Wilt Chamberlain vs. Muhammad Ali 1967

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 11 Jul 2005, 13:12

Winstone Churchill would have a better chance!.... 8)

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 11 Jul 2005, 17:06

I saw Ali 'fight' with a Japanese wrestler. It was interesting... for about 20 seconds, then it just got boring - with the wrestler basically lying flat on his back the whole time (by choice).

I think Andre the Giant fought a boxer too, but I haven't seen that one.

barry · Post by **barry** » 11 Jul 2005, 17:33

Andre fought Chuck Wepner.

Chuck1052 · Post by **Chuck1052** » 11 Jul 2005, 18:33

Muhammad Ali was asked to say what would happen if
he fought Wilt Chamberlain. "Timber!" replied Ali.

Shaq isn't a great athlete? You have got to be kidding
me! In order to be a top pro basketball player, you
have to a tremendous athlete no matter how big you
are.

- Chuck Johnston

Dapaper · Post by **Dapaper** » 11 Jul 2005, 21:15

Well, I think you have to admit it is pretty relative. If Shaq was 6' tall he probably wouldn't even be much of a high school standout. Same thing with Wilt the Stilt, incidentally. The most athletic guys in the NBA, really, are the Mugsy Bogues' or Earl Boykins'. That's why I don't like sports like basketball that disproportionately favor some bizarre body type instead of pure athletic talent.

If you look at sports like boxing, or soccer, all different body types are successful. In a sport like the NBA, pretty much only one extremely rare body type is successful.

Rocky Marciano was built about as wrong as it is possible for a fighter to be built. All torso, no limbs. And he went as high in the sport as it is possible to go. Interesting to note, though, that Ali had basically the perfect boxing build -- all arms and legs, with a solid neck.

-Dapa

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 12 Jul 2005, 01:27

barry wrote:Andre fought Chuck Wepner.

Thanks barry, I just did a search on this and apparently Andre (RIP) won!

wouter · Post by **wouter** » 12 Jul 2005, 07:40

Manos de Oro wrote: Thanks barry, I just did a search on this and apparently Andre (RIP) won!

Yes, but it wasn't a boxing match

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 12 Jul 2005, 12:32

Manos de Oro wrote:I saw Ali 'fight' with a Japanese wrestler. It was interesting... for about 20 seconds, then it just got boring - with the wrestler basically lying flat on his back the whole time (by choice).

I think Andre the Giant fought a boxer too, but I haven't seen that one.

Yes that was the 'bore draw' with Antonio Inoki, apparently that was a fix as were Inokis fights with Leon Spinks, Chuck Wepner and Karl Midenberger.

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~YF7M-ON/ematch3.html

Andre The Giant did indeed fight Chuck Wepner as well, apparently Andre through big Chuck out of the ring 'as aranged' but in all the excitment Andre through him out of the wrong side of the ring and Wepner landed on the side WITHOUT the extra floor padding and damaged his back.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 12 Jul 2005, 14:30

Was actually interested in getting some of these until you said they were fixes.

Brutu · Post by **Brutu** » 12 Jul 2005, 20:07

Did you see the two,on the old television clip from ABC's Wild World of Sports from ca.1970.
Both Wilt Chamberlain and Ali were being interviewed by Howard Cosell.
Wilt had a chance,if Ernie Terrelll could box he could.
All Wilt had to be trained to do was jab,jab,jab at Ali's neck.
How you know Wilt would not have been able to take a punch?
He reportly was a fantastic phycicall specimen.
BTW Did you see Bruce Lee fight Kareem Abdul Jabbar in the 1972 un finished movie
Game of Deth?
nuff said.

dws · Post by **dws** » 12 Jul 2005, 20:44

How you know Wilt would not have been able to take a punch?

Because he never had to.
This thread reminds me of an interview with Curt Schilling who said that maybe 500 people out of a stadium full could even play catch with a major leaguer due to the velocity involved.His numbers might be off but the principal is the same,a world class,fast(in this case the fastest heavyweight ever)fighter would hit a normal guy off the street(yes,against Ali in an actual boxing match Wilt is no more than the typical guy off the street,hall of fame basketball player or not)so fornicating fast it would make his head spin,literally.

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 13 Jul 2005, 09:08

Brutu wrote:Did you see the two,on the old television clip from ABC's Wild World of Sports from ca.1970.

Actually, it was 1967...I vividly remember it, and it has been rerun on ESPN Classic a number of times...

Both Wilt Chamberlain and Ali were being interviewed by Howard Cosell.
Wilt had a chance,if Ernie Terrelll could box he could.

Ernie Terrell would have beat Wilt too...easily...

All Wilt had to be trained to do was jab,jab,jab at Ali's neck.

This was 1967...Ali at his peak...and you think all Wilt needed was training to jab to beat one of the top 3 heavyweights of all time?

How you know Wilt would not have been able to take a punch?
He reportly was a fantastic phycicall specimen.

There were many 'fantastic physical specimens'...and none of them could be trained on relatively short notice to beat a quality, experienced professional boxer...the first time one of those 'fantastic physical specimens' catches a good double hook to the ribs, they'd be in some serious trouble, gasping for air...

BTW Did you see Bruce Lee fight Kareem Abdul Jabbar in the 1972 un finished movie
Game of Deth?

Movies aren't real life...go watch the Rocky movies and tell me which one was realistic...

nuff said.

...except to say that the whole Ali-Chamberlain thing on Wide World of Sports was a ratings boosting publicity stunt...Wilt Chamberlain had absolutely no intention of actually fighting Muhammad Ali...It would have been nothing more than a freak show...every time Ali was asked about it, he always started laughing...it was a joke, a publicity stunt...nobody took it seriously...and now, almost 40 years later, it's still a joke...

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 13 Jul 2005, 09:20

HEY DOESNT CHUCK WEPNER GETTING THROWN OUT OF THE RING BY ANDRE THE GIANT REMIND U OF SOMETHING???

IT REMINDS ME IN ROCKY III WHERE THUNDERLIPS aka hulk hogan THROWS ROCKY OUT OF THE RING, EXCEPT ROCKY MANAGES TO GET BACK IN AND CHOKE THUNDERLIPS.

NOW WANST IT WEPNER WHO WAS USED AS A MODEL FOR THE ROCKY CHARACTER AFTER HIS GOOD FIGHT WITH ALI???

perhaps stallone heard about wepner "a underdog" taking on a huge wrestler and decided to copy that and make that scene in rocky III????? it makes sense, since stallone got the idea of rocky after seeing wepner fight ali, and he got thrwon out of the ring like wepner in rocky III except he came back in and fought to a draw.

just a curious thought.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 13 Jul 2005, 12:44

Manos de Oro wrote:Was actually interested in getting some of these until you said they were fixes.

I only read and heard they were fixes. I may be wrong.

For whats it's worth I think they were staged events.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 13 Jul 2005, 12:45

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote: perhaps stallone heard about wepner "a underdog" taking on a huge wrestler and decided to copy that and make that scene in rocky III????? it makes sense, since stallone got the idea of rocky after seeing wepner fight ali, and he got thrwon out of the ring like wepner in rocky III except he came back in and fought to a draw.

It does make sense, you may well be right.

barry · Post by **barry** » 13 Jul 2005, 13:27

I'd say that was the exact basis of that scene in Rocky III. Wepner tried to sue Stallone for a piece of the Rocky royalties, but I don't think anything ever came out of it. I also heard that Guz Dorazio was an inspiration of the story as well.

Brutu · Post by **Brutu** » 06 Jun 2010, 08:21

Here is the clip of Muhammad Ali and Wilt Chamberlain with Howard Cosell that was recorded March.10.1967
for ABC's WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS.
When Ali was still the undisputed Heavyweight champion and 12 days later would fight Zora Folley.
(note the audio on this particular clip is low)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Xjt-1Zvwo

Brutu · Post by **Brutu** » 06 Jun 2010, 09:45

Did you know as far back as December 1958,it was proposed by fight manager Jack Hurley,that he felt he could get Wilt Chamberlain
ready to fight Floyd Patterson for the heavyweight title?Chamberlain was with the Harlem Globetrotters back then.
Hurley felt he had all the strength speed and physical talent and size to do it.
Here is a link to rare photograph taken in 1962 of Patterson and Chamberlain.

http://books.google.com/books?id=J7wDAA ... pg=PA57&dq

hitman09 · Post by **hitman09** » 06 Jun 2010, 09:49

Ali KOs him early. No way does anybody, no matter how good an athlete or how big they are, get in the ring with a HW champ with no am or pro experience and last any more than a few minutes. I'd pick any champ above lightweight to win this easily.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 06 Jun 2010, 10:46

hitman09 wrote:Ali KOs him early. No way does anybody, no matter how good an athlete or how big they are, get in the ring with a HW champ with no am or pro experience and last any more than a few minutes. I'd pick any champ above lightweight to win this easily.

Wilt Chamberlain would KO Ali in a matter of seconds.

sixpack · Post by **sixpack** » 06 Jun 2010, 10:47

Grimm wrote:
hitman09 wrote:Ali KOs him early. No way does anybody, no matter how good an athlete or how big they are, get in the ring with a HW champ with no am or pro experience and last any more than a few minutes. I'd pick any champ above lightweight to win this easily.
Wilt Chamberlain would KO Ali in a matter of seconds.

hitman09 · Post by **hitman09** » 06 Jun 2010, 14:57

Grimm wrote:
hitman09 wrote:Ali KOs him early. No way does anybody, no matter how good an athlete or how big they are, get in the ring with a HW champ with no am or pro experience and last any more than a few minutes. I'd pick any champ above lightweight to win this easily.
Wilt Chamberlain would KO Ali in a matter of seconds.

Stop trolling.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 06 Jun 2010, 15:47

hitman09 wrote:
Grimm wrote:
hitman09 wrote:Ali KOs him early. No way does anybody, no matter how good an athlete or how big they are, get in the ring with a HW champ with no am or pro experience and last any more than a few minutes. I'd pick any champ above lightweight to win this easily.
Wilt Chamberlain would KO Ali in a matter of seconds.
Stop trolling.

You're the one that bumped this crazy topic

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 06 Jun 2010, 16:05

Wilt would not fare well against Valuev, much less Ali. And Wilt would be at the mercy of the likes of David Haye as well.

A trained top HW boxer.....vs a Basketball player in a boxing match.....that's about all you need to know.

By the way...Wilt would win any Basketball game one on one against of the names mentioned here as well.

hitman09 · Post by **hitman09** » 06 Jun 2010, 16:37

Grimm wrote:
hitman09 wrote:
Grimm wrote: Wilt Chamberlain would KO Ali in a matter of seconds.
Stop trolling.
You're the one that bumped this crazy topic

Are you trying to make a point?

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