Typical?

leforge · Post by **leforge** » 27 Jul 2011, 16:07

Adamj1987 wrote:warren needs to take a leaf from spence fearon's hardknocks and do more 50/50 fights at least on the undercard if he still wants to build a cash cow

colin lynes vs Brian rose would a 50/50 fight for me

Its prospect v mismatch on his shows!

Adamj1987 · Post by **Adamj1987** » 27 Jul 2011, 16:09

leforge wrote:
Adamj1987 wrote:warren needs to take a leaf from spence fearon's hardknocks and do more 50/50 fights at least on the undercard if he still wants to build a cash cow

colin lynes vs Brian rose would a 50/50 fight for me
Its prospect v mismatch on his shows!

choi vs asiku?

lloyd-taylor - broadbent?

spencer does put on more 50/50 fights per show than warren does .

a typical warren show will show all his fighters winning against journeymen or name opponents

Jeff Thomas · Post by **Jeff Thomas** » 27 Jul 2011, 16:12

greenyox3 wrote:The most telling comment for me here was "because he'll get beat". Of course he might get beaten. This is bloody boxing. This risk-averse attitude is detrimental to the sport and takes the p*ss out of the fans IMO. Hey, guess what, Barker MIGHT win as well.

I understand the need to build a fighter's career & fan base, but you can't keep putting boxers through 40-odd fights before they get their big one.

If I were a fighter who was offered a shot at the world title (the actual world title, not the WBU Aluminum belt), and my promoter turned it down because he was scared I'd get beat, I'd be extremely pi*ssed off .

Barker's had 23 fights, and is the British, Commonwealth and European champion. I think he's about as ready as you can get.

Great post

Jeff Thomas · Post by **Jeff Thomas** » 27 Jul 2011, 16:14

Best show i've ever been to was the recent prizefighter. Firstly my seats were amazing, every fight was relevant because it was a tourney- hardly any break between bouts and even if there was a break there were girls dancing - and I think one of them liked me no joke.

leforge · Post by **leforge** » 27 Jul 2011, 16:29

Adamj1987 wrote:
leforge wrote:
Adamj1987 wrote:warren needs to take a leaf from spence fearon's hardknocks and do more 50/50 fights at least on the undercard if he still wants to build a cash cow

colin lynes vs Brian rose would a 50/50 fight for me
Its prospect v mismatch on his shows!
choi vs asiku?

lloyd-taylor - broadbent?

spencer does put on more 50/50 fights per show than warren does .

a typical warren show will show all his fighters winning against journeymen or name opponents

I meant Warren shows!

Adamj1987 · Post by **Adamj1987** » 27 Jul 2011, 16:31

leforge wrote:
Adamj1987 wrote:
leforge wrote: Its prospect v mismatch on his shows!
choi vs asiku?

lloyd-taylor - broadbent?

spencer does put on more 50/50 fights per show than warren does .

a typical warren show will show all his fighters winning against journeymen or name opponents
I meant Warren shows!

sorry i thought you were disagreeing with me

pyenest77 · Post by **pyenest77** » 27 Jul 2011, 18:01

Personally for me I would love to do a show a month but when I see the bills full of mismatches with the same old faces doing the rounds, when you know that they arent going to win a round (I know it is there job to lose on points) then for me it isnt worth watching.
I agree that prospects need to learn their trade & for me they should be learning their trade against other hungry boxers not someone who has lost 33 on the bounce & has a complete & utter lack of ambition. That is not what I or any other boxing fans want.

frankgreaves · Post by **frankgreaves** » 27 Jul 2011, 21:19

Don't take the match because you will probably get beat!! WTF!! Barker has a chance in this fight, not a massive one but defo a chance, maybe he might win & shock everyone! I for one will be watching & rooting for him. I don't understand the attitude of some so called fans, he can defo come again even if he loses big! so he might have to drop back to euro level so what! Martinez has lost before! hopkins, Marquez, khan, pacquio, wlad, vitali have all lost!! take the chance! the list is endless of fighters that have lost & come back better. I've read so many people write that Chisora is finished now but there are many more domestic match ups I'd like to see him in, so what he lost his 0. many peeps bang on & on about UFC but most of their big names have all suffered defeat and are still a saleable asset! the biggest thing that can help boxing is more competitive matches. if barker loses he can still fight Macklin, bigger if he wins of course but still a very good match IMO. the main difference between boxing & UFC is marketing & boxing could learn a helluva lot from it.

jbizzle · Post by **jbizzle** » 28 Jul 2011, 05:04

It's a tough fight for barker, but if u want to be the best u have to beat the best so fair play 2 him for testing himself. I do believe tho that he would of beat sturm had he been given the chance as he is better than macklin. Warren has done well to stop this fight from happpening and getting in at the 'weaker' champion first.

Matchroom and hatton are a breath of fresh air. They giv fighters what the want regardless of what the outcome may be. U kno what u get with warren padded records and a slow rise to the top.

Good luck Darren barker!

twenty six · Post by **twenty six** » 28 Jul 2011, 05:42

I guess he'll be advising Mitchell not to take the Rios fight then.

NazNaci1 · Post by **NazNaci1** » 28 Jul 2011, 10:25

Adamj1987 wrote:warren needs to take a leaf from spence fearon's hardknocks and do more 50/50 fights at least on the undercard if he still wants to build a cash cow

colin lynes vs Brian rose would a 50/50 fight for me

Fw@nk doesn't like 50/50 fights, for obvious reasons. It's all about the 'short term' investment, pad the records, wait for the weak champ, win the title and then milk it with some home defences. Get some money out of it, for him and his fighter and that's basically it. His tried and trusted formula.

Thing is, with his contacts & financial clout, he could do so much more that would earn himself more money and give the fans far more entertainment.

Eddie Hearn has the right idea, as does Hatton. This is boxing, its about the best fighting the best, if your successful, the money and prestige will come.

If Barker beat Martinez, just think, how much prestige and stronger financial position, he would put himself in? Even if he does not, he is fighting the No1, a worldwide name. Putting in a good performance, regardless, is worth far more than beating, say a Macklin.

Warren is still of the mindset people love to see unbeaten fighters vs shit fighters, blown up fighters, losing fighters. Maybe SKY were gullible like that years ago, I am not so sure they are that easily convinced, these days.

You match fighters tougher as they go, they learn, suffer may a loss or 2 maybe, but they get better and when they do reach the top, they stay there. Then the money and the recognition comes.

People have become accustomed to the way Fw@nk does things and view any other way as suicidal. That's what has damaged boxing in this country, amongst other things, of course.

Jon Saxon · Post by **Jon Saxon** » 28 Jul 2011, 12:40

Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt
Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt
Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt
Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt
Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt
Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt
Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt
Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt
Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe TERRY MARSH Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt
Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt
Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt
Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt
Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt
Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt
Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt
Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt Pay Joe Calzaghe you c*unt

JimJim2009 · Post by **JimJim2009** » 28 Jul 2011, 13:41

Deserter wrote:
Jeff Thomas wrote:empty seats are a perfect indication that boxing as a spectacle is losing it's appeal to the masses.
One of the biggest issues for me is that boxing promoters can't seem to grasp that a live event has to be an experience and it's not enough to rely on the core product while neglecting other areas.
Do you think everyone who goes to Aintree, for example, is a hardcore horse racing fan? Do you think the numbers attending Take That's tour would be the same if it was just the five of them on stage with microphones?
The reality is that in this day and age, those live events that are not just surviving, but thriving, are those who've worked out they have to create an experience for the attendees and that extends to every aspect. I've been to a live UFC event, and the main event fights were boring, but the investment in the A/V and the infrastructure was second-to-none so it was still an amazing night out. By contrast, as much as I love boxing I've had some shocking experiences. For example I paid good money for outer ringside seats at Cardiff ice Rink for Calzaghe against Mger M (can't even begin to remember how to spell his surname!), but the view was crap, and there was zero added value in terms of big screens, good sound system, decent programmes, food & beverage etc, etc, etc.
There's a real lack of investment in the product and a reliance on the core proposition alone to shift tickets and that's just short-sighted and can alienate potential non-hardcore attendees.

Typical?

Re: Typical?

Re: Typical?

Re: Typical?

Re: Typical?

Re: Typical?

Re: Typical?

Re: Typical?

Re: Typical?

Re: Typical?

Re: Typical?

Re: Typical?

Re: Typical?

Re: Typical?

Re: Typical?

Re: Typical?