[SPOILER/RBR] Murray, Mitchell, Gavin, Bellew, etc.

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I thought Woodhouse turning pro was a bit of a stunt and was a bit surprised he was capable of beating any average journeyman.
Before tonight he had already gone much further than that and had made me very much eat my words.
However I would have bet my mortgage on Gavin having an early night tonight because I still thought there was a big difference in levels.
Curtis has proved me very wrong again and more importantly proved himself to be a hell of a fighter and a hell of a man.
In fact he is a complete freak, to have played at his level in football and to have pushed a man with Gavins pedigree so close with limited experience is just amazing.
He must have so much natural talent, he probably is still on a big learning curve, just think what he could have done if he started early and had some amateur grounding :bow: :bow: :bow:
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Yeah well done Curtis he seems like a top lad and deserves all the credit in the world. Hopefully he can go on to win a British title.
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bfchunk wrote:Nelson says he would have done the same thing as Bellew. Can't disagree with that :lol:

He would have!
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Greenyox3 I never said Murray was no good! Nobody did, he was never 5th best lightweight out there either though. As proved tonight.

Mitchell was quality tonight but perspective is needed. Katsidis isn't truly elite yet he would beat Kev ten times out of ten. Yet here we have punters saying Mitchell should fight Khan and saying he "blew it" against Katsidis.

Big props to Mitchell. He was quality and showed plenty of character. Looking forward to his next fight already!

Curtis needs to stop being reffered to as the ex-footballer now. Thesedays it should just be, Curtis Woodhouse, boxer. Simple as that. Delighted for him, even though he lost he can be proud of himself.
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yiddo14 wrote:Greenyox3 I never said Murray was no good! Nobody did, he was never 5th best lightweight out there either though. As proved tonight.

Mitchell was quality tonight but perspective is needed. Katsidis isn't truly elite yet he would beat Kev ten times out of ten. Yet here we have punters saying Mitchell should fight Khan and saying he "blew it" against Katsidis.

Big props to Mitchell. He was quality and showed plenty of character. Looking forward to his next fight already!

Curtis needs to stop being reffered to as the ex-footballer now. Thesedays it should just be, Curtis Woodhouse, boxer. Simple as that. Delighted for him, even though he lost he can be proud of himself.
Mitchell got his court case next hopefully that does not derail his progress. What next for Murray?
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chiggsy wrote:Mitchell tko before the 8th for me
Very Good!
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leforge wrote:
yiddo14 wrote:Greenyox3 I never said Murray was no good! Nobody did, he was never 5th best lightweight out there either though. As proved tonight.

Mitchell was quality tonight but perspective is needed. Katsidis isn't truly elite yet he would beat Kev ten times out of ten. Yet here we have punters saying Mitchell should fight Khan and saying he "blew it" against Katsidis.

Big props to Mitchell. He was quality and showed plenty of character. Looking forward to his next fight already!

Curtis needs to stop being reffered to as the ex-footballer now. Thesedays it should just be, Curtis Woodhouse, boxer. Simple as that. Delighted for him, even though he lost he can be proud of himself.
Mitchell got his court case next hopefully that does not derail his progress. What next for Murray?
A break, 8 rounder and then a fight with Gavin Rees for the EBU Belt sounds good to me. It would be some scrap.
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johnswan1 wrote:McGuigan was spot on with his comments on Frankie.
Yep all that talent and he's wasting it at welter. Its the lazy choice, hopefully he'll knuckle down - thing is young lad, big talent, fair bit of cash i expect he's going to have some fun for a while, here's hoping its a short phase.
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Made up mitchell won he deserves it after the last 2 years hes had, think murray will go up to light welterweight



Frankie v woodhouse was never a split descion and your lucky sky never showed it on full it was worse than the bellew fight
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I picked Murray tonight,but how wrong was i!! praise where its due,i thought Mitchell was top dollar...Bellew disappointed me,what masterclass is he on about?? i almost fell asleep watching that!! What i see of the Gavin-Woodhouse fight Curtis deserves the plaudits&McGuigan was spot on what he said about him&if he cant knuckle down under Arnie perhaps he needs a change&a new trainer(thats no slate at Arnie)
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diggler wrote:Made up mitchell won he deserves it after the last 2 years hes had, think murray will go up to light welterweight



Frankie v woodhouse was never a split descion and your lucky sky never showed it on full it was worse than the bellew fight
Really worse than that? Matt C of boxing news had it a draw.
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Fantastic from Mitchell, seemed to fight for most of the fight with a perferated ear drum. I did notice his balance wasn't that great at times. Look at the times he needs to hold on to the ropes to steady himself.

I did tip Murray based on ring rust and to be honest I didn't believe Mitchell that things went so well in training. I was convinced this press thing about the drugs must have affected his preperation.... Fantastic fight, and lovely interview at the end. Here is hoping for Mitchell vs Murray 2 for a world title.

Always had the feeling Murray could get stopped in the same way Margarito did against Mosley. Whilst the two fights were very different the way Murray got stopped was quite similar.... just wilted.

Just want to say whilst the bill dissapointed (apart from the main event) - I really enjoyed the show. I thought that was one of the best performances by the sky team in a while. I was critical of John Rawling 2 weeks ago, thought he was excellent tonight. Jim Watt, as usual, fantastic...... Barry McGuigan, maybe a special praise to him..... not entirely agreed with all his comments and he got Mitchell and Murray's names mixed up frequently - but my he didn't pull any punches when it came to Gavin and the Cook vs Burns fight. I enjoyed Glen McCory comments also - nice to see someone go for Mitchell.... and Gary Newbon I thought was excellent as the anchor.... loads of enthusiasm and a good style. Nice to see some "old fashioned" words being used "Mitchell was really hammering Murray"!! Johnny Nelson was largely redundant and didn't add that much IMO - but didn't at least wasn't forced to playing a role as he is at PPV's.
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leforge wrote:
diggler wrote:Made up mitchell won he deserves it after the last 2 years hes had, think murray will go up to light welterweight



Frankie v woodhouse was never a split descion and your lucky sky never showed it on full it was worse than the bellew fight
Really worse than that? Matt C of boxing news had it a draw.

Yeah sadly it was worse, I thought by frankie won by 6 or 7 round guess what you liked frankies better shots or woodhouse going forward
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nah Frankie won that fight pretty clear but curtis was game and brave

you have to wonder if Frankie has the power to cut it at the top level, he didn't trouble Curtis even with the weight advantage even tho his superior skillset was obvious

he just doesn't have the conditioning of world class welterweights. Something needs to change if he is going to compete at the highest level, absolutely no doubt he has buckets and buckets of talent but that isn't going to get him through without the real graft
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Just watched the fights a little on the delayed side after I failed to convince the missus she needed to go out and had to take her out myself instead.

Bellew-Mckenzie - Snorefest. First half of the fight as I thought it would go but I had hoped Bellew would open up a bit and try and make a point again later on. He seems to think it was a masterclass, not so sure Bellew is as good as he thinks he is. Really can't see him going that far.

Burns-Cook - Felt really sorry for Cook, he looked in a lot of pain and was quite brave trying desperately to fight on. Tragic, just one of those things. Was even feeling sorry for w*nk Warren at this point of the show!

Mitchell-Murray - I don't particularly like the spammer but I have to say I thought Mitchell was outstanding. I didn't agree with Jim Watt's scoring, I had Mitchell 6-1 up going into the 8th, I thought he was dominating although Murray had his surges. Typical result based commentry from Sky too, saying it was nip and tuck up to the 7th and then when Mitchell closes the deal all of a sudden it was a Mitchell virtuoso masterclass performance.

Gavin-Woodhouse - A shame Sky didn't just start the broadcast at 8 and show this in its entirity, for f**ks sake they have 4 sports channels. Hard to comment based on what I saw, a good result for Woodhouse in defeat probably, I didn't expect him to go the distance let alone take it to a split decision.

All in all not the thrilling night's boxing I had hoped for but still very entertaining. We need more shows like this SKY!!!!!!!!!
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Deno1986 wrote:
J-C wrote:Well done Mitchell, was not a fan previously for some reason but I am now.
Me too. :lol:

There is something about a fighter coming back from a devastating loss and producing a performance like that which deserves a massive show of respect. Hopefully Mitchell can get another shot at a title although I think Rios is all wrong for him. Hard to believe he is still only 26 aswell.
Yeah agree, I am a sucker for a good comeback story.
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Woodhouse should get a rematch at light welter
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Goz wrote:
Deno1986 wrote:
J-C wrote:Well done Mitchell, was not a fan previously for some reason but I am now.
Me too. :lol:

There is something about a fighter coming back from a devastating loss and producing a performance like that which deserves a massive show of respect. Hopefully Mitchell can get another shot at a title although I think Rios is all wrong for him. Hard to believe he is still only 26 aswell.
Yeah agree, I am a sucker for a good comeback story.
It's always exciting when fighters come through in 'last chance' fights. This had a bit of the Moore/Rhodes feel about it, with younger fighters obviously.
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I had Gavin ahead by six rounds.

Woodhouse impressed me (again) with his tenacity and also his chin at times, took some good shots.

My main criticism of Gavin is that he seems to paw with his jab too much rather than ramming it home. When he put his combinations together and worked the body shots and uppercuts he looked very classy indeed, and his footwork is outstanding.

The pawing with the jab allowed Curtis to throw a bit more caution to the wind than he ordinarily would have done and landed plenty of jabs and a few rights of his own.

It was another example of judges putting far too much emphasis on aggression rather than on defence, clean punching and ring generalship.

I echo the thoughts of pretty much everyone else though, can't praise Curtis enough for the effort and hope he gets a shot at a ''real'' title very soon. For Frankie, it's back to the drawing board - they need to keep him active. I'd be tempted to just stick him in, sink or swim. Maybe lack of motivation for these kind of fights is a problem deep down, as much as he might deny it?
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J-C wrote:
Goz wrote:
Deno1986 wrote: Me too. :lol:

There is something about a fighter coming back from a devastating loss and producing a performance like that which deserves a massive show of respect. Hopefully Mitchell can get another shot at a title although I think Rios is all wrong for him. Hard to believe he is still only 26 aswell.
Yeah agree, I am a sucker for a good comeback story.
It's always exciting when fighters come through in 'last chance' fights. This had a bit of the Moore/Rhodes feel about it, with younger fighters obviously.
You beat me too it Deano - reminded me of Rhodes vs Moore.... but with fighters at the peak of the game. I think part of why Rhodes vs Moore gelled so well was because both fighters were past their prime. Ryan being easier to hit than in the past and Moore not having the engine of old. I would like to give praise to Murray for a good effort also, for me he peaked at this fight. That was one of the best performances I have seen from him. Defence was better and seemed quicker.
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stujones wrote:
J-C wrote:
Goz wrote: Yeah agree, I am a sucker for a good comeback story.
It's always exciting when fighters come through in 'last chance' fights. This had a bit of the Moore/Rhodes feel about it, with younger fighters obviously.
You beat me too it Deano - reminded me of Rhodes vs Moore.... but with fighters at the peak of the game. I think part of why Rhodes vs Moore gelled so well was because both fighters were past their prime. Ryan being easier to hit than in the past and Moore not having the engine of old. I would like to give praise to Murray for a good effort also, for me he peaked at this fight. That was one of the best performances I have seen from him. Defence was better and seemed quicker.
I think Murray has definitely plateaued out in the last few fights and maybe dropped a little. Who knows why that is, but fighters with his style of eating punches are never gona have the longevity of a proper boxer-type.
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TheCobra wrote:
stujones wrote:
J-C wrote: It's always exciting when fighters come through in 'last chance' fights. This had a bit of the Moore/Rhodes feel about it, with younger fighters obviously.
You beat me too it Deano - reminded me of Rhodes vs Moore.... but with fighters at the peak of the game. I think part of why Rhodes vs Moore gelled so well was because both fighters were past their prime. Ryan being easier to hit than in the past and Moore not having the engine of old. I would like to give praise to Murray for a good effort also, for me he peaked at this fight. That was one of the best performances I have seen from him. Defence was better and seemed quicker.
I think Murray has definitely plateaued out in the last few fights and maybe dropped a little. Who knows why that is, but fighters with his style of eating punches are never gona have the longevity of a proper boxer-type.
Personally I think its the opposition. As John moves up he's going to not look as good.
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Also think the fight reminded me of Johannson vs Mitchell.... Bright start from Kev, opponent coming back into it...... looking like he will out strength him, for Kevin to finally make his opponent wilt with just the sheer volume of his cleaner punches. Johannson wilted in a similar way to Murray also... one minute he looked great, next just the snap had gone.
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stujones wrote:Also think the fight reminded me of Johannson vs Mitchell.... Bright start from Kev, opponent coming back into it...... looking like he will out strength him, for Kevin to finally make his opponent wilt with just the sheer volume of his cleaner punches. Johannson wilted in a similar way to Murray also... one minute he looked great, next just the snap had gone.
Yeh totally agree, it was very similar to that fight and I had a feeling in the back of my mind that was how it might pan out, Murray is fairly similar to Johansson in style and probably levels as well in terms of peak.
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Like the Rhodes-Moore fight, the clever boxer's bodypunching will be overlooked as followers of the pressure fighter rush to tell us it was the weight or space-vampires that was responsible for their charge's sudden aging, rather than getting clumped savagely in the ribs when they weren't prepared for it.

Mitchell's triple left uppercuts & feints followed by a sudden bodyshot from either side (long rights especially) reminded me of a cut-price Juan Manuel Marquez, & that's huge praise. He'd've beaten Murray on Murray's best night fighting like that, as fit & determined as he was.
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