Khan's legacy better than Hattons?

[kamicazze]

Not that I believe it to be the case but it could be argued that khans legacy is better than hattons. 2 or 3 more wins and it's a given.
Tszyu - kotelnik. Tszyu is clearly better
Maussa - salita. Maussa is far superior
Collazo - malignaggi. Fairly even
Urango - maidana. I give it to maidana
Castillo - mcloskey. Castillo is better name but at given stages of career then even.
Lazscano - Judah. Judah far better

Reason I've left mayweather out is im comparing their wins.'

[Mr T..]

Khans fought better oppoents and already done more than hatton imho

Maussa was a rubbish champion, Castillo was shot

[Johnny Cucumber]

Tszyu was better than anyone Khan has fought.

so at this stage I'd have to say Hatton, but if Khan beats Bradley then I think they would be on a par.

[observer1]

Amir Khan is only 24, and has achieved close to what Hatton did in his entire career.

Hatton COULD have had a few more big wins, but wasted his early years milking the WBU belt. As a result, when he finally went to America, his best wins were Tszyu, Collazo, Castillo and Urango.

Tszyu is clearly the pick of the bunch, whilst Collazo ,Castillo and Urango dont seem much in terms of World Class wins. Especially when they were simply stepping stones for the other Champions.

He lacks a big defining win such as the Cotto's, Moseley's, Clottey's, De La Hoya's, Margarito's etc.

I respect that he was 140, and most of the above names eventually campaigned at 147, but Hatton had a large frame and was/is infamously big, and could have easily campaigned at 147 also. However i think he himself knew he was limited and would struggle against them. As a result, he faced paper champions and regular belt holders.

He DID however atleast face two of the best p4p boxers in their PRIME of this Era, something other 'certain' British boxers wouldn't think twice of doing. Well, not until their past it and struggling for any real fights.

[whiskey]

Observer your full of garbage.

"he lacks a defining win such as Clottey" good grief.

"Collazo was a stepping stone" he was WBA champion and nobody Khan has faced to date would beat him.

"Hatton had a large frame and could easily campaign at 147" you've not a clue. Hatton is 5'6.

Hatton fought about 10 times with the WBU in 3 years. He didn't sit on it for a decade. He fought Vince Philips, Magee, Thaxton, Tackie all in and around that period as he learnt his trade.

Hatton was so popular he'd pack the MEN with those fights. He'd not ask for them to be PPV either.

Unlike Khan who got banged out for some WBO inter belt in front of about 3,000 tops in 60 seconds - despite having a huge career head start with the Olympics.

[Spiker]

Hatton caught Tszyu at the right time in truth.
Lost to both elite fighters of the division.
khans not quite there yet but he will eclipse Hatton soon.
Hatton may have packed out the MEN but that has nothing to do with legacy its to do with being Manc.

[CiganoBoxer]

is there a better chance of hatton going unbeaten facing Amirs opponents then Amir losing only two times to hattons opponents like hatton did ??
I think if Khan would of faced Tyszu at the age Hatton did Khan would of got KOed by Tyszu,there is a fair few on hattons resume that Hatton beat that Khan wouldn't of ,more so than there are on Khans resume that ricky wouldn't of beat trust me .

[crusader]

Khan is only 24 and in hypothetical fights I would already favor him over everyone that Ricky beat, with the possible exception of Tszyu, whom I would give Khan a very good chance against. If he doesn't burn out early it will be only a few years before he clearly surpasses Hatton in terms of top wins.

[Petaling Pete]

It is far to premature to consider Khan's legacy.

Based upon their achievements at 24. In 2002 Hatton had just beaten Eamon McGhee and Joe Hutchinson. A few years previously he had a scare against Jonathan Thaxton where a more cautious ref may have stopped him

Khan to his credit has pushed Warren and GBP to match him hard. Hatton seemed more content to allow allegedly to advance his career at a much slower pace.

Khan is also more willing to defend his title and unify. I found it a little irritating that Hatton droped belts as fast as he could pick them up and when he did unify he selected Maussa who was a fluke champ.

[LeedsLad]

To be fair though Hatton was given several crappy mandatory defences, which made no sense career wise and there were more lucrative options available.

After beating Urango he was told to fight Lovemore N'Dou. Alright, N'Dou was a good opponent at the time but if it was a straight choice between that or the Castillo fight, which option would you choose?

Belts aren't everything. The only crap mandatory Khan has been given to date was Salita, and in fairness they got the fight signed pretty quick and then got back into the gym immediately afterwards.

Hatton was less active after beating Tszyu and thus didn't have time for mandatories.

Maussa was a crap champion granted, but it's hard to criticise someone taking a unification fight immediately rather than several gash defences.

[superpunchout]

Ricky Hatton's legacy is better right now and unlike others, I do feel that the cultural impact he made can be included as a factor. Towards the end of his career, no British fighter since Frank Bruno had to fight with the weight of such expectation on their shoulders as Ricky did. Amir Khan could go on to surpass all that with sheer excellence, a win over Bradley and a competitive showing v Mayweather or Manny for example would tip the scales in his favour in my opinion.

[Jeff Thomas]

All these great names and not one over a prime champion. If he takes on Morales next he will be absolutely ridiculed at the end of his career needs to step up.

Maidana was taken the distance by a shot Morales and scraped through against a nieve Victor Ortiz and beaten by a gatekeeper in Kotelnik

Kotelnik is a gate keeper, he beat an allegedley poor champion in Rees to be crowned

Judah has looked awful for years.

You can pick holes in any resume but as much as I like Khan he's yet to beat a real champion for me. He wouldn't even be world champ if boxing were still goverened properly, I can admit that and i'm a fan.

[damianhucker1]

Personally i always though that due to Hattons popularity and a good nights work vs Tsyu he became hugely overated , the americans always thought he was overated but knew he made sense to bring over for financial reasons , he was never elite p4p level hence why he never stood a chance vs Mayweather or Pac man but id still agree that as to date hattons wins are of a higher level than the wins that Khan has achieved .

id say though that at khans age Hatton wasnt boxing as good opponents as what khan is so id imagine long term Khan will acheive more .

[black panther]

All these great names and not one over a prime champion. If he takes on Morales next he will be absolutely ridiculed at the end of his career needs to step up.

Maidana was taken the distance by a shot Morales and scraped through against a nieve Victor Ortiz and beaten by a gatekeeper in Kotelnik

Kotelnik is a gate keeper, he beat an allegedley poor champion in Rees to be crowned

Judah has looked awful for years.

You can pick holes in any resume but as much as I like Khan he's yet to beat a real champion for me. He wouldn't even be world champ if boxing were still goverened properly, I can admit that and i'm a fan.

I tend to agree with this except the bit about Kotelnik. He's a bit more than a gatekeeper: I'd say quality contender. He beat Maidana and in most people's eyes beat Devon Alexander.

[LeedsLad]

I think Maidana is pretty average too. He can't box for toffee, all he does is throw bombs and hopes that they do damage. He's not got a KO victory over a top contender really.... Ortiz hadn't beaten anyone of note at that point and was just the typical overpaid HBO job - and that was more of a quit in truth.

Failing to stop Shot Shot Corley says it all, considering Matthysse knocked him down about 50 times.

He's the better of the two Argentines for me, he beat Judah pretty clearly IMO and deserved the nod over Alexander too.

[kamicazze]

The thing is with Hatton's career was the frustration of some fights not happening and inactivity towards the end. He could have fought Arturo Gatti, Mickey Ward, Diego Corrales, Eirik Morales, Barrera, Junior Witter and Juan Manuel Marquez to seal his Legacy however he chose Carlos Maussa. Even at his WBU stages, Hatton would have been backed to beat these names. It took Hatton 39 fights to get his world title where Khan did it in his 22nd fight. Don't forget in many years to come people will look at Khan's record and see the name Marco Antonio Barrera

[gibbo]

the facts are hatton only ever lost to the two best fighters on the planet as he was fighting for p4p stats. khan lost to an unknown fighter who has gone on to do nothing for a nothing belt. khan won his title of kotelnyk who was a poor champion. hatton won his title of tszyu who was a p4p champ. the facts are on here for everyone to see hattons legancy AT THE MOMENT is far Superior to khans

[DIRT SUGAR]

Daft talking about his legacy let alone comparing it to Hatton's when he's only 24 and hasn't finished his career :??

[crusader]

the facts are hatton only ever lost to the two best fighters on the planet as he was fighting for p4p stats. khan lost to an unknown fighter who has gone on to do nothing for a nothing belt. khan won his title of kotelnyk who was a poor champion. hatton won his title of tszyu who was a p4p champ. the facts are on here for everyone to see hattons legancy AT THE MOMENT is far Superior to khans

If Kotelnik was a poor champ than Collazo was even worse and Maussa was terrible.

[LeedsLad]

I think Khan will go on to have a better career than Hatton did.

The loss to Prescott is pretty moot already if we're being honest with ourselves, he's since beaten a few handy fighters and made Zab look like a journeyman at the weekend.

In Hatton's first 38 fights he only faced about four good fighters - the rest were all C class if that, the likes of Pedersen were midgets and wouldn't have been any good in their natural class never mind at 140 against a prime Hatton.... and I consider myself a fan!

Thaxton
Magee
Phillips
Tackie

His best opponents pre-Tszyu. My mother could have beaten scrubs like John Bailey

It's all very well saying he only lost twice to the two outstanding fighters of his era, but outside of those two and Tszyu, who else did he fight that was realistically capable of topping him?

Cotto
Witter
Mosley
Margarito
Marquez
Khan

All operating in the 135-147 region during Hatton's spell at the top. Replace Maussa, Urango and Lazcano with three of those, and even if he went 1-2 in those fights he'd have a higher standing for me.

[freddydoesdallas]

Not that I believe it to be the case but it could be argued that khans legacy is better than hattons. 2 or 3 more wins and it's a given.
Tszyu - kotelnik. Tszyu is clearly better
Maussa - salita. Maussa is far superior
Collazo - malignaggi. Fairly even - Fairly even? How about comparing the Malignaggi wins by both? Collazo is a much better fighter than MalignaggiUrango - maidana. I give it to maidana - Maidaina is overrated. Both solid operators and i'd give it to Urango based on him winning a title and still being a tough opponent even nowCastillo - mcloskey. Castillo is better name but at given stages of career then even. McCloskey just doesn't compareLazscano - Judah. Judah far better. If Castillo had faded, so had Judah. Judah was good but never great, lost his big fights. Malignaggi again would be a better comparison here
Reason I've left mayweather out is im comparing their wins.'

I can't agree with most of the notes you made on those. I think Khan has a long way to go yet. He's got his hands on two titles and he deserves credit for that but no defining fights yet. It could be argued that this is Khan's biggest win yet he stopped a fella that was sparked by Tszyu (Hattons biggest win) nearly 10 years ago

[Jeff Thomas]

I think Khan will go on to have a better career than Hatton did.

The loss to Prescott is pretty moot already if we're being honest with ourselves, he's since beaten a few handy fighters and made Zab look like a journeyman at the weekend.

In Hatton's first 38 fights he only faced about four good fighters - the rest were all C class if that, the likes of Pedersen were midgets and wouldn't have been any good in their natural class never mind at 140 against a prime Hatton.... and I consider myself a fan!

Thaxton
Magee
Phillips
Tackie

His best opponents pre-Tszyu. My mother could have beaten scrubs like John Bailey

It's all very well saying he only lost twice to the two outstanding fighters of his era, but outside of those two and Tszyu, who else did he fight that was realistically capable of topping him?

Cotto
Witter
Mosley
Margarito
Marquez
Khan

All operating in the 135-147 region during Hatton's spell at the top. Replace Maussa, Urango and Lazcano with three of those, and even if he went 1-2 in those fights he'd have a higher standing for me.

I agree with this

[gibbo]

the facts are hatton only ever lost to the two best fighters on the planet as he was fighting for p4p stats. khan lost to an unknown fighter who has gone on to do nothing for a nothing belt. khan won his title of kotelnyk who was a poor champion. hatton won his title of tszyu who was a p4p champ. the facts are on here for everyone to see hattons legancy AT THE MOMENT is far Superior to khans

If Kotelnik was a poor champ than Collazo was even worse and Maussa was terrible.

Not once did i mention collazo or maussa. kotelnik won his belt of gavin rees who don't get me wrong i like, but he is a European level fighter. tszyu won his belt of zab inside two, and he was alot better then.

I do like khan and if he carry on the way he is going he can have a far better legacy than hatton. but i will say this when his time comes to face mayweather imo mayweather will be way past his best.

[Crease]

Khans fought better oppoents and already done more than hatton imho

I can't agree with this. No, not at all...


Khan has won a world title at Light Welterweight, and now he is a double unified champion at the weight
(But Hatton done that too)

Hatton also moved up in weight and became a World Champion at multiple weights... Khan hasn't done that yet.

Not to mention that Hatton has had a massive amount of title fights compared to Khan.

[Crease]

Khan is doing splendidly well, but his career is no-where near Ricky Hattons.