match himself easy, he comes to L.A. challenging the best right in their backyard.
If it were the 40's he'd be calling out Bolanos in one of George Parnassus restaurants, the 50's he'd be bating Art Aragon in that bar on Sunset, in the 60's he'd be spitting on the shoes of Jerry Quarry in the Quarry family bar in Norwalk.
In 2012, the hot kid in town is a $20 Burrito in ELA. I'd rather take my chances with Quarry.

Remy will take on Kid Hollenbeck in the semi-main. The Norwegian opens as a solid 2-1 favorite over Manuel's little brother.
We have the undefeated & undisputed retired champ, Randy De La O who will make a special appearance.
Sadly, nobody in the area capable of singing the Norwegian or Swedish National Anthyms before the matches, however, if I can convince Dan Hanley & Pop to join us, we'll get together and hum a spirited version of "Danny Boy"
In lieu of Pat O'Grady not being present to paste shamrocks or Swedish flags on the walls of Manuels, I'll wear a T-shirt with a Swedish flag on the back. They won't know I'm not a Swede, "just another gabacho" in the barrio.

We should sell tickets for this one!

[Rick Farris]

Mike Quarry

Sometimes it's not easy being a brother.
Rest in peace, Mike.

[Rick Farris]

Blind Canto Robledo working the corner....

Finally recognized by his hometown of Pasadena.
A mural in his honor in Villa Park.
Canto Robledo fought Speedy Dado six times, Midget Wolgast, Chalky Wright, Young Tommy.
Rest in peace, Canto.

[raylawpc]

Gabacho's in the Barrio . . .

Tom, I'm the Ray Arcel of LA tablemen, who will work with out-of-town guys looking to take on Manuel.
Remember, Arcel worked with many of Louis's "Bum of the Month" opponents, like Abe Simon, Buddy Baer, etc.
So used to seeing Arcel standing next to his opponents during instructions, the Brown Bomber once looked at Ray and said, "You again?"
Today in Boyle Heights, when Manuel sees me walk into El Tepeyac with a hunry Gringo , he asks, "You again?"
Me, I'll be there with Malox, Pepto, Alka-Seltzer, whatever it takes to keep my charge from going belly up like a gold fish in the ELA aquarium of Manuel.
I've got a little respect there, they know I'm quick to get my overeaten prospect in the car and out of the Eastside in respectable time!
I also know of nearby Colonics therapy parlors where the will glady extract the tons of beans, beef, rice, guacamole, slasa, celantro, omions, tomatoes and God knows what right out your _____ .
The colonics factories really know how to "knock the sh*t out of a guy who has undrestimated the Ruben Olivares over ELA Burritos.
I got evidence that I'd step in with Duran, Olivares, Arguello, Lopez and Chacon . . . but if you ask me to order a "Manuel's Special", I'll answer, "Kiss my Gabacho ass!"
"My friend, Olympic Pole Vauit champ Bob Seagren used to have a saying. Bob's grandmother was a Swedish immigrant.
Bob used to say, "I'll go through him like sh*t through a tall Swede!" I never understood the statement?
It just occured to me you are the first "tall Swede" I ever knew.
Maybe what Manuel has to dish out will be "no challenge" to a "tall Swede?" Maybe Tom will tear thru Manuel?
Tom, nobody expects you to eat 1 1/2 of them like Randy did. But if a Gringo from this thread executed one Manuel, he will forever have my respect.
Make us proud! I'll help! Let's go get Manuel, right in his barrio!

Tom, after that devestating loss to Manuels special, I have decided to take a step back in class and fight the Kid Hollenbeck's for the remainder of my career , but the best of luck to you pall If youre coming out for the CBHOF ill join in on the fun and maybe K.O a Hollenbeck on the undercard

The Big Event - Tom vs. Manuel . . .

Coming up in LA during the years of George Parnassus, I came to appreciate the International flavor of his promotions.
You had Olivares from Mexico, Alan Rudkin from Liverpool, Des Rea from Ireland, Rodrigo Valdez from Columbia, Napoles from Cuba via Mexico, etc., etc.

The second descendent of Scandanavian blood will attempt to blow out Manuel's candle right in his hometown of Boyle Heights.
Tom Ray doesn't match himself easy, he comes to L.A. challenging the best right in their backyard.
If it were the 40's he'd be calling out Bolanos in one of George Parnassus restaurants, the 50's he'd be bating Art Aragon in that bar on Sunset, in the 60's he'd be spitting on the shoes of Jerry Quarry in the Quarry family bar in Norwalk.
In 2012, the hot kid in town is a $20 Burrito in ELA. I'd rather take my chances with Quarry.

Remy will take on Kid Hollenbeck in the semi-main. The Norwegian opens as a solid 2-1 favorite over Manuel's little brother.
We have the undefeated & undisputed retired champ, Randy De La O who will make a special appearance.
Sadly, nobody in the area capable of singing the Norwegian or Swedish National Anthyms before the matches, however, if I can convince Dan Hanley & Pop to join us, we'll get together and hum a spirited version of "Danny Boy"
In lieu of Pat O'Grady not being present to paste shamrocks or Swedish flags on the walls of Manuels, I'll wear a T-shirt with a Swedish flag on the back. They won't know I'm not a Swede, "just another gabacho" in the barrio.

We should sell tickets for this one!

I'm already in training. Today, I polished off three Einstein's Bageldogs, two pickles and a bag of chips for lunch.

Normally, I eat two bageldogs - but today I ordered three.

Linda asked me why I got three bageldogs. "I'm in training," said I.

"In training?? In training for what?"

"For the Manuel. Next time I'm in LA, I'm tackling a giant burrito called the Manuel. Rick and Frank dared me."

"You're a 56-year-old grandfather. When will you finally grow up?"

Not until after I kayo the Manuel!

[CNorkusJr]

Remy got back safe, Charlie. He said when he landed in Oslo his luggage was still in Newark .
I imagine he is busy working lots of overtime to pay for his recent trip. When Remy came he brought his girlfriend, his newborn baby and his lady's sister. While he and I were out running hills, challenging Manuel, and checking out LA boxing sites, the girls went out doing what women do best - spending $.
The young man is on his way to "kept man" supremecy (or financial ruin )
After reading thru a few pages of the "Kept Man" manuel Frank loaned me, Remy is "investing" in his future.

Im back safe and sound.... and not even broke( i worked late today, though just to be nice)

luggage came a week later wich was a little head ache , but on the bright side i didnt have to drag it from the airport and home

A Airport Luggage story..........

In 2003, I needed to get away from New York. I told Rosie "anywhere-further the better".... The horrors of 2001 has now lasted as a 2 year nightmare for me. My mom passed away suddenly in June 2001, then 9-11 hit, less than 90 days later. After working on the pile at the WTC for 6 months, and attending the Memorial Services and Funerals you could ever fit into a lifetime- I told her I needed a mental break from the stress.

We chose Savannah, Georgia for a 5 days. We been there before, and found it tranquil,good restaurants and just a pleasant place to be. The South seems to be a much less slower paced than NY, as is with many other places and cities in the USA.

We landed at Savannah Airport, pretty modern and up to date as airport standards go, and of course a heightened security level that was permeating all our airports nationawide. Leaving NY was easy enough, and landing in Savannah was even easier.

After our delightful stay, rejuvenated my batteries and got the heart rate down, we packed for home. Rose got up and took a shower then was going to pack her bags, I packed my bags first leaving out what I needed for the trip home then took my shower after Ro.
While I took my shower, Rose realized she bought more stuff than her bags can handle
and to make room, took her toiletries and hair dryer w/cord and put them in my luggage without mentioning it to me.

When we got to the airport we checked in and flew home. Security standards had me strip down to my civies because an inhaler I had in my pocket kept activating the security beep.
No big deal, minor delay and I didnt mind.
At LaGuardia airport, the nightmare began. Waiting for our luggage, Rose's came through but mine did not. After waiting for the carousel to be empty, we proceded to the security booth to report of missing luggage-mine.
After a delay on the computer the attendant was using and a taxi out front waiting to give us a ride home, finally the attendant called me over and asked one question " Sir, did you have any electronics in your luggage ?" My immediate answer was "No". Rose standing next to me listening. Again he asked' Describe your luggage ? & Did you have any electronics ?"
Turning to Rose, I said "Did you put anything in my luggage" she said "No".

He had me fill out a form and he told me they are trying to track it down. They "Dont have it". They will call me if they find it. We went home after a 90 minute wait for this.
At home Rose unpacked her bag, as we talked about this hassle. I was pissed off to no end at the airlines. After Rose unpacked she uttered "Uh-OH". I thought no further and by the sound of her uh-oh wanted to strangle her. She said she put her corded hair dryer in my bag without telling me.She "forgot"- 5 hours earlier-she "forgot".
Do you think an xray of the luggage , that hair dryer would look like a bomb ?

The procedure is to call the airlines everyday for a recorded message on my case number. After 5 days-a rep called me and asked me if I had any electronics in my luggage.
I told her that I didnt but my knucklehead wife did. The hair dryer. They delivered the luggage the next day with duct tape wrapped around it as they cut open the nylon cover to access the bag. A note inside said that the FAA is not responsible for damaged luggage due to security reasons. Law # such and such.
Rose and her items must now stand inspection before and coming home from airplane flights by my security inspection.

[kikibalt]

Tom, after that devestating loss to Manuels special, I have decided to take a step back in class and fight the Kid Hollenbeck's for the remainder of my career , but the best of luck to you pall If youre coming out for the CBHOF ill join in on the fun and maybe K.O a Hollenbeck on the undercard

The Big Event - Tom vs. Manuel . . .

Coming up in LA during the years of George Parnassus, I came to appreciate the International flavor of his promotions.
You had Olivares from Mexico, Alan Rudkin from Liverpool, Des Rea from Ireland, Rodrigo Valdez from Columbia, Napoles from Cuba via Mexico, etc., etc.

The second descendent of Scandanavian blood will attempt to blow out Manuel's candle right in his hometown of Boyle Heights.
Tom Ray doesn't match himself easy, he comes to L.A. challenging the best right in their backyard.
If it were the 40's he'd be calling out Bolanos in one of George Parnassus restaurants, the 50's he'd be bating Art Aragon in that bar on Sunset, in the 60's he'd be spitting on the shoes of Jerry Quarry in the Quarry family bar in Norwalk.
In 2012, the hot kid in town is a $20 Burrito in ELA. I'd rather take my chances with Quarry.

Remy will take on Kid Hollenbeck in the semi-main. The Norwegian opens as a solid 2-1 favorite over Manuel's little brother.
We have the undefeated & undisputed retired champ, Randy De La O who will make a special appearance.
Sadly, nobody in the area capable of singing the Norwegian or Swedish National Anthyms before the matches, however, if I can convince Dan Hanley & Pop to join us, we'll get together and hum a spirited version of "Danny Boy"
In lieu of Pat O'Grady not being present to paste shamrocks or Swedish flags on the walls of Manuels, I'll wear a T-shirt with a Swedish flag on the back. They won't know I'm not a Swede, "just another gabacho" in the barrio.

We should sell tickets for this one!

I'm already in training. Today, I polished off three Einstein's Bageldogs, two pickles and a bag of chips for lunch.

Normally, I eat two bageldogs - but today I ordered three.

Linda asked me why I got three bageldogs. "I'm in training," said I.

"In training?? In training for what?"

"For the Manuel. Next time I'm in LA, I'm tackling a giant burrito called the Manuel. Rick and Frank dared me."

"You're a 56-year-old grandfather. When will you finally grow up?"

Not until after I kayo the Manuel!

[Randyman]

Have an 11:00 AM appointment with a cardiologist at USC's University Hospital tomorrow (7-14-20011)

Hope it all turns out well Frank. Keep us informed!

[Randyman]

Tom, after that devestating loss to Manuels special, I have decided to take a step back in class and fight the Kid Hollenbeck's for the remainder of my career , but the best of luck to you pall If youre coming out for the CBHOF ill join in on the fun and maybe K.O a Hollenbeck on the undercard

The Big Event - Tom vs. Manuel . . .

Coming up in LA during the years of George Parnassus, I came to appreciate the International flavor of his promotions.
You had Olivares from Mexico, Alan Rudkin from Liverpool, Des Rea from Ireland, Rodrigo Valdez from Columbia, Napoles from Cuba via Mexico, etc., etc.

The second descendent of Scandanavian blood will attempt to blow out Manuel's candle right in his hometown of Boyle Heights.
Tom Ray doesn't match himself easy, he comes to L.A. challenging the best right in their backyard.
If it were the 40's he'd be calling out Bolanos in one of George Parnassus restaurants, the 50's he'd be bating Art Aragon in that bar on Sunset, in the 60's he'd be spitting on the shoes of Jerry Quarry in the Quarry family bar in Norwalk.
In 2012, the hot kid in town is a $20 Burrito in ELA. I'd rather take my chances with Quarry.

Remy will take on Kid Hollenbeck in the semi-main. The Norwegian opens as a solid 2-1 favorite over Manuel's little brother.
We have the undefeated & undisputed retired champ, Randy De La O who will make a special appearance.
Sadly, nobody in the area capable of singing the Norwegian or Swedish National Anthyms before the matches, however, if I can convince Dan Hanley & Pop to join us, we'll get together and hum a spirited version of "Danny Boy"
In lieu of Pat O'Grady not being present to paste shamrocks or Swedish flags on the walls of Manuels, I'll wear a T-shirt with a Swedish flag on the back. They won't know I'm not a Swede, "just another gabacho" in the barrio.

We should sell tickets for this one!

I'm already in training. Today, I polished off three Einstein's Bageldogs, two pickles and a bag of chips for lunch.

Normally, I eat two bageldogs - but today I ordered three.

Linda asked me why I got three bageldogs. "I'm in training," said I.

"In training?? In training for what?"

"For the Manuel. Next time I'm in LA, I'm tackling a giant burrito called the Manuel. Rick and Frank dared me."

"You're a 56-year-old grandfather. When will you finally grow up?"

Not until after I kayo the Manuel!

Spoken like a true fighter. My gut instinct says that Tom will finish off the whole plate. I'll be there when it happens but only as an observer.

[Randyman]

Wait till Randy sees this!!!



My cousin Gabriel Melendez: My lunch for today

Oops, that looked so real I took a bite out of the monitor. Gabriel is my kinda eater.

[Randyman]

Courtesy John Bardelli . . .
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WHERE HAVE YOU GONE JOE DIMAGGIO: REAL BOXING TRAINERS?
July 12th, 2011 By Chuck Marbry

Charlotte, NC- Well, I saw and heard it again this weekend; a fighter comes to his corner after getting his face re-arranged. He has to wait at least eight seconds for the stool to finally get into the ring. His so-called “trainer” doesn’t pull on his foul protector so he can breathe deeply and easier, then allows the fighter to prop his arms on the ropes instead of keeping them down to enhance blood flow and recuperation. The “trainer” wipes his guy’s face with a towel, covers his forehead with about ten pounds of Vaseline, gives his guy some water, pours water on his guy’s head (after putting Vaseline over his eyes), and his advice to his guy after getting pummeled for the previous three minutes? “Just throw punches, you doing good!”

SOME (MOST?) TRAINERS TODAY ARE MERE IMPERSONATORS!

It is amazing to me that in the boxing game at the professional level there are apparently so many “trainers” who neverexperienced the sport at even the most rudimentary levels of competition, yet are allowed to get licensed and work in corners as “experts”and are even at times acknowledged by some guys impersonating themselves as media, when all they are is a somebody with a keyboard and a press credential.

NOT THE KIND OF GIG “YOU LEARN ON THE JOB”

Granted, you do not have to actually stick your hand into the fire to know that it will burn you. However, there is something about having that experience that helps you relay that information to others with a bit more urgency. In the same way, you do not have to have been a fighter to become a good trainer. Angelo Dundeeis an excellent trainer, and if he ever fought, I am not aware of it.

NEED TO BE BAPTIZED & THEN TAUGHT THE GAME

To be a good trainer, you do have to immerse yourself into the sport for years. You have to hang around it, eat, sleep, watch learn, pick up little nuances here and there that will in time make big differences. You have to develop a sharp eye to be able to size up mental and physical qualities, not only of your fighter but of his opponent as well. The fighter that was getting the dickens beat out of him this weekend, whose “trainer” told him “Just throw punches” was getting hit so much because every time he threw a jab, he dropped his right. His opponent picked up on it and started timing his own left hooks and was nailing him! But if the extent of your instruction as a”trainer” is “Just throw punches,” that might work in the amateurs, but your guy is going to get killed in the professional ranks.

JEFF MAYWEATHER’S ONE TRAINER THAT TEACHES DEFENSE FIRST!

As I have said, there are a few good trainers,coaches and teachers of the manly art of self defense around today, precious few. But sadly, there are also too many goof-balls that get a license and call themselves trainers who are nothing of the sort. Just as we lack a depth of truly hungry fighters with that “fire in the gut”, so we also have a lack of and a dilution of the ones who used to “stoke the fire” in the gut!

CAN YOU NAME FIVE “EXCELLENT” TRAINERS TODAY?

Think about it. With a precious few exceptions as far as trainers go, in terms of knowing how to train a fighter. and in terms of general boxing knowledge, is there really anyone out there who is close to comparing to Lou Kemp, Whitey Bimstein, Freddie Brown, Jackie McCoy, Ray Arcel or Charley Goldman?

IF YOUR TRAINER DOESN’T CARE, WILL YOU?

And when you watch almost any heavyweight bout today on any card, almost always one if not both fighters look like a “before” example on a Weight Watchers commercial. The only thing I can figure is that the lax mental attitude of our society today has affected our “trainers” and fighters, as well as fan’s for tolerating an inferior product. I mean, many times the poor physical conditioning is obvious.

TRAINERS NEED TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY TOO!

That has to come back on the “trainer” giving in to the whims of the fighter. I know that if I had told my trainer, Lou Kemp, “I don’t think I’m gonna run or spar today,” two things would have happened, in this order; 1) He would have kicked my lazy tail, and 2) He would have canceled the fight. Period. Not out of spite or some power control issue. He cared about his fighters and he cared about me. He knew if I wasn’t right mentally or physically going into a fight, I was going to get hurt. That’s what a trainer does.

GOOD TEACHERS WORK THE BODY & THE MIND

You have to analyze and prepare a fighter physically and mentally to fight. True conditioning requires a fighter to always be busy. There are no secrets to hard work and plenty of it.

FIGHTERS NEED TO ANALYZE A TRAINERS NET VALUE TO HIM

Also, many of today’s fighters are allowed by their “trainers” to fight dumb. They follow their opponents around the ring in a straight line. Trainers don’t know how to teach cutting off the ring. They also fight standing straight up, they don’t know how to use a crouch or to bob and weave. The great lessons of the past are being lost because we don’t have anyone to teach them. The Old School Masters showed us the way. but many think the “New and Improved” is better…”Just throw punches, you doing good.”

One of our biggest beefs on this site. Lack of proper trainers is causing a domino effect. I also think that when a fighter has the right trainer in his corner, he works and tries harder, he fights for him, doesn't want to disappoint him and wants to live up to the expectations. Just my opinion. Thanks John. Good post Rick.

[Randyman]

Mike Quarry

Sometimes it's not easy being a brother.
Rest in peace, Mike.

Proud to have known (briefly) him, to have sparred with him, and to open the show for him and Tom Bethea back in 1976. He was no longer quite the same Mike Quarry when I spoke with him in 1993.
Rest In Peace Mike.

[Randyman]

Im back safe and sound.... and not even broke( i worked late today, though just to be nice)

luggage came a week later wich was a little head ache , but on the bright side i didnt have to drag it from the airport and home

A Airport Luggage story..........

In 2003, I needed to get away from New York. I told Rosie "anywhere-further the better".... The horrors of 2001 has now lasted as a 2 year nightmare for me. My mom passed away suddenly in June 2001, then 9-11 hit, less than 90 days later. After working on the pile at the WTC for 6 months, and attending the Memorial Services and Funerals you could ever fit into a lifetime- I told her I needed a mental break from the stress.

We chose Savannah, Georgia for a 5 days. We been there before, and found it tranquil,good restaurants and just a pleasant place to be. The South seems to be a much less slower paced than NY, as is with many other places and cities in the USA.

We landed at Savannah Airport, pretty modern and up to date as airport standards go, and of course a heightened security level that was permeating all our airports nationawide. Leaving NY was easy enough, and landing in Savannah was even easier.

After our delightful stay, rejuvenated my batteries and got the heart rate down, we packed for home. Rose got up and took a shower then was going to pack her bags, I packed my bags first leaving out what I needed for the trip home then took my shower after Ro.
While I took my shower, Rose realized she bought more stuff than her bags can handle
and to make room, took her toiletries and hair dryer w/cord and put them in my luggage without mentioning it to me.

When we got to the airport we checked in and flew home. Security standards had me strip down to my civies because an inhaler I had in my pocket kept activating the security beep.
No big deal, minor delay and I didnt mind.
At LaGuardia airport, the nightmare began. Waiting for our luggage, Rose's came through but mine did not. After waiting for the carousel to be empty, we proceded to the security booth to report of missing luggage-mine.
After a delay on the computer the attendant was using and a taxi out front waiting to give us a ride home, finally the attendant called me over and asked one question " Sir, did you have any electronics in your luggage ?" My immediate answer was "No". Rose standing next to me listening. Again he asked' Describe your luggage ? & Did you have any electronics ?"
Turning to Rose, I said "Did you put anything in my luggage" she said "No".

He had me fill out a form and he told me they are trying to track it down. They "Dont have it". They will call me if they find it. We went home after a 90 minute wait for this.
At home Rose unpacked her bag, as we talked about this hassle. I was pissed off to no end at the airlines. After Rose unpacked she uttered "Uh-OH". I thought no further and by the sound of her uh-oh wanted to strangle her. She said she put her corded hair dryer in my bag without telling me.She "forgot"- 5 hours earlier-she "forgot".
Do you think an xray of the luggage , that hair dryer would look like a bomb ?

The procedure is to call the airlines everyday for a recorded message on my case number. After 5 days-a rep called me and asked me if I had any electronics in my luggage.
I told her that I didnt but my knucklehead wife did. The hair dryer. They delivered the luggage the next day with duct tape wrapped around it as they cut open the nylon cover to access the bag. A note inside said that the FAA is not responsible for damaged luggage due to security reasons. Law # such and such.
Rose and her items must now stand inspection before and coming home from airplane flights by my security inspection.

I can't imagine the horrors of living in NY at that time, and being a fireman to boot! Tough guys New Yorkers!

My condolences on the loss of your mother.

[CNorkusJr]

Too bad we all dont live close by together. As a group, we could go get a big kid out of reform school or somewhere and train him ourselves to be the next Heavyweight Champ.!!!


Rule # 1 Too many cooks can spoil the broth.

We can all spend an hour a week with him, and by Friday, the poor kid would be so mixed up in stances and upper cuts that he would want us to put back in reform school.